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LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transexual) anyone?

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Feign said:
It might be more beneficial for example, if there was a gay person in a religious family, the whole conflicts there...
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Well I agree, it would be beneficial to hear that, but every time somebody who knows what it's like (like Envy for example) tries to speak about it, everybody decides it's time for a bible fight and nobody listens.

It would best just to acknowledge that there will never be a consensus on the subject and move on. After all we're only re-hashing the same old arguments again and again.

So Feign, you were saying about Canada? What's the story there? (For us Europeans who know nothing of the Americas) ^_^'
 
Porygon-Z said:
Well I agree, it would be beneficial to hear that, but every time somebody who knows what it's like (like Envy for example) tries to speak about it, everybody decides it's time for a bible fight and nobody listens.

It would best just to acknowledge that there will never be a consensus on the subject and move on. After all we're only re-hashing the same old arguments again and again.

So Feign, you were saying about Canada? What's the story there? (For us Europeans who know nothing of the Americas) ^_^'
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Canada is basically like every other European country, only with a North American accent (American accent.) But they spell a few words differently and say some words differently. Not many.

So yeah.

Canada = Most of Europe > All

A fun sport in Canada, because it borders with the US, is "America-watching" where you just watch the US plunge itself into an economic and social sink hole. :]
 
.little monster said:
Canada is basically like every other European country, only with a North American accent (American accent.) But they spell a few words differently and say some words differently. Not many.

So yeah.

Canada = Most of Europe > All

A fun sport in Canada, because it borders with the US, is "America-watching" where you just watch the US plunge itself into an economic and social sink hole. :]
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And you get to giggle that it's a birthright in the US to own a gun, but not to have good health XD
 
Ah well, among other things, a gay couple (who can marry of course), can also adopt a child, without a problem. There is some other smaller stuff. I even remember the American government reallowing gay people to go into the military recently. In Canada, they made sure of that in about 94, I think it was.
 
Well, from what I've heard, Canada seems like the better place overall.

Wow. I nearly put 'Canadia' then. Epic fail on my part :/
 
What I hate about Christianity is that some people who are christian are so dang homophobic. It does say in the bible to be tolerant of others, even of the 'Gentiles', Jesus did not scorn them, he merely sought to teach them.

I also don't like how some parts of the bible denounces homosexuality, yet it occurs in the animal kingdom on occasions (according to studies). It doesn't seem right to me.
 
Pachy said:
I also don't like how some parts of the bible denounces homosexuality, yet it occurs in the animal kingdom on occasions (according to studies). It doesn't seem right to me.
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Animals do a lot of stuff unproper for humans, keep in mind.
 
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Pachy said:
Are you saying they do it more often than my previous post admitted?
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No, I'm saying you can't say something is right or wrong based on animal's behaviour.
 
In law, and common morality, you'd be right.

However, if homosexual attraction is indeed a rare natural urge, then why does it exist? Surely God wouldn't install that into anything he created.
 
Pachy said:
In law, and common morality, you'd be right.

However, if homosexual attraction is indeed a rare natural urge, then why does it exist? Surely God wouldn't install that into anything he created.
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Maybe you wonder it because you have a misconception of god.
 
I've always wanted to be Canadian. Every American who travels knows that when the US does something stupid you bring out the Canadian flag and pretend you're really from Vancouver or Montreal.

But yeah, Canada is like the cooler (pun intended) version of the US. It's great that they allow same sex marriage, adoption, and everything else which we should have down here in the states, but from what I read they're completely silent on gender identity issues. I guess that's better than outright discrimination though. Yay Canada! You (mostly) rule!
 
Throat said:
Animals do a lot of stuff unproper for humans, keep in mind.
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Such as what? Being naked in public?

It was natural for us too before we built social constructs to limit our own freedoms. That's not even any "god's" fault, that's ours.
 
pokejungle said:

Such as what? Being naked in public?

It was natural for us too before we built social constructs to limit our own freedoms. That's not even any "god's" fault, that's ours.
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Exactly my point. Humans created the darn stupid taboos in the first place. >O
 
Porygon-Z said:
Argh!! Can we please stop this endless debate about religion?! Why don't we start a new thread called "Are the homo's going to hell?" and keep it in there?!
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I greatly prefer religious debates over "lololol this guy i saw was hot :3" which is what this thread devolved into many pages ago. >_>; At least this garners discussion, even if you can have the exact same discussion in two other threads in OC. orz.
Scarf said:
But yeah, Canada is like the cooler (pun intended) version of the US. It's great that they allow same sex marriage, adoption, and everything else which we should have down here in the states, but from what I read they're completely silent on gender identity issues. I guess that's better than outright discrimination though. Yay Canada! You (mostly) rule!
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I think it's just kind of a non-issue. :( It's never really spoken about here because either no one cares or it's just... not a huge, controversial deal. I actually don't know any of the details on it (regarding the national "stance") and I live in Canada. xD; I'm sure one day it'll come up and we'll either approve/disapprove of it on a national scale, but until then, we have other issues to tackle, I guess. :/
 
pokejungle said:

Such as what? Being naked in public?

It was natural for us too before we built social constructs to limit our own freedoms. That's not even any "god's" fault, that's ours.
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You're wrong according to the christian dogmas. There must be religions that accept other things, but christianity isn't the flickest one.

Pachy is trying to justify why she/he thinks homosexualism should be accepted by religions using biological examples, but most of the religions see the humankind as the highest specie and could never be compared to an animal.
 
Well obviously gay marriage in Canada didn't cause the apocalypse right?

EDIT: Throat, that is a good argument on why religion is so silly. OMGZ HUMANS ARE TEH GREATEST. LETZ ABUZE EVERY OTHA' LVIN THING!! DRILL BABY DRILL!!
 
Throat said:
You're wrong according to the christian dogmas. There must be religions that accept other things, but christianity isn't the flickest one.

Pachy is trying to justify why she/he thinks homosexualism should be accepted by religions using biological examples, but most of the religions see the humankind as the highest specie and could never be compared to an animal.
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I happen to disagree with the idea that humans are the highest species. So yeah, that's how I feel. I don't belive that animals are inferior, but I don't think that they have to have rights equal to humans because in most cases they aren't intelligent enough to comprehend 'rights' or communicate anything beyond what their basic needs are. That being said, I would support the rights of any species that could nearly match or exceed human sentience.

If God does create something that is as intelligent as we humans are, or something very close to it, then I'd think they could comprehend religion anyway.
 
Pachy said:
If God does create something that is as intelligent as we humans are, or something very close to it, then I'd think they could comprehend religion anyway.
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I was under the impression that dolphins were considered a lot more intelligent than humans, and they have a better idea of life, too. Frolicking in the ocean and eating loads of fish using genius techniques.

Dolphins don't need religion to get by in life.
And God didn't create humans as higher species because humans evolved that way, and then made up God in order to explain this.

Haven't you ever heard the story of Tony the fish? (this is fictional and evolutionary incorrect but follows the same basic principals):

Tony was the first fish to have feet. The other fish ostracised him for being different, and then suddenly Tony discovered the use of his feet and became the best fish.
At that moment, if Tony could look ahead a few short hundreds of millions of years, he would see an israeli jew by the name of Jesus being nailed to a cross by the very feet Tony gave him for having a sort of schizophrenic discourse with a 'God' who was created by humans to explain the existance of feet in the absence of the knowledge of the existance of Tony.

LINK
 
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