My God(s)!.....?

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    What makes "God" anymore real than Zeus,or Odin,or any other mythological god?

    It's something that's always bothered me...people will stand there preaching "God" and then turn around and say that Zeus,Posiden,Hades, (I'm using greek mythos as it's by far one of the most popular) were just made up by people that didn't understand things like weather,the sun and moon,or natural events.
    If that's the case then your arguement that "God" is real becomes invalid because who's to say that they weren't made up as well?

    I was just curious to see what some of you think about this,i'm not trying to be disrespectful,or say that there is no god(s) at all,it just bothers me that some culture are treated in such a detached way.

    Right then,discuss!

    P.s. To Razor Leaf:
    But,but,it was only fork under the ---... D:
     
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    Times change, and with them also change peoples choice in imaginary friends.

    Proof that God doesn't exist is that their are numerous different religions in play today. If God really existed, then we would have a single message not *insert number of religions here* different messages.

    But, to go with Modern Christianity... You know, back in the day, the sermons were all fire and brimestone, and how now they are about being saved, and forgiven? The Bible hasn't changed, we are still using the same old KJV bible made back in those days. You know what changed? We did. We grew tired with the old ways, and decided to adopt new ones.

    And in another hundred or so years, the cycle will repeat. We will have again adopted a new varient of religion to replace the older one.
     
    It severely frustrates me that they have labelled Gods nobody believes in anymore as 'demigods'. Technically they aren't half mortal so why have they been demoted?

    In response to the question;
    When a person believes in a higher immortal deity I suppose that classifies them as a God. Actually I suppose they should have some sort of creative purpose otherwise you'd have like vampires being gods and that would not be fun.

    Then again, vampires surely wouldn't follow human religion. Or would they? Would they? Someone answer this now!
     
    I personally believe that all the various incarnations of God(s) have been the same being and that religions have all been worshipping the same higher power and that we all choose to worship this higher power (God) in different ways and that we know Him (using the common gender choice here) by many different names. I'm an "Anglican" technically but I don't follow my churches bible nor any other since they are written by prejudiced old monks to perpetuate their views and not by the higher power Himself.
     
    Who says any one religion's god is any more real than anothers? People have different religions and different gods to worship, that's how human civilization has always been, with different belief systems being created and changing. Maybe they are different aspects of the same thing, maybe not, I don't believe that's for me to say.
     
    People have always said that their gods are real and others' are false gods. That's never really changed.

    With the Greek gods there just aren't people around who believe in them anymore so there's no one defending them. When you've got Christians saying that Islam is false, etc. there are Muslims who say, no, you're wrong. And vice versa. Plus, with the Greek gods again, they haven't changed and adapted over the last couple thousand years like the modern religions have so the Greek gods seem old fashioned, out of date, and all that. If somehow the ancient Greek religions had somehow survived into the modern day you can be sure they wouldn't look like the old stories.
     
    what you believe in is the real one for you. there's not really a universally "true" god as like cats and dogs but if you believe in that god, then good for you, it's the real god for you and not necessarily me.
     
    God is real because the Bible says so. The Bible was written by God.
     
    true, but that's what you believe, and it's perfectly true for you.

    But the question is, how is there concrete, solid evidence that God exists? Nobody says he doesn't, but there's no proof he does.

    And circular logic isn't proof.
     
    true, but that's what you believe, and it's perfectly true for you.

    But the question is, how is there concrete, solid evidence that God exists? Nobody says he doesn't, but there's no proof he does.

    And circular logic isn't proof.

    Those who do believe in him concede that their belief is based on faith, not any secret level of proof that they're hiding from non-Christians.
     
    The original bible may have been written by god, but unless you can read latin/hebrew/whateveritwasoriginallywrittenin then your going to have to settle for a imperfect version, translated not by God but by mere imperfect humans.

    Basically, the Bible might have been perfect, once, but its now been tainted, ruined, by imperfect beings.

    Anyway, the Koran says that Allah was God's new chosen. It's written in a old, religious text, so it must be true right?

    Edit - Can't remember this, but didn't we discover some old/ancient writings that said that Jesus had a Wife?
     
    Those who do believe in him concede that their belief is based on faith, not any secret level of proof that they're hiding from non-Christians.

    that's why I said that it's true for you.

    but for those who don't believe, there isn't any way to convince them.
     
    Plumpyfoof:
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    It would be less Vampyres following human religion,and more humans following Vampyre religion.

    gimmepie:
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    That's a very healthy way of viewing such a subject,it always brightens up my day when I see or meet someone who's not entirely a sheep.

    Scarf:
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    You've actually touched on one of the few reasons that i'm glad some of these old religions were generally abandoned. How distorted has Christianity for example become over the years from people deciding that some belief and/or practice was to old-fashioned?

    Mr. X:
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    Yes,indeed they have found such an artifact...it just goes to show how many errors are included in The Bible.

    FreakyLocz14:
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    Hm.
    My question seems to have been lost on you my dear,I was not asking if the Bible is real or not,but instead what causes people to revoke the prospect of other gods when they do not have a valid arguement for their own in the first place.

    I'm admittedly impressed with some of the posts on here,whenever I attempt to pose this conversation when face to face with anyone they become far to shallow minded.
     
    God is real because the Bible says so. The Bible was written by God.
    I used to have a Bible, but then I traded it for the Necronomicon.

    The original bible may have been written by god, but unless you can read latin/hebrew/whateveritwasoriginallywrittenin then your going to have to settle for a imperfect version, translated not by God but by mere imperfect humans.

    Basically, the Bible might have been perfect, once, but its now been tainted, ruined, by imperfect beings.

    Anyway, the Koran says that Allah was God's new chosen. It's written in a old, religious text, so it must be true right?

    Edit - Can't remember this, but didn't we discover some old/ancient writings that said that Jesus had a Wife?
    Yes, Jesus did have a wife. Her name was Mary Magdalene, and she was a prostitute.
     
    It's not rude or wrong to bring up such a thread, I feel the same way about this matter. You are right, a lot of people consider other gods fake and not real, but it's not say to state who is "real" or not. The thing that commonly throws me off and I mean no disrespect, but if our god "jesus" is the god, why are there other gods? I mean, if "god" made the planet then shouldn't he be the only god? This confuses me.

    On another note, how did god walk amongst the people? Why would he, an over looker or a god walk amongst