Serious Moral Fortitude

[Her]

When debating or otherwise taking part in a discussion, what issues/events that, short of divine revelation, you are unlikely to budge on? Have you been swayed in the past, i.e leniency in abortion discussions if you are otherwise staunchly pro-life?
This isn't about stubbornness, it's about what you genuinely believe and not simply how your personality traits express it.

In short, what moral or emotional stances are most important to you?

 

[juliorain]

Discussions are meant to be discussions and not persuasive arguments. No should be trying to "convert" the other side. Debates are trying to win or lose, usually either for a cause, or as a pure discussion. While it is important to come to your own conclusions and form your own opinions, it it up to the individual to be "convinced," or not, by the argument/discussion and have their opinions and thoughts change on a matter.

 

[Her]

Okay but that didn't really answer the question lol

 

[Vragon2.0]

Hmm...I suppose one example for me is where I don't think any real perspective is overall more valuable than another. While I do think people that experience something tends to have a good perspective on certain aspects of a situation I don't believe that ultimately makes their call/the thought process the best course of action. I think ideas and thoughts being tossed around and discussed is a better way to finding a solution. Now I can debate and argue whether an opinion is well funded and thus a sturdy based opinion, but overall I don't think anyone's mindsets just happened to become the way they are. Everyone has some manner of story that led them to what they are today and frankly it isn't as simple as the here and now. I mean, with how sometimes people change their minds or try to better themselves in something, I think it's safe to say we all won't hold the same feelings or thoughts on everything as this very thread talks about.

Another thing I will say is my perspective on unity has changed. I used to really think differences were very positive in nature and during times where differences were starting to go mainstream, I found myself getting out of the little "echo chamber" if you will and being cool with talking with peeps of differing views and taking them in. However, as I went on I began to think about if "diversity" is always a good thing and from my own thoughts I think it can be a big problem when something becomes too diverse which leads to problematic unity, deadlocking, struggles for power, lack of unified focus, etc. Of course, the opposite end still applies with a singular focus, but from what I've thought in society and stuff is not everything good now will always stay good or always be useful and well, sadly I see one day when diversity could be the drowning point of some society as some unified mindsets have led to some very bad atrocities.

 

[moon]

Are you looking for specific examples?

One is that I don't think I can ever be swayed in my opinion that church (religious leaders) and state should be completely separate.

 

[Taemin]

Race jokes really bother me, and no amount of people telling me "Oh lighten up, racism used to be normal!" will ever make me think they're any less tacky or appropriate.
It's one thing if you make jokes about your own race, otherwise nah fam.

Also, I hate closed minded perspectives of the world, and I will always try to educate people. They could tell me they're conservative catholics and that's why they're against this, and that, and I would be firm rather than keeping my mouth shut. Religion is not an excuse to hate or be ignorant about the world or other people, and I won't budge on that, either.

I'm also pro-choice, period. I had a person ask me why, because that's allowing the killing of a child, but like.. nah, that's stopping a fetus from developing into a child that may be unwanted by everyone once it's born, and it could end up in terrible situations. Let the girl and the people involved decide, because you dunno their situation.

This all sounds bitchy, maybe, but like, is understanding and love that difficult for people? Rhetorical question.

 

[Bay]

For moral stance, gun control at the moment. The US is like the worse offender of it. I get it, the US is larger than a lot of other nations. However, whenever a gun violence incident occurred, other nations acted quickly with US still go, "but mah guns." Plus, I lived just 15 minutes away from one such incident and a few people from my hometown got killed from that. Also, just sad we have gun drills in elementary school when we could have better gun control instead. So yeah, if you tell me, "aren't you gonna listen to the other side" when it comes to gun control, I'll be like nah.

 

[gimmepie]

There's a lot for me, but I think the biggest one would simply just be the well... numerous things that rampant capitalism has screwed up. We live in societies where people are struggling to make ends meet and are vilified for it, where companies can keep building up greater monopolies, where the planet is being destroyed, where healthcare is inadequately provided and so many things and so much of it stems from the upper class continuing to make life better for the upper class at the expense of everyone else.