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Suggestion: How about Democracy?

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I vote nay as well. I've never had any problems with mods. They keep the forums clean and have always been reasonable about requests and dealing with things here, they're never rude or anything when they request stuff of people and are quite generous when it comes to giveaways and making deals or trades in the pokemon games themselves. They always offered me legitimate insight on all things pokemon and PC related. The only people I've had problems with for being rude are other members and some "PC supporters" I think they're called. I'm not gonna put anyone on blast because this community is built off of fellowship and shared passion for video games, pokemon in particular.

Keep up the good work mods, I love you =] just kidding... Not really I really do love you for your dedication to PC and it's members

-Sider
 
@MegaIndianCharizardX (and all others who think a democratic system is a good idea) - This last little while you have simply been trying to create a system that works with you want instead of looking at why this current system may be better.

Not to be too blunt but here are some pretty good reasons (I think so anyway) that your method would end badly

1. All of your rules and sub-clauses that you want to implement are unnecessarily complicated whilst the current system is far simpler and yet still effective. There's no need to switch to a more complicated system when the current one is already working fine. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

2. As has been stated, it would just end up as a popularity contest resulting in a situation in which
a) We end up with popular member who do not have the skills, time or reliability to run a forum in a position of power.

b) Everyone votes for their closest friends on here resulting in very few votes going to all members who participate in voting. This could leave us with ties between several members (potentially going into the hundreds) resulting in sections with no moderators at all. To fix this, higher staff would have to step in and make the decision and if they're going to end up doing that anyway I don't see why we don't cut out the middle man and just leave things the way they are.​

3. You're going to get a lot of members who cause trouble because they will view it (correctly) as a popularity contest with disastrous results or because they are butthurt at not being chosen.

4. The current mods are doing a fantastic job already. There are very few people with problems with any of them and really the majority of those people with issues just need to remember that mods are humans. They are not emotionless machines and if you make them angry, chances are they're going to make that anger known. That's human nature, you can only push people so far even if they are in positions of power.

5. The mods are already popular members. It is highly likely that the the elected mods in your system would be those who are already mods now or who were staff members who were demoted or stepped down before.

Simply put, a democracy on this site would be far less effective than our current system. The only reasons I see for the implementing of a democratic system are
1. We want more of a say in what happens around here and
2. It would be fun.

At least the first point is somewhat valid, but really we do get plenty of a say. Mods routinely poll to see how people are liking the current way things are run in their forum (there's one running in pokemon voting polls right now for example) and in case nobody noticed we're currently posting in a forum that solely exists to house feedback and suggestions from the memberbase staff or otherwise. There's already somewhere for us regular members to be heard and most of the staff I have spoken to would be open to hearing your suggestions via PM anyway.

As for that second point, people in positions of power should not ever be chosen in a way that is fun. Even on a friendly forum like this where staff are not paid and we get to join for free choosing people with authority over the rest of us is something that should be taken seriously and considered by people who know what they're talking about. Considering everything that could go wrong "because it would be fun" is just not going to cut it as Went has said repeatedly.
 
Why don't we just put up a poll or something for this idea somewhere and leave it at that.
This is turning into some weird debate.
Also,
Ever heard of the electoral college? Put that into play somehow.
 
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Ever heard of the electoral college? Put that into play somehow.

Yeah, that's an anachronic second-level elective body that nowadays serves no other purpose than to make US elections more complex than they should be and less democratic, as they cause millions of people to not vote as their votes won't count zilch in the great scheme of things. As if a simple regular one-person-one-vote system didn't need enough rules as it is, let's make it even more confusing still.

Really, all I want is somebody to tell me what mod elections would accomplish, other than "being fun".
 
When you think about it, PC is already semi-democratic. We may not elect our moderators, but if we have a problem with something, we can bring it up with them, others can chime in on that subject, and the leaders (moderators and h-staff, but more h-staff) can work towards a solution. A democracy works like chain links, each part supporting the next. And PC runs very similarly. It's just ever-so-slighly modified for a much smaller scale.
PC's more of an oligarchy than a democracy (even in the loosest of terms). Members' opinions are valued to help the deciding members make their decisions, but ultimately their opinions are the ones who shape the forum. We're just support.
 
This thread is still alive?

What is said in the privacy policy is: "the pokecommunity.com site is a non-commercial, "hobby-based" fan web site and all actions performed on this site, about this site, or any related activity, reflects that fact." Point is, I feel weird trying to define PC as a "democracy" or "oligarchy". We're not a state. We're not a political or profiting organisation, or even a school council. (I feel like I'm echoing someone here, hm) We're just a hobby site owned by a guy in America with a need of a few willing people who can accept more responsibility for what's going on here than most others: some kind of staff. PC already listens A LOT to their members, and I love seeing new suggestions popping up in CQ&F. But not all suggestions are great, naturally.

I typed up a long post with arguments and descriptions here, but sod it. Bottom line is, I don't want to come here to do a campaign and promote myself, I come here to nerd out about pokémon and chat with friends, okay :(
 
I think enough has been said. We're a non-profit, non-political, and non-obtrusive community. We do not demand monetary value in return for use of our service. We, as staff, are volunteers for a privately owned website. There is no financial gain on our front, and the staff chosen on this website stem from its owners choices; Rukario. Members shape the community every day, that is important. But bring in a "democracy", and once more politics intrude upon somewhere they do not belong, such as this community.

On that note, and all the fantastic points put above, I'm going to close this one. Thank you for your suggestion, however such a political idea wouldn't fit in with our welcoming atmosphere. Have a nice day, and thank you all for your input, if anything it will give us insight for further decisions.

Locked.
 
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