Lati@s

https://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=118170&page=10

^ there, now all of you go put your opinion on the controversals.

Anyway on topic about the Lati's.
I think Latios would make a bigger impact on the metagame, Latias would be a cool tankish pocket monster to tinker around with. Whom do you all think would become more centralizing? Os or As?

I'm still on the fence with the Lati's. Even though tournaments can't honestly give accurate information, I think it would still be nice to see the results on the upcoming Lati tournament here.
 
I find it frivolous to depend on a few members of the community, while they may be experienced in pokemon, the opinion of a few members would not be accurate in the long run.

While this may seem elitist, I strongly feel that the community is strongly biased toward a certain opinion. A good example is Wobbuffet. The whole community is strongly biased against Wobbuffet, even if they do not have good statements to back it up. The best way is to analyse statistics that would prove the overcentralisation of a pokemon in the metagame. Wobb should be banned? Tough luck, the statistics don't say so.
 
Nice, but why does peoples keep bringing up Wobby & Garchomps? Wobby is debatable, and Garchomp is clearly uber as it is superior to OU and UU. The more important thing is the Lati@s, whom i think are clearly fit for OU, and would just be at the stronger end of the ability scale, with all other dragons & T-tar etc. The prblem is people who don't want to face strong pokes, but as far as i can see, if you're one of those, go UU, as they are usually weaker (although some are quite good if you play them right). And everyone who says they would bring more variety to the game has an outstanding point, as there aren't really any specific Dragon Walls, although Dragonite with the right nature could be one, and most Dragons are mainly physical, unlike Latios, who is a special attacker, and more like the psychic side of his family. So, realy they would make the game more exciting, and are cool as.
 
kiddo999 said:
Nice, but why does peoples keep bringing up Wobby & Garchomps? Wobby is debatable, and Garchomp is clearly uber as it is superior to OU and UU. The more important thing is the Lati@s, whom i think are clearly fit for OU, and would just be at the stronger end of the ability scale, with all other dragons & T-tar etc. The prblem is people who don't want to face strong pokes, but as far as i can see, if you're one of those, go UU, as they are usually weaker (although some are quite good if you play them right). And everyone who says they would bring more variety to the game has an outstanding point, as there aren't really any specific Dragon Walls, although Dragonite with the right nature could be one, and most Dragons are mainly physical, unlike Latios, who is a special attacker, and more like the psychic side of his family. So, realy they would make the game more exciting, and are cool as.
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Garchomp is still debateable and so far I don't see many good points for its exclusion from OU, other than "test it and we'll see the results".

Latios' sets are inferior to the common dragons and is generally outclassed by Salamence due to the lack of a fire move. I don't see Latios having a negative impact on the metagame except people would run more Bronzongs/Metagrosses or something.
Latias hasn't been extensively tested but it would be a Cresselia with more SpA (and Draco Meteor =D) if it were to run a special walling set, and would be inferior if it ran Latios' offensive sets.

UU is meant to create a balanced metagame for the lower tier pokemon to function in. It is not a tier for "weak pokemon" or "I don't want to face strong pokemons". People play UU for added fun of playing with pokemon that would otherwise be unviable in OU.

I strongly feel that the reason why people would unban Lati@s is because of the advent of a new metagame, and therefore they cannot go by the rules of the old standard as Advance is very different from D/P. It is not to add variety in the choices of pokemon as almost all the sets are inferior to current OU pokemon one way or another. Physical Pursuit and stuff like that nerf Lati@s in D/P, so they are being considered for unbanning.

No Dragon Walls? Noone remembers BulkyMence =(

Dragons are not suited to be walls due to their stats being catered to the offensive rather than defensive and common Ice Beam weakness hurts a lot.

Unbanning Lati@s would not add more variety to the game, neither will it see the advent of a new fearsome Special Attacker Dragon (which is vastly inferior to Salamence =*) It is just to show that Advance rules do not neccessarily apply in D/P, and to correct any wrongs in the tier list. So far, Smogon has suggested ditching the BL list altogether and starting from scratch, because of the massive changes that D/P brought.

(BTW, the Psychic type got seriously nerfed in D/P)
 
How can you see if Lati@s holds the Dew in battle ? It's awful that we can't at first sight.
I think Lati@s should be OU. Weavile's STAB moves are super-effective on their average defense, and they can't run, they'll be Pursuited. TTar is immune to Psychic and can switch on a Specs Psychic, DD up and proceed to sweep Lati@s~. If they run, one more DD up. If they don't run, it'll be 6 dd's up. Big dilemma. Blissey with Calm Mind or Psych Up enjoys Ice Beaming that Calm Mind Lati@s. Scizor can Pursuit or XScissor them with impunity, and doesn't take much from Psychic and Dragon Pulse; he has only to be afraid of the occasional HP Fire. Even CB Honchkrow is immune to Psychic and can Sucker Punch their face. Spiritomb is immue to Psychic and to the occasional HP Fighting, and murders seriously Lati@s with Pursuit + Sucker Punch, but you have to be careful with Dragon Pulse. Heck, that's only some counters.Lati@sare 2HKO'd by almost any good sweeper.
 
