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Hard or soft brexit?

What is "hard" Brexit and what is "soft" Brexit?
 
Soft brexit would allow the uk access to europes single market to trade but would result in the free movement of people into the uk from other European countries. Hard brexit - no trade deal and no movement of people into the uk
 
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Colonel Minion said:
What is "hard" Brexit and what is "soft" Brexit?
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Hard Brexit is basically what we're going for because the Tories have zero plans and zero friends in Europe right now and May is desperate to look like Thatcher when really she's a bumbling mess. It basically means we lose all our trade with Europe.

Soft Brexit will essentially be the EU membership we already had but without any funding or say in the EU. We'd likely have to accept more loose and open borders via negotiation for us to have access to this deal and the single market.

To answer Mareep's question, I'm really note sure what would be best now. Financially the soft Brexit will absolutely be best but the Sun and the other tosspot rags have spent so long firing up anti immigration sentiment within the poor of Britain that anything that would lead to more immigration right now would probably incite violence. A hard brexit will leave the vast majority who voted leave in the financial toilet and whilst some of them deserve it for their ridiculous rhetoric, lies and fear mongering, most do not.

Really, any other Prime Minister in British history (Even Thatcher and Blair) would be a blessing right now because whatever deal we get, it's going to be the worst incarnation of said deal possible because of the current Govt.

A hard Brexit could only be beneficial under Corbyn's proposed rejuvenation of British industry which we'll never see under Tory or the current PLP because it would mean the rich being a bit worse off.
 
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To all my British friends, I encourage you to round up all your savings and exchange them for dollars before tomorrow's speech from May, because the fall in the pound is going to be as hard as the Brexit she announces.
 
We're screwed 100% either way. I'd LOVE to see what the vote would be now if it was ran again, because the majority of the people for voted 'leave', don't have the capacity to look forward and see how it'll actually affect the country, instead of "HUR HUR IMMAGRANTS COMING STEEELING OUT JBS".

Yes, I'm still annoyed.​
 
Captain Fabio said:
We're screwed 100% either way. I'd LOVE to see what the vote would be now if it was ran again, because the majority of the people for voted 'leave', don't have the capacity to look forward and see how it'll actually affect the country, instead of "HUR HUR IMMAGRANTS COMING STEEELING OUT JBS".

Yes, I'm still annoyed.​
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It's dangerously naive and short sighted to dismiss the millions who voted leave as simpletons who only cared about the immigration myth. Many were under the illusion we were getting financially ripped off, that our laws were being changed by a technocratic boogeyman on the continent and that our infrastructure was failing because of too high demand as opposed to deliberate under funding by the Government. The working class of Britain got thrown under the bus by Blair's bastardisation of Labour in favour of the middle class and they are now desperate and bitter. It doesn't make them idiots because they fell into a very long winded and financially backed campaign by the right wing media like so many others have before them and others likely will after.

I mean yes, it's frustrating. I find it hugely frustrating that people believed someone like Gove on his NHS pledges, it's frustrating people believed the paper that is caught lying weekly about made up statistics, but we won't be mobilising any kind of fight back if we're going to infer a great majority of them are dum dums.
 
Hands said:
It's dangerously naive and short sighted to dismiss the millions who voted leave as simpletons who only cared about the immigration myth. Many were under the illusion we were getting financially ripped off, that our laws were being changed by a technocratic boogeyman on the continent and that our infrastructure was failing because of too high demand as opposed to deliberate under funding by the Government. The working class of Britain got thrown under the bus by Blair's bastardisation of Labour in favour of the middle class and they are now desperate and bitter. It doesn't make them idiots because they fell into a very long winded and financially backed campaign by the right wing media like so many others have before them and others likely will after.

I mean yes, it's frustrating. I find it hugely frustrating that people believed someone like Gove on his NHS pledges, it's frustrating people believed the paper that is caught lying weekly about made up statistics, but we won't be mobilising any kind of fight back if we're going to infer a great majority of them are dum dums.
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While it appears to be 'dangerously naive and short sighted', it was a huge part of why people voted leave, but obviously not the sole reason. The £140 Million, or there about, that was promised to be pushed directly into the NHS from EU membership was one of the biggest lies told during the voting campaign. It was obvious, and should have been to others, that that mass amount of money wasn't going to just magically find itself funnelled into the NHS.
The Blair administration did screw over the lower class and that hasn't really been fixed. While the working class have been treated like crap, self suicide shouldn't have been the choice, as it hits the working class, arguably, the hardest. Prices of basic foods like milk, bread, so on are expected to keep slowly going up. Cost of holidays have sky rocketed, due to the Sterling plummeting and still fluctuating to this day.

