Moveset Help & Other Questions

[MoxieInfinite]

id consider haxorus the biggest threat in uu atm. sd breaks stall so easily. just some prior damage on the fairy (usually aromatisse, but granbulls coming up), and its gone(aromatisse tends to take knock offs too, and hippo isnt an uncommon mon on stalls). sableye is just a ♥♥♥♥.

 

[GreenFlame]

What are good Talonflame and Chesnaught builds? Talonflame seems to be very fast, and by looking at the statistics the preferred Nature is Adamant with Brave Bird being the most commonly known move amongst it. Not sure what Chesnaught's good points are.

 

[MoxieInfinite]

bravebird, sd, flare blitz, roost/uturn

wow, brave bird, roost, whatever

brave bird, roost, flare blitz, bulk up

chesnaught should run something like spikes, leech seed, spiky shield, a STAB of your choice

 

[PlatinumDude]

What are good Talonflame and Chesnaught builds? Talonflame seems to be very fast, and by looking at the statistics the preferred Nature is Adamant with Brave Bird being the most commonly known move amongst it. Not sure what Chesnaught's good points are.

bravebird, sd, flare blitz, roost/uturn

wow, brave bird, roost, whatever

brave bird, roost, flare blitz, bulk up

chesnaught should run something like spikes, leech seed, spiky shield, a STAB of your choice

While I hate to repeat what Moxie said, I'd like to add in natures, EVs items and abilities as well to expand. Other potential Talonflame sets will be included too, as Swords Dance and Bulk Up aren't the only viable sets:

Talonflame:
-Swords Dance
-Flare Blitz
-Brave Bird
-Roost
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb/Sharp Beak/Sky Plate
Ability: Gale Wings

or
-Flare Blitz
-Brave Bird
-U-turn
-Tailwind/Roost
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Choice Band/Sharp Beak/Sky Plate
Ability: Gale Wings

or
-Bulk Up
-Brave Bird
-Roost
-Taunt/Will-o-Wisp
Nature: Careful
EVs: 248 HP/8 Def/252 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Gale Wings

or
-Swords Dance
-Flare Blitz
-Brave Bird
-Natural Gift
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 80 HP/252 Atk/176 Spe
Item: Liechi Berry/Salac Berry
Ability: Gale Wings

or
-Brave Bird
-Taunt
-Will-o-Wisp
-Roost
Nature: Careful
EVs: 248 HP/252 SDef/8 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Gale Wings

Chesnaught:
-Leech Seed
-Spiky Shield
-Hammer Arm
-Spikes/Wood Hammer
Nature: Impish
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Bulletproof

 

[GreenFlame]

bravebird, sd, flare blitz, roost/uturn

wow, brave bird, roost, whatever

brave bird, roost, flare blitz, bulk up

chesnaught should run something like spikes, leech seed, spiky shield, a STAB of your choice

While I hate to repeat what Moxie said, I'd like to add in natures, EVs items and abilities as well to expand. Other potential Talonflame sets will be included too, as Swords Dance and Bulk Up aren't the only viable sets.

How do you set up with Swords Dance on an offensive Talonflame? It seems like it would rely on being able to get KOs before the opponent manages to damage it, which means Swords Dance would leave it vulnerable on that turn (depending on the opponent). The only thing I can think of to get around this is Mat Block by a fast ally.

EDIT: If the opponent doesn't use a supereffective move then Talonflame may be able to survive and take them out on the next turn because of the Attack boost, but it seems risky.

EDIT 2: On the Tailwind one, wouldn't you be able to take some EVs out of Speed and into something else, because when you use Tailwind it's gonna put speed up and Gale Wings will make Tailwind go first.

 

[Nah]

How do you set up with Swords Dance on an offensive Talonflame? It seems like it would rely on being able to get KOs before the opponent manages to damage it, which means Swords Dance would leave it vulnerable on that turn (depending on the opponent). The only thing I can think of to get around this is Mat Block by a fast ally.

