LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transexual) anyone?

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The concept of being prideful of who you were born as only is logical when you are supressed for being who you are. Society says you're a bunch of sinful butt pirates, you say that no matter what people say, you will still have respect in yourself, or be prideful.

That's how I view it.

There is more than one form of pride in my opinion. The pride for who you are, the pride for what you did. Both are seperate in itself.

Yes I see what you mean. I guess it depends what kind of people you are surrounded with and how accepting they are of you.

But does that mean that "Gay Pride" is merely a defense mechanism? (I'm not saying it is, I'm just asking the question!) :p
 
Yes I see what you mean. I guess it depends what kind of people you are surrounded with and how accepting they are of you.

But does that mean that "Gay Pride" is a defense mechanism? (I'm not saying it is, I'm just asking the question!) :p
Well, yeah, I suppose it is. :] Just to show people you cant suppress us.

Although it's a little bit more.
 
Me personally, I never understood gay pride.

If I'm proud of something it should be something I have achieved not something I was born with.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not ashamed of being gay, but at the same time I don't get what is so special about it? I mean nobody has a straight pride march.

Yeah I'm gay, but that's not all there is to me. I wouldn't go on a "blue eyes" pride parade, or a "Blood Type A" pride parade, because those are things I was just born with.

I'm proud of the things I have achieved with my brain and my hard work, not of the things I had no hand in like my genetics or biochemistry.

The concept of being prideful of who you were born as only is logical when you are supressed for being who you are. Society says you're a bunch of sinful butt pirates, you say that no matter what people say, you will still have respect in yourself, or be prideful.

That's how I view it.

There is more than one form of pride in my opinion. The pride for who you are, the pride for what you did. Both are seperate in itself.

Perhaps if so many people's heads weren't lodged inside thier *cough* buttox, there wouldn't be segregated communities based off of race, sexual orientation, birthplace, ethnic group, etc., because, well, everyone of those groups would be in a whole of society, rather than a Venn Diagram of sorts.

Why is it so damn hard for everyone to be like "Okay, whatever, you're gay/black/OMGWHATEVER. It's just Sexual orientaion/Race/IUSOFHIUHSDIUWHATEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR" in the first place?

Another thing;
If each one of us is different than everyone else, then, why aren't people being descriminated severly over how long hair is? The ability to read? How creative you are? How able you are to retain information? hm?
 
Perhaps if so many people's heads weren't lodged inside thier *cough* buttox, there wouldn't be segregated communities based off of race, sexual orientation, birthplace, ethnic group, etc., because, well, everyone of those groups would be in a whole of society, rather than a Venn Diagram of sorts.

Why is it so damn hard for everyone to be like "Okay, whatever, you're gay/black/OMGWHATEVER. It's just Sexual orientaion/Race/IUSOFHIUHSDIUWHATEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR" in the first place?

Another thing;
If each one of us is different than everyone else, then, why aren't people being descriminated severly over how long hair is? The ability to read? How creative you are? How able you are to retain information? hm?
Why did you quote me? ._. I already said everything you just did and gave an explanation to everything. :/
 
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Perhaps if so many people's heads weren't lodged inside thier *cough* buttox, there wouldn't be segregated communities based off of race, sexual orientation, birthplace, ethnic group, etc., because, well, everyone of those groups would be in a whole of society, rather than a Venn Diagram of sorts.

Why is it so damn hard for everyone to be like "Okay, whatever, you're gay/black/OMGWHATEVER. It's just Sexual orientaion/Race/IUSOFHIUHSDIUWHATEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR" in the first place?

Another thing;
If each one of us is different than everyone else, then, why aren't people being descriminated severly over how long hair is? The ability to read? How creative you are? How able you are to retain information? hm?
Hair length doesn't scare people the way sweaty man love does.

And people often choose to segregate themselves in groups because they don't want to be isolated/subsumed by the dominant culture.
 
I'm not going to jump into this debate because I don't see the point in it. It isn't going to do me or anyone else any good to debate the rights of others. But I have a question that someone may be able to answer for me because, unfortunately, I don't understand this.

Why is sexuality such a big deal? So what if you like the opposite, same, both, or no sex at all? Why do people insist on asking others what their sexuality is? Why do they care? It isn't any of their business what sexuality another person is. I don't know about anyone else, but it seems like anything you do these days can have someone assuming something about you. But with that said, why does it matter to them anyway?

I just don't think someone should feel the need to pass their judgment and opinions on others based on their sexuality and thoughts of their sexuality. And then there are those people who ask, someone tells them an answer, and they aren't satisfied with the answer they are given. Those people bother me the most. And those are usually the people who don't even know a thing about the person they're asking and are basing the question just on one simple thing.

Someone mind filling me in? Please don't feel the need to debate any of these questions. They're questions for a reason.
 
Why is sexuality such a big deal? So what if you like the opposite, same, both, or no sex at all? Why do people insist on asking others what their sexuality is?

