Most intimidating physical sweeper?

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One question; does Choice Scarf set outspeed? Only set that has Ice Beam. Not that you'll be using Ice Beam when you have Outrage for the Yache Berry set if it does outspeed. =P

Umm...Isn't that obvious? Choice Scarf sets outspeed Base 125's, even Base 130's I believe.

 

[Sora_8920]

Umm...Isn't that obvious? Choice Scarf sets outspeed Base 125's, even Base 130's I believe.

Not to me. =P There must be something wrong with me. =X It's either that, or the fact that I'm too lazy to figure it out. But whatev. :<

 

[Torterra]

in Standard.. its either Tyranitar or Chomp

in UU.. its mostly Lee

 

[devilicious]

I sleep afraid of Swellow and Hitmonlee every night. Stupid things that force you carry a Steel-type and and a Fighting-resist-that-isn't0weak-to-SE.

As for OU, eh... Really, it's hard to decide because everything there hits meanly hard. So I'd have to go with Lucario, Garchomp and Salamence.

 

[Romo_Owens]

It's interesting to me how everybody is saying Garchomp. Heck I love Garchomp. It's the heart and soul of my team but really, there's bigger fish. Attack mode Deoxys, Rayquaza, and SD Groudon are probably the most threatening sweepers in the game. Everybody seems to be talking about Standard enviornment and there yes Garchomp is hands down the best. Gyarados I'd say is second because although it's a monster with a few dragon dances in it, it has to well... get them in first. Although they both suffer from popular 400% weaknesses, Grachomp is just fine to take out a counter without any boosts and then get the Swords Dance in itself. Gyarados will have a very tough time against counters without a speed boost from DD. Especially water types packing lightning bolt such as Starmie.

 

[revelp8]

thats because the whole discussion is about the standard metagame, not the uber. ^.^

the bugs do it for me. Heracross and Scizor are personal faves. floatzel for the lulz at DDancers when i want to taunt and bulk up. ^.^ it can potentially take a few hits after a few rounds of BU and release with waterfall. i love it.

 

[Romo_Owens]

Also, and I apologize in advance if someone did mention him, but Heracross deserves to be discussed a bit. Lookin at this thread makes me believe that he is unbelievably underated. Give me another pokemon that can boast 2 different stab 120 power attacks, and a scary 125 base attack stat (matching that of what looks liek the runner up Gyarados). Choice Scarf Heracross is a scary sight and will tear teams apart that aren't ready to deal with it. Just being able to tear apart Blissey and Cresselia arguably better than any pokemon in the is enough reason to fear it. And let's not forget Guts.

 

[Archer]

Guts and those STAB moves are what make Hera Scary. The Attack stat and coverage aren't that good.

 

[Romo_Owens]

Umm...Isn't that obvious? Choice Scarf sets outspeed Base 125's, even Base 130's I believe.

With A max speed Dragonite, the beats can reach a speed stat of 388 with a scarf/dd boost. That can easily outspeed a Jolteon/Crobat (base 130) who only reach 159. However, a timid Jolteon will reach 194.

 

[ABYAY]

Hmm...I propose a change of pace here. Everyone is saying the similar things, and they're all OU.

How about some UU threats? We know there are many of these, and they can wreak some havoc.

For me, I'd have to say CB Hitmonlee. That thing just rips things up when used correctly, not to mention Mixed Nidoking, although I literally have yet to face one...which is strange.

 

[Romo_Owens]

Guts and those STAB moves are what make Hera Scary. The Attack stat and coverage aren't that good.

Yes I agree the type coverage isn't that good, but by saying the attack stat isn't that good what exactly are you comparing it to? Gyarados has base 125 just like Hera. Garchomp has 130. Dragonite, Tyranitar and Salamence have 134 and 135. And if you mean that it's not that great once you compare it to a Gyarados Dragon Dance or a Garchomp Swords Dance, don't forget that Heracross also has Swords Dance.

 

[revelp8]

I love UU sweepers. from the first gen. Nidoking is a beast and able to take a hit well. covers his weaknesses well too. even able to go special sweeper if thats your alley and cleans well. but trying to breed for a moveset is a right pain in the *&^

i like haxxxing with absol and super luck. ^.^

might as well add in digging flygon he-he

 

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In UU, SD Toxicroak is a monster. I personally use Sub + SD + Sucker Punch + Cross Chop. The thing can rip things to shreds with little to no problem whatsoever.

Hitmontlee gets an honorable mention; 2HKOing Steelix with CB Close Combat.

 

[Aquilae]

Garchomp is on equal ground with Attack Deoxys, Rayquaza and Groudon. In Attack Deoxys case, it cannot be comparable to Garchomp simply because it has paper-thin defenses whilst Garchomp is comparatively more bulkier, I would feel that Garchomp is better simply because it has more opportunities to switch in.

As for Groudon, Garchomp counters roughly the same stuff as it does and boasts higher speed but comparatively less attack, and a boosted Outrage. As in Rayquaza's case Garchomp outspeeds it initially, while Rayquaza does get Extremespeed on a whole Garchomp does not need a priority move due to its unique speed base. Garchomp functions well in Ubers simply because of its base 102 Speed which would allow it to outspeed a lot of threats in which Ubers are specifically designed to outspeed - this gives it a greater edge, and its speed base allows it to outspeed threats like Palkia and Rayquaza.