Dani_X said:
How can you see if Lati@s holds the Dew in battle ? It's awful that we can't at first sight.
I think Lati@s should be OU. Weavile's STAB moves are super-effective on their average defense, and they can't run, they'll be Pursuited. TTar is immune to Psychic and can switch on a Specs Psychic, DD up and proceed to sweep Lati@s~. If they run, one more DD up. If they don't run, it'll be 6 dd's up. Big dilemma. Blissey with Calm Mind or Psych Up enjoys Ice Beaming that Calm Mind Lati@s. Scizor can Pursuit or XScissor them with impunity, and doesn't take much from Psychic and Dragon Pulse; he has only to be afraid of the occasional HP Fire. Even CB Honchkrow is immune to Psychic and can Sucker Punch their face. Spiritomb is immue to Psychic and to the occasional HP Fighting, and murders seriously Lati@s with Pursuit + Sucker Punch, but you have to be careful with Dragon Pulse. Heck, that's only some counters.Lati@sare 2HKO'd by almost any good sweeper.
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You can see by the damage.If Blissey got 2HKOed by Draco Meteor (which I think is impossible) then you have the right to say they hold Soul Dew.Although it's true they get 2HKOed by most good sweepers.Although Rhyperior might just prevail in battling them.
 
there are 3 ways to determine if Lati@s has Soul Dew.

1. Damage Calculations. You get blasted away from something that normally doesn't OHKO. Then if your opponent uses a different move, does insane damage, then it's Soul Dew'd. If it switches out, then it's holding Specs most likely. Also, your OHKO-ing Ice Beam does about 75% to even the most bulky of Lati@s. That's a sign of Soul Dew.

2. I know there are extremely trustful members here. Those who use the Soul Dew in an OU tournament will just prove they're noobs anyway, trying to cheat to win, and those people will break the trust of mine (and all of us most likely.)

3. Bring someone with Knock Off. lol that'll determine pretty quickly.
 
lalapizzame said:
You can see by the damage.If Blissey got 2HKOed by Draco Meteor (which I think is impossible) then you have the right to say they hold Soul Dew.Although it's true they get 2HKOed by most good sweepers.Although Rhyperior might just prevail in battling them.
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Rhyperior O_o

Good luck switching that in on Draco meteors =/.

Also Choice Specs grants the same sp.att boost as Soul Dew and DOES NOT 2hko Blissey.

I think it still just out damages specs mence, but not by much.
 
Yeah, Rhyperior can't come in on a Draco Meteor, but it can come in on a Thunderbolt or physical sets. Everything else...nah, not likely.

Latios may run 1 of these 3 items about 95% of the time: Choice Specs, Choice Scarf, and Life Orb. I'd expect the Life Orb sets to run Recover.

Latias would run more defensive things like Leftovers, but Life Orb may be an option.
 
Well It isn't easy know when the Lati@s have the Soul Dew, the easist way is Damage calculations. If you know that he have Soul Dew, you may D/C. It's like D/C when someone breaks the Sleep clause, maybe this is the Lati@s Clause...
 
Cloud_85 said:
Well It isn't easy know when the Lati@s have the Soul Dew, the easist way is Damage calculations. If you know that he have Soul Dew, you may D/C. It's like D/C when someone breaks the Sleep clause, maybe this is the Lati@s Clause...
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Actually no it isn't.Knocking Off items is the easiest since you see the name of the item you just knocked off of the Lati@s.
 
I know it may seem stupid to say this, but using a pokemon with Frisk is another way to check Lati@s for its item. The only two pokemon with Frisk are Stantler and Banette, both that are basically unusable in OU.
 
Interesting...

I actually think Litias is going to do better than Latios. Latios has to compete with Salamence and other dragons for slots and it is generally pretty obvious as to what's coming. It's kind of like a special Garchomp (kind of...I'll explain later). I've recently become less adamant on my opinions with both Garchomp and Wobbuffet....so yeah, I'm going to REALLY withhold my judgment on this.

As for Latias, the only pokemon really similar to it at all is Cresselia, who is used for countering different things and typing differences set them apart quite a bit (not to mention Latias' superior recovery options). Latias can pass Wish and do a lot of things that no other pokemon can do.

At this point, I actually think Latias might have more of an impact because we haven't seen other things like it before.

BTW, I saw somebody mentioning that Toxic Blissey beats Latios, and I object to that. Substitute says hi.

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lalapizzame said:
Actually no it isn't.Knocking Off items is the easiest since you see the name of the item you just knocked off of the Lati@s.
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IF you survive two hits.
 
Latias has little or no competition. The usual wishpassers, Umbreon, Vaporeon, and Blissey, are outclassed by Latias because she has varied coverage that doesn't require Hidden powers to do, and she hits amazingly hard. Her 80 base HP hurts her a little (if it was 90, then that'd be pretty cool.) She also comes with some good resistances, but bad weaknesses at the same time.

Latios, on the other hand, has competition everywhere, as you can see.

And with Knock Off, you can hit with it on the eon's switch-in.
 
sure, latios has competition, but i think you guys are forgetting that it has 110 base speed + dragon dance. that outclasses everyone except for dragonite who has agility, but relies on dragon dance anyway. given max speed and enough hp evs, it can survive a hit and go for the 2HKO AFTER one dragon dance. even scarf chomp can't handle that.

in that case, CB sets on dragons would be a new thing, but they would extremely limit dragons. that's quite a change in the metagame if you ask me.

EDIT: also, i just thought how good choice specs glaceon would be against it XD
 
? It says Samson posted here, but I do't see anything. Is this a glitch?
 
It's there now.

Well, Glaceon is normally damaged by STAB moves, but getting it in to surive 2 hits is gonna be hard. However, I can see nearly 600 sp.atk hitting it for a lot.
 
well it's not about it surviving 2 hits. it's about it coming in after latios raeped one of its team members, taking one hit and finishing it off.
 
Of course, make sure Blissey or Snorlax are dead because they'll absorb Ice Beams like nothing.
 
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