Gay people like talking to other gay people; at least i do. And there's no other way to tell but to ask.
 
Gay people like talking to other gay people; at least i do. And there's no other way to tell but to ask.
Let's talk more than Hue :3

I dunno, personally it bothers me when people act very flamboyant but claim to be straight.
 
Why is sexuality such a big deal?
When I went to a school dance wearing a dress I didn't think it was such a big deal, but the kids who threw rocks at me sure did.

I mean, I knew I'd be noticed, but you get my point. Other people make it a big deal for you. It's important to know who it's safe to be open with so sometimes you say "Hey, I'm _____. That okay?" or "Are there other _____ people around?"
 
@ Patchisou Yutohru

I imagine one of many reasons has to do with societal beliefs and the norm... At a young age you more or less learn that it is inevitable you will grow up, and marry and have kids, or something to that effect. Throw in a few factors (like being gay) and that throws it out of wack.

Aside from repercussion from deviating from the norm, other things might occur so as for legitimizing the need for such a group thing.
 
Why is sexuality such a big deal? So what if you like the opposite, same, both, or no sex at all? Why do people insist on asking others what their sexuality is? Why do they care? It isn't any of their business what sexuality another person is. I don't know about anyone else, but it seems like anything you do these days can have someone assuming something about you. But with that said, why does it matter to them anyway?

I just don't think someone should feel the need to pass their judgment and opinions on others based on their sexuality and thoughts of their sexuality. And then there are those people who ask, someone tells them an answer, and they aren't satisfied with the answer they are given. Those people bother me the most. And those are usually the people who don't even know a thing about the person they're asking and are basing the question just on one simple thing.

Someone mind filling me in? Please don't feel the need to debate any of these questions. They're questions for a reason.

Welcome to the debate, as this is what my point was 3 pages ago. Thanks for re-typing it for me and agreeing with me. At least someone agrees with me, and they didn't even read my posts.
 
I really didn't intend on replying to anyone who replied to my reply, but it was nice that it got some attention, so I feel the need to reply back to those who took the time to answer my questions.


Let's talk more than Hue :3

I dunno, personally it bothers me when people act very flamboyant but claim to be straight.
But not every straight male is 100% masculine 100% of the time. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with finding people who act flamboyant to be a bad thing because I'm sure one's view on what is flamboyant can be different to someone else. But that's besides the point.

I've grown to learn that if you do one thing that isn't accepted in society to be typically masculine, someone is going to think something is wrong with you and assume it's something regarding your sexuality. Just as how if you're a woman and you do something that's even a little masculine, eyebrows raise. And, of course, the thing they ask themselves first is "Is she a lesbian?" We have nothing but stereotypical gender roles to be blamed for this, however.

But you may have different opinions and a completely different reason for you feeling that way considering the fact that you're on the other side of it.

When I went to a school dance wearing a dress I didn't think it was such a big deal, but the kids who threw rocks at me sure did.

I mean, I knew I'd be noticed, but you get my point. Other people make it a big deal for you. It's important to know who it's safe to be open with so sometimes you say "Hey, I'm _____. That okay?" or "Are there other _____ people around?"

@ Patchisou Yutohru

I imagine one of many reasons has to do with societal beliefs and the norm... At a young age you more or less learn that it is inevitable you will grow up, and marry and have kids, or something to that effect. Throw in a few factors (like being gay) and that throws it out of wack.

Aside from repercussion from deviating from the norm, other things might occur so as for legitimizing the need for such a group thing.
That's what I don't understand. Why do people have to make a big deal out of what another person is doing with their life? Why do they have to make someone else's business their business and put themselves in the middle of it? We shouldn't have to live in a society so dominated by sexuality. So long as it doesn't affect someone, they should have no concern over how you live your life nor have any need or desire to criticize the way you're born. Of course, this clearly isn't the case.

Welcome to the debate, as this is what my point was 3 pages ago. Thanks for re-typing it for me and agreeing with me. At least someone agrees with me, and they didn't even read my posts.
I've been reading your stance on the matter for a while and at first I really didn't understand where you were coming from until you replied a few pages back or so with a rather long reply that most would consider to be a little bit tl;dr, but I'm used to that. It really got me wanting to reply, but I didn't know how. I find it strange how so many people are jumping to a conclusion that you're obviously not trying to make.

I understand where you're coming from and I agree with you on all but one. I'm aware that this thread is for support. Due to society, being any sexual orientation other than straight is not an easiest thing to be in the world. Looking for people you can connect with, which I believe is the point of this thread, not to debate the rights of others or anything that has also been discussed prior to this. It's only natural to look for acceptance of others and people who you can connect with. I don't think the original poster did anything wrong in creating this thread. This thread has managed to become a lot more active and lasted a lot longer than others have in the past and that's rather shocking to me.
 
That's what I don't understand. Why do people have to make a big deal out of what another person is doing with their life? Why do they have to make someone else's business their business and put themselves in the middle of it? We shouldn't have to live in a society so dominated by sexuality. So long as it doesn't affect someone, they should have no concern over how you live your life nor have any need or desire to criticize the way you're born. Of course, this clearly isn't the case.