The media obviously has a massive impact, as it always does. This is why I don't pay attention to these heavily bias media outlets because they are just that, heavily bias. I don't understand in 2016/7, how we can be so gullible to listen to these. All you need to do is conduct minimal research and it shows this.

Idiots is indeed a strong term and throwing everyone under that one word is short sighted, so I'm wrong to originally say that, but it's very difficult not to use that word. It's not the 'Brexiters' total fault, as they were mislead and used as scapegoats for another agenda, but at the same time, it is their fault for listening and expecting these MPs and sources to follow through and be truthful, as I'm yet to see an actual truthful MP, who had the power to change things, in the past decade.​
 
Captain Fabio said:
While it appears to be 'dangerously naive and short sighted', it was a huge part of why people voted leave, but obviously not the sole reason. The £140 Million, or there about, that was promised to be pushed directly into the NHS from EU membership was one of the biggest lies told during the voting campaign. It was obvious, and should have been to others, that that mass amount of money wasn't going to just magically find itself funnelled into the NHS.
The Blair administration did screw over the lower class and that hasn't really been fixed. While the working class have been treated like crap, self suicide shouldn't have been the choice, as it hits the working class, arguably, the hardest. Prices of basic foods like milk, bread, so on are expected to keep slowly going up. Cost of holidays have sky rocketed, due to the Sterling plummeting and still fluctuating to this day.

The media obviously has a massive impact, as it always does. This is why I don't pay attention to these heavily bias media outlets because they are just that, heavily bias. I don't understand in 2016/7, how we can be so gullible to listen to these. All you need to do is conduct minimal research and it shows this.

Idiots is indeed a strong term and throwing everyone under that one word is short sighted, so I'm wrong to originally say that, but it's very difficult not to use that word. It's not the 'Brexiters' total fault, as they were mislead and used as scapegoats for another agenda, but at the same time, it is their fault for listening and expecting these MPs and sources to follow through and be truthful, as I'm yet to see an actual truthful MP, who had the power to change things, in the past decade.​
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It was 350mil which is arguably a lot worse that people believed it but they did. A lot of older people were raised to believe the papers had to tell the truth and that if it was in the paper it had to be true. It's not anything to do with intelligence, it's a social construct with them. This is why you have people who genuinely believe Jeremy Corbyn is a communist who dances on the graves of soldiers. If you want someone to blame then really Murdoch and his cronies are the most deserving. No one legitimately voted for Leave thinking we'd be in the mess we're in now, never mind the one we're heading for. Unfortunately the working class have been broken to the point they no longer can tell the snake from the rope when it comes to climbing out of this hole. Of course, there are idiots and racists who voted Brexit, but I know racists who voted remain too to protect their holiday costs.

I know it's not the same kettle of fish, but the leave vote isn't a million miles away from the tactics Hitler used to win the public over. If you want to change the rut we're in there's really only one sensible option to back, and that's Mr Corbyn. He's also the man currently best suited to sail this sinking ship through the Brexit storm.
 
I voted remain. The statistics the leave campaign churned out was utter nonsense. However I don't think the remain campaign did enough to gain votes. They simply weren't passionate enough. I think they underestimated the feeling amongst the majority of the public and thought that they would sneak the win. It's massively backfired on them now and instead of taking the lead they have dilly dallied in these negotiations. This is the time to make purposeful decisions, but they appear indecisive. I dread to think the legislation they will push through....
 
Mareep123 said:
I voted remain. The statistics the leave campaign churned out was utter nonsense. However I don't think the remain campaign did enough to gain votes. They simply weren't passionate enough. I think they underestimated the feeling amongst the majority of the public and thought that they would sneak the win. It's massively backfired on them now and instead of taking the lead they have dilly dallied in these negotiations. This is the time to make purposeful decisions, but they appear indecisive. I dread to think the legislation they will push through....
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It's deliberate. When the Tories were in chaos what did Labour do? Bolster behind their democratically elected leader and smash through? Of course not, they launched an undemocratic coup and rebellion against the party membership who had to vote for their leader again. No wonder the public have lost faith in us. We could of taken this mess by the horns and instead we banned 180,000 members, a lot of them new, from the party and told 360,000 that their votes didn't count. It's despicable really.
 
If I lived in the UK, and If I was old enough to vote, I would have voted to stay. Now the other countries are talking about leaving, and there's a huge mess :/
 
I find it scary how similar the situations that led up to Brexit are to the situations that led to Donald Trump's election in my country.

The working class got screwed over in a lot of areas in the country, but they voted to shoot themselves in the foot over vague promises and lies rather than exercising common sense or even adequate empathy towards people who aren't white Christians.

Sadly, I'd rather have May than Trump.
 
May will personally crush the EU guys, better agree to everything she demands

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