EDIT: If the opponent doesn't use a supereffective move then Talonflame may be able to survive and take them out on the next turn because of the Attack boost, but it seems risky.

EDIT 2: On the Tailwind one, wouldn't you be able to take some EVs out of Speed and into something else, because when you use Tailwind it's gonna put speed up and Gale Wings will make Tailwind go first.

You usually bring in a boosting Talonflame on a predicted resisted hit (particularly Grass or Bug)/ on something deathly afraid of Talonflame (like Ferrothorn, for example), especially after a poke has been KO'd. You then can set up while the opponent switches out.

Tailwind is usually meant to be Talonflame's parting gift to its team before dying; its not meant to give Talon even more Speed (since its already fast as hell with base 123 Speed and Gale Wings).

 

[GreenFlame]

You usually bring in a boosting Talonflame on a predicted resisted hit (particularly Grass or Bug)/ on something deathly afraid of Talonflame (like Ferrothorn, for example), especially after a poke has been KO'd. You then can set up while the opponent switches out.

Tailwind is usually meant to be Talonflame's parting gift to its team before dying; its not meant to give Talon even more Speed (since its already fast as hell with base 123 Speed and Gale Wings).

I see. I can definitely understand the usefulness of Tailwind, because some of the Pokés I've got (W. Rotom and Clefable) are defensive and therefore usually end up moving second to the opponent.

 

[Howlcall]

I am trying to train up a Modest Lucario in my Soul Silver. Can someone tell me if these stats look alright?
lvl 41
ability: steadfast
hp- 115
atk- 97
defense- 73
sp atk- 117
sp def- 69
spd- 90

 

[GreenFlame]

What is a good Infernape (my fave Poké) build? Its Attack and Special Attack match exactly, as well as its Defense and Special Defense, though I imagine it to be a good Physical (not sure).

 

[PlatinumDude]

What is a good Infernape (my fave Poké) build? Its Attack and Special Attack match exactly, as well as its Defense and Special Defense, though I imagine it to be a good Physical (not sure).

Infernape is better off mixed to set itself apart from Terrakion and Keldeo. It can also pull off a surprise defensive set:
-Fire Blast/Flare Blitz
-Close Combat
-Grass Knot
-Hidden Power (Ice)/Mach Punch/Thunder Punch
Nature: Hasty/Naive
EVs: 168 Atk/88 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

or
-Stealth Rock
-Overheat
-Close Combat
-Endeavor
Nature: Hasty/Naive
EVs: 168 Atk/88 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Focus Sash
Ability: Blaze

or
-Close Combat
-Taunt
-Will-o-Wisp
-Slack Off
Nature: Impish
EVs: 212 HP/4 Atk/252 Def/40 Spe
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Blaze

 

[MoxieInfinite]

SR, Flare Blitz, CC, Mach Punch @Sash I think is the most common version, though a CB set with U-Turn over SR or something is probably great in UU.

 

[oshawottlover13]

ok so i have this ursaring that i iv bred myself. perfect ivs in HP, Atk, Def, Spcl. Def, and Spd. With the moves Earthquake, Play Rough (so it can atleast do some major damage to a fighting type before getting KO'ed) Rest (to regain HP) and Sleep talk (so im not just sitting there doing nothing). Now the reason i did the rest and sleep talk is because the ability is quick feet which should make its speed stat go up 1 stage when it gets inflicted with a status move right? Well using rest doesnt make me increase my speed which doesnt make sense because it has a status condition. can someone help me please?

and if this ability worked like i thought it would, and rest lasts for only 2 turns, i could totally get my speed up and using the choice band (not the one that is only for one move or use or whatever it is) my attack would be amazing. but why wont the ability work?

