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HMs - Hidden Moves

Tropical Sunlight

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    HMs or Hidden Machines.
    They can only be used when a respective Gym leader has been defeated, but they can be taught to Pokemon countless times.

    What's your favourite?
    What would you like to see in future games?
    Do you also hate Flash and Defog?

    Discuss~
     
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    What's your favourite? = fly..it greatly reduces your work and time and is a pretty usefull move in battle too

    What would you like to see in future games? = IDK...we already have like 8 HM's. maybe something like ski to climb up and down snowy mountains.

    Do you also hate Flash and Defog? = i never use them so NO
     
    I like surf, because it gives you access to all kinds of cities and fun things (:

    I would like to see something that would let you jump, like over large rocks and other nonsense that pops up from time to time.
     
    I know its meant to be a game mechanic used for competitive battling, etc. But I would like to see a game where a flying pokemon like Charizard can learn fly naturally or water pokemon can automatically know how to swim so therefore can know Surf. I've never been a big fan of the anime using game mechanics and I hope they don't bring TMs/HMs in the anime either.
     
    Surf, Fly, and Strength. They all have a good amount of power and are really useful outside of play.
     
    My favorites are Surf and Waterfall. They both are great moves as well as useful HMs.

    I hate Rock Smash. Weak and low power, even after DPPt's increase to 40 power. The 50% defense cut is hardly worth it.

    I want to see an HM that lets us jump up those annoying little cliff things.
     
    I want to see it where they scrap HMs, turn them into tms, and pokemon can do things naturally.

    For example:

    Tentacruel can carry you across water, but doesn't have the strength needed to carry you up waterfalls, which Feraligatr has.
    Charizard, and other big fliers, can use fly.

    Lol, therefore my Dragonite would be all I need, as the only HM it can't learn is Rock Climb!
     
    My favorite HMs are Surf and Fly as I find that both are most useful and are still powerful .

    As for new future Hms I would like no more but to change it so that suitable Pokémon have it naturally and doesnt effect the four moves .

    I dislike Defog because its a waste really imo . Foggy areas are just annoying and make you give up a move for Defog .
     
    I love Surf and Fly, both in and out of the game, really powerful, and Fly saves you a handful of time. xD

    I HATE Defog and Rock Smash. Both suck in both battles and out. xD
     
    Surf is the best for in battle.

    Fly is the best in the field.

    I'm glad they upped the power of fly, but the two turn attack makes it useless for competitive battle! If only there were some way of ommiting the skipped turn. I'm just sick of dipping into my PC box every time I want to go somewhere.

    Flash and Defog are both terrible! If only they'd made flash some kind of cool electric type attack (like an electric type vacuum wave) and defog a useful move that cleared all stat changes or something (like haze).
     
    HM actually stands for 'hidden machine', not move; where as TM is technical machine.

    I like waterfall in battle, fly in the field. I don't mind flash (never played a game with defog) but I never really liked it either, as anyone would say it's generally a waste of space for one or two caves you'll probably only ever enter once.
    First time I played Red I went through Rock Tunnel without any external maps nor flash; I only found at the end of the game that you could get it at that house near Pewter, which is AFTER getting cut... I guess they assumed I'd actually want to go through Diglett Cave.
    I'd rather see only the original five in new games, for me at least it started to get a bit hectic even at gen II.
     
    Cassino said:
    HM actually stands for 'hidden machine', not move; where as TM is technical machine.

    I like waterfall in battle, fly in the field. I don't mind flash (never played a game with defog) but I never really liked it either, as anyone would say it's generally a waste of space. First time I played Red I went through Rock Tunnel without any external maps nor flash; I only found at the end of the game that you could get it at that house near Pewter, which is AFTER getting cut... I guess they assumed I'd actually want to go through Diglett Cave.
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    Lol, that's so true! That's what I did on my first play through blue version!
     
    I'm a proponent of what others are saying in this thread. I shouldn't have to teach my Pidgeot "fly" and I shouldn't heave to teach my Lapras to "surf". But, with that said, those ARE my two favorite HMs because they greatly expand what is available to you in the game in terms of area to explore and whatnot.
     
    I really adore Waterfall. It's a cute move and is fairly powerful. I've never used flash or defog because I feel that both are a waste
     
    Surf and Fly. Surf has always been a nice strong utility attack, and nothing beats the convenience of Fly. Fly is decent in battle, though I don't like the two-turn aspect of it.
     
    As HM's are known to be mostly game-specific, it's not really discussing Pokemon in general, but more about Pokemon gaming in general so I'll move it to General Pokemon Gaming for you.
     
    My favorite is probably Cut. I dunno why, guess I kinda like Iaijustu (which, given the Japanese name, is where the move comes from), and it reminds me of the sword attack animations from other RPGs. Strength is also pretty neat.

    Flash I like because it drops accuracy, but I dislike Defog because it's useless.

    As for ones I'd like to see in future games, I'm unsure of. Perhaps one that freezes water to make platforms of ice? There are too many Normal-type HMs IMHO.
     
    My favorite HM would be Dive, it was too awesome to be underwater.
    Using Whirlpool in heart gold is too cool, Waterfall and Rock Climb I love too.

    I strongly hate rock smash, flash, and defog xD WEven tho Whirlpool in battle sucks too.

    I remember the times in Red and Blue where the false rumors said that the man in Cinnabar Gym´s roof would give you the HM06 Jump if you reached him xD Totally false. I did try it a few times tho.
     
    What's your favourite?
    In battle: Waterfall and Surf
    Outside of battle: Fly

    What would you like to see in future games?
    Not sure about that, but I'd like to see Dig as an HM? =B

    Do you also hate Flash and Defog?
    No, I find them pretty useful, but I prefer Flash because of its higher PP.
     
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