You'd be stepping into stuff that goes beyond 'being gay' pretty much. XD People take concern with it (or "concern") simply because it is not the norm, something they don't understand or they wish to feed their own ego and belittle the other (or a combination of any of them).

I wonder when we will get in that point in time (and in society) when no prejudices or otherwise, would be placed on another person...

It's kind of like: What is easier, to step on an ant or a mouse? And that there are more mice than ants...

Hmm maybe a bit late for an anology.

Needless to say, I find that a safe environment for a person who is gay etc. would be best for that person (especially in extenuating purposes), wherever that person might be...

I think in general what seems to be the confusion is that while this is an LGBT thread, because it is exclusively that, that the topic of sexualism is rightfully common in here, even if absurdly so (after all everyone is different). Thus it is not to say it should be the focus either... Perhaps another thread in concerns with everyone could be made in regards to a person's sexual feelings, or lack thereof, and to what extent they are controlled by it...
 
You'd be stepping into stuff that goes beyond 'being gay' pretty much. XD People take concern with it (or "concern") simply because it is not the norm, something they don't understand or they wish to feed their own ego and belittle the other (or a combination of any of them).
Though I believe the normal you're referring to is socially normal, or socially accepted, there's no such thing as normal. Everyone in the world is different from the next person, as I'm sure you know well enough by now. There are so many people on this earth, but I can guarantee you that you won't find a single one who is the same as you. Everyone in the world is unique in their own way - that's what makes you you, after all. What people who live by socially acceptable standards need to realize is there's something about them that isn't normal by society, either.

I searched for reasons why people may be uncomfortable with someone they know being gay (because I know there are those people out there who would drop a friend just like that when they told them their sexuality). What I came across is a very interesting point. "We fear things that are different from us because that represents an outsider who might be a threat to our tribe. And we're afraid to be too different for fear that our tribe will oust us." - Jennie Kohl Austin.

Due to this, most people try their whole life to fit in with other people. In the process, they hide who they really are. I applaud all those who accept who they are (sexually, or otherwise) because I know it isn't an easy thing to accept due to the way things have been made to work out in the world. It takes most people a lifetime to find out who they are. Those who have and who have accepted the fact that no matter how hard they try, they shouldn't and should not want to change who they are to suit the needs for anyone but themselves. They are the brave and they are the strong and what they put up with everyday of their life only makes them all the more brave and all the more strong. And that right there is something that's inspirational to many, gay or not.
 
Though I believe the normal you're referring to is socially normal, or socially accepted, there's no such thing as normal. Everyone in the world is different from the next person, as I'm sure you know well enough by now. There are so many people on this earth, but I can guarantee you that you won't find a single one who is the same as you. Everyone in the world is unique in their own way - that's what makes you you, after all. What people who live by socially acceptable standards need to realize is there's something about them that isn't normal by society, either.

I searched for reasons why people may be uncomfortable with someone they know being gay (because I know there are those people out there who would drop a friend just like that when they told them their sexuality). What I came across is a very interesting point. "We fear things that are different from us because that represents an outsider who might be a threat to our tribe. And we're afraid to be too different for fear that our tribe will oust us." - Jennie Kohl Austin.

Due to this, most people try their whole life to fit in with other people. In the process, they hide who they really are. I applaud all those who accept who they are (sexually, or otherwise) because I know it isn't an easy thing to accept due to the way things have been made to work out in the world. It takes most people a lifetime to find out who they are. Those who have and who have accepted the fact that no matter how hard they try, they shouldn't and should not want to change who they are to suit the needs for anyone but themselves. They are the brave and they are the strong and what they put up with everyday of their life only makes them all the more brave and all the more strong. And that right there is something that's inspirational to many, gay or not.

^^ pretty much this XD *thumbs up*

And on a side note too, perhaps more important than coming out to others, is coming out to yourself. It might sound silly, but self-denial is very debilitating. That said, when indeed coming out, one shouldn't really do so by introducing their boyfriend to their family, but you yourself talking about it on your own terms (as I have mentioned before).

And like we've been discussing for the past couple of pages as well. Your own sexuality doesn't define you, it is not who you are (per se), you are more than a dick or vagina... You are yourself, and your sexuality is just an extension of you. If and when you are accepted by your peers, they won't look at you as exclusively gay, but rather as just another friend, the day goes on...
 
Can I just say, I thought of Gay Pride as in, Pride as the direct opposite of shame. Therefore the parades would be to show more that people are not ashamed of their sexuality, rather than that they are overly proud of it.
 
Let me tell you, having been to Pride myself, it is anything but youth-oriented. I was bored out of my freakin' mind at that place...though the drag show was entertaining.

It involved half of them going to the "bar tent" and getting smashed. Drunken shenanigans FTL. (p-_-)p

that being said I can't wait for this year's festivities
 
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