Heracross is really slow. It has a great counter in Gliscor as well as Megahorn and Close Combat being an easy switchin for the ubiquitous Gengar and Salamence.

EDIT : KT, Weezing =/

Aerodactyl is a monster in UU having a great speed and the attacking stats and coverage to pull off a sweep - if its counters are below 70% they basically get demolished.

 

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Garchomp is on equal ground with Attack Deoxys, Rayquaza and Groudon. In Attack Deoxys case, it cannot be comparable to Garchomp simply because it has paper-thin defenses whilst Garchomp is comparatively more bulkier, I would feel that Garchomp is better simply because it has more opportunities to switch in.

As for Groudon, Garchomp counters roughly the same stuff as it does and boasts higher speed but comparatively less attack, and a boosted Outrage. As in Rayquaza's case Garchomp outspeeds it initially, while Rayquaza does get Extremespeed on a whole Garchomp does not need a priority move due to its unique speed base. Garchomp functions well in Ubers simply because of its base 102 Speed which would allow it to outspeed a lot of threats in which Ubers are specifically designed to outspeed - this gives it a greater edge, and its speed base allows it to outspeed threats like Palkia and Rayquaza.

Heracross is really slow. It has a great counter in Gliscor as well as Megahorn and Close Combat being an easy switchin for the ubiquitous Gengar and Salamence.

EDIT : KT, Weezing =/

Aerodactyl is a monster in UU having a great speed and the attacking stats and coverage to pull off a sweep - if its counters are below 70% they basically get demolished.

The prescence of Gliscor doesn't make Lucario sucky, does it? Neither does the prescence of Weezing make Toxicroak suck.

Oh yeah...Aero...Poor UU =/

 

[c_dog]

for UU i like primeape. the CB elemental punch primeape with max speed just tears everything up with such great coverage.

garchomp isn't that good though i have to say. he's good but not hands down good like it seems on this site. at least he was never intimidating to me, not as much as gyarados, who i'm also quite used to countering with relative ease. i think i've been caught offguard by gallade(CB, CS, t-wave) more often than by either garchomp or gyarados.

 

[Xebelleon]

Was kinda rushed by a riend to battle him in a three on three.

His Swellow ended up killing me. It had a Flame Orb, used Protect & Roost in between Facade and Aerial Ace. I used

I used

Hippowdon @ Sassy w/ Stockpile, Slack Off, Stone Edge, Ice Fang (No item)
Cacturne @ Adamant w/ Leech Seed, Substitute, Faint Attack, HP Rock (No item...)
Girafarig @ Jolly w/ Magic Coat, Baton Pass, Charge Beam, Double Kick (Life Orb)

He also KO'd my Hippowdon with his Bronzong's Rain Dance and 3 Grass Knot's.

 

[Romo_Owens]

Garchomp is on equal ground with Attack Deoxys, Rayquaza and Groudon. In Attack Deoxys case, it cannot be comparable to Garchomp simply because it has paper-thin defenses whilst Garchomp is comparatively more bulkier, I would feel that Garchomp is better simply because it has more opportunities to switch in.

As for Groudon, Garchomp counters roughly the same stuff as it does and boasts higher speed but comparatively less attack, and a boosted Outrage. As in Rayquaza's case Garchomp outspeeds it initially, while Rayquaza does get Extremespeed on a whole Garchomp does not need a priority move due to its unique speed base. Garchomp functions well in Ubers simply because of its base 102 Speed which would allow it to outspeed a lot of threats in which Ubers are specifically designed to outspeed - this gives it a greater edge, and its speed base allows it to outspeed threats like Palkia and Rayquaza.

Heracross is really slow. It has a great counter in Gliscor as well as Megahorn and Close Combat being an easy switchin for the ubiquitous Gengar and Salamence.

EDIT : KT, Weezing =/

Aerodactyl is a monster in UU having a great speed and the attacking stats and coverage to pull off a sweep - if its counters are below 70% they basically get demolished.

Last I checked Aerodactyl is OU. And also, it's far from a viable Sweeper. It's a revenge killer and one outclassed by Weavile.

On your Heracross Counters list though, Yes Gengar, Weezing and Salamence will switch in freely on Megahorn or Close Combat, but to very little effect. Salamence will hate to be hit by Stone Edge, Gengar won't like to be hit by Pursuit Stone Edge or Night Slash/Shadow Claw. And Weezing... Well you switch it in and then what? I don't know who would purposely send a Heracross a Will-O-Wisp, sludge bomb won't hit heracross too hard because it has decent sp. def, and Heracross can 2ko weezing with Stone Edge.

 

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Maybe you should check again, because Aerodactyl is UU. Don't make a statement without knowing your facts.

 

[Aquilae]

Aerodactyl is UU.

Weezing packs Fire Blast. Salamence outspeeds. Gengar outspeeds. If you're going by that "this counter can be beaten by XXX move" mindset there would be no counters for many of the top OU threats, Lucario, Gengar, Infernape and such.