 

[PlatinumDude]

ok so i have this ursaring that i iv bred myself. perfect ivs in HP, Atk, Def, Spcl. Def, and Spd. With the moves Earthquake, Play Rough (so it can atleast do some major damage to a fighting type before getting KO'ed) Rest (to regain HP) and Sleep talk (so im not just sitting there doing nothing). Now the reason i did the rest and sleep talk is because the ability is quick feet which should make its speed stat go up 1 stage when it gets inflicted with a status move right? Well using rest doesnt make me increase my speed which doesnt make sense because it has a status condition. can someone help me please?

and if this ability worked like i thought it would, and rest lasts for only 2 turns, i could totally get my speed up and using the choice band (not the one that is only for one move or use or whatever it is) my attack would be amazing. but why wont the ability work?

Ursaring should use Toxic Orb to make use of Quick Feet; RestTalk is simply unreliable. While Play Rough and Earthquake have good coverage together, they lack STAB on Ursaring. Doing so will make it miss out on the raw power that Facade provides; the below set has good neutral coverage:
-Facade
-Earthquake/Close Combat
-Crunch
-Protect/Swords Dance
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Quick Feet

Play Rough isn't worth it on Ursaring; a STAB neutral statused Facade outdamages a 2x super effective Play Rough:

252 Atk Ursaring Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Machamp: 238-280 (61.9 - 72.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 Atk Ursaring Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Machamp: 276-325 (71.8 - 84.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


Quick Feet boosts Speed by 1.5x when the user is afflicted by non-infatuation/confusion status. At level 100, Jolly Ursaring hits 229 Speed (maximum, assuming 31 IVs in Speed), which will be boosted to 343 when it's statused. While this Speed is rather good, Ursaring is still outsped by base 108 Speed Pokemon and above with +Speed natures. Or you just didn't invest in Speed at all. Ursaring needs Speed investment to make the most out of Quick Feet; otherwise, it's still slow even with the Quick Feet boost.

 

[iPika]

Hi guys. I realised that my team is as bad as Munchlax's speed. I need some recommendations on what to do. This is my RU team.
Doublade (M) @ Eviolite
Ability: No Guard
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Swords Dance
- Shadow Sneak
- Sacred Sword
- Gyro Ball

Ambipom (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Aerial Ace
- Knock Off
- Return
- U-turn

Rhyperior @ Leftovers
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Ice Punch

Moltres @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 104 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 148 Spe
Modest Nature
- Fire Blast
- Hurricane
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Roost

Clawitzer @ Leftovers
Ability: Mega Launcher
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpA
Mild Nature
- Aura Sphere
- Dark Pulse
- U-turn
- Scald

Drapion @ Leftovers
Ability: Sniper
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Taunt
- Swords Dance
- Knock Off
- Poison Jab

What should I remove and what should I add? Thanks!

 

[PlatinumDude]

Hi guys. I realised that my team is as bad as Munchlax's speed. I need some recommendations on what to do. This is my RU team.
Doublade (M) @ Eviolite
Ability: No Guard
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Swords Dance
- Shadow Sneak
- Sacred Sword
- Gyro Ball

Ambipom (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Aerial Ace
- Knock Off
- Return
- U-turn

Rhyperior @ Leftovers
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Ice Punch

Moltres @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 104 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 148 Spe
Modest Nature
- Fire Blast
- Hurricane
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Roost

Clawitzer @ Leftovers
Ability: Mega Launcher
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpA
Mild Nature
- Aura Sphere
- Dark Pulse
- U-turn
- Scald

Drapion @ Leftovers
Ability: Sniper
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Taunt
- Swords Dance
- Knock Off
- Poison Jab

What should I remove and what should I add? Thanks!

44 Speed EVs let Doublade outspeed 0 Speed Rhyperior. If that's the case, you shouldn't use Gyro Ball:
-Swords Dance
-Iron Head
-Shadow Claw
-Shadow Sneak
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 212 HP/252 Atk/44 Spe
Item: Eviolite

Ambipom likes the freedom of switching moves, so Choice Band is a no-go:
-Fake Out
-Return
-Low Kick
-Knock Off
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item; Life Orb
Ability: Technician

More offensive presence would be preferred for Rhyperior:
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge/Rock Blast
-Dragon Tail
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 248 HP/16 Atk/244 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Solid Rock

or
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Megahorn
-Ice Punch
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 172 HP/252 Atk/84 Spe
Item: Choice Band
Ability: Solid Rock

or
-Rock Polish
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Ice Punch
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Weakness Policy/Life Orb
Ability: Solid Rock

Since Moltres is weak to Stealth Rock, how about replacing Rhyperior with Sandslash to provide Stealth Rock and Rapid Spin support?:
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Knock Off
-Rapid Spin
Nature: Adamant/Impish
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Def (Adamant) or 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef (Impish)
Item: Leftovers

What does Moltres' EV spread do, really? It could use the extra Speed from Timid and 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe.

Mild doesn't do Clawitzer any favors; that nature compromises its bulk. U-turn is meant for scouting purposes, not for the damage. Try squeezing in Ice Beam somewhere on Clawitzer so it has an easier time with Grass and Dragon Pokemon:
-Scald/Water Pulse
-Dark Pulse
-Ice Beam
-Aura Sphere/U-turn
Nature: Modest
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

95 Speed is decent in RU, and you're wasting that away with your current Drapion spread. Bulky Swords Dance Drapion should look something like this:
-Swords Dance
-Knock Off
-Earthquake/Aqua Tail
-Taunt
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 160 HP/96 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Black Sludge/Lum Berry
Ability: Sniper

 

[iPika]

44 Speed EVs let Doublade outspeed 0 Speed Rhyperior. If that's the case, you shouldn't use Gyro Ball:
-Swords Dance
-Iron Head
-Shadow Claw
-Shadow Sneak
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 212 HP/252 Atk/44 Spe
Item: Eviolite

Ambipom likes the freedom of switching moves, so Choice Band is a no-go:
-Fake Out
-Return
-Low Kick
-Knock Off
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item; Life Orb
Ability: Technician

More offensive presence would be preferred for Rhyperior:
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge/Rock Blast
-Dragon Tail
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 248 HP/16 Atk/244 SDef
Item: Leftovers
Ability: Solid Rock

or
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Megahorn
-Ice Punch
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 172 HP/252 Atk/84 Spe
Item: Choice Band
Ability: Solid Rock

or
-Rock Polish
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Ice Punch
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
Item: Weakness Policy/Life Orb
Ability: Solid Rock

Since Moltres is weak to Stealth Rock, how about replacing Rhyperior with Sandslash to provide Stealth Rock and Rapid Spin support?:
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Knock Off
-Rapid Spin
Nature: Adamant/Impish
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Def (Adamant) or 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef (Impish)
Item: Leftovers

What does Moltres' EV spread do, really? It could use the extra Speed from Timid and 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe.

Mild doesn't do Clawitzer any favors; that nature compromises its bulk. U-turn is meant for scouting purposes, not for the damage. Try squeezing in Ice Beam somewhere on Clawitzer so it has an easier time with Grass and Dragon Pokemon:
-Scald/Water Pulse
-Dark Pulse
-Ice Beam
-Aura Sphere/U-turn
Nature: Modest
EVs: 252 SAtk/4 SDef/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb

95 Speed is decent in RU, and you're wasting that away with your current Drapion spread. Bulky Swords Dance Drapion should look something like this:
-Swords Dance
-Knock Off
-Earthquake/Aqua Tail
-Taunt
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 160 HP/96 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Black Sludge/Lum Berry
Ability: Sniper

Rhyperior isn't the only problem in RU.

Yeah, Ambipom definitely needs more work.

I'm just gonna completely remove Rhyperior cuz he feels like he has no presence at all. Sandslash it is then.

Hmm... I'll try that Moltres spread.

Hmm... Yeah, U-Turn is crap on Clawitzer. No idea why I took Mild.

Hmm... I see.

By the way, should I do something about Moltres and his Hurricane? That 70% accuracy pisses me off.

Thanks a lot, friend!

 

[oshawottlover13]

Ursaring should use Toxic Orb to make use of Quick Feet; RestTalk is simply unreliable. While Play Rough and Earthquake have good coverage together, they lack STAB on Ursaring. Doing so will make it miss out on the raw power that Facade provides; the below set has good neutral coverage:
-Facade
-Earthquake/Close Combat
-Crunch
-Protect/Swords Dance
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Item: Toxic Orb
Ability: Quick Feet

Play Rough isn't worth it on Ursaring; a STAB neutral statused Facade outdamages a 2x super effective Play Rough:

252 Atk Ursaring Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Machamp: 238-280 (61.9 - 72.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 Atk Ursaring Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Machamp: 276-325 (71.8 - 84.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


Quick Feet boosts Speed by 1.5x when the user is afflicted by non-infatuation/confusion status. At level 100, Jolly Ursaring hits 229 Speed (maximum, assuming 31 IVs in Speed), which will be boosted to 343 when it's statused. While this Speed is rather good, Ursaring is still outsped by base 108 Speed Pokemon and above with +Speed natures. Or you just didn't invest in Speed at all. Ursaring needs Speed investment to make the most out of Quick Feet; otherwise, it's still slow even with the Quick Feet boost.

ok first off, i have no idea what stab means. i just now got into competitive battling so i dont know much terminology. Second, I thought rest would be good because it heals you perfectly and heals your status condition. and if i use rest with toxic orb, would that make my poisoned condition go away, come back and give me another speed boost? or does that not work? and i havent EV trained him at all i came here to see if that was a good enough move set and stuff, but my ursaring has adamant nature to boost his attack, and lower his special attack because ursaring doesnt need special attack.
Anything else i should know?

 

[Nah]

ok first off, i have no idea what stab means. i just now got into competitive battling so i dont know much terminology. Second, I thought rest would be good because it heals you perfectly and heals your status condition. and if i use rest with toxic orb, would that make my poisoned condition go away, come back and give me another speed boost? or does that not work? and i havent EV trained him at all i came here to see if that was a good enough move set and stuff, but my ursaring has adamant nature to boost his attack, and lower his special attack because ursaring doesnt need special attack.
Anything else i should know?

STAB stands for "Same Type Attack Bonus" (or was it boost?). Moves that are the same type as the Pokemon using them get a 50% boost in base power. For example, Bullet Punch will be 50% stronger on a Scizor because it is part Steel.

The issue with using Rest+Sleep Talk is that it randomly selects a move, so you may end up using something you really don't wanna use, and devoting 2 slots to Rest and Sleep Talk means Ursaring is lacking in important coverage moves.

I don't know for sure if Toxic Orb will re-activate after Ursaring wakes up, but I'd imagine it would.

 

[oshawottlover13]

STAB stands for "Same Type Attack Bonus" (or was it boost?). Moves that are the same type as the Pokemon using them get a 50% boost in base power. For example, Bullet Punch will be 50% stronger on a Scizor because it is part Steel.

The issue with using Rest+Sleep Talk is that it randomly selects a move, so you may end up using something you really don't wanna use, and devoting 2 slots to Rest and Sleep Talk means Ursaring is lacking in important coverage moves.

I don't know for sure if Toxic Orb will re-activate after Ursaring wakes up, but I'd imagine it would.

well i dont have a toxic or burn orb yet. im trying to get it in the battle maison. so ill guess we'll see when i get it

 

[GreenFlame]

What's a good Raichu build for my friend? Preferably built around Electro Ball, but if there's anything better ones please advise. Also does Electro Ball count mid-battle stat changes and items that might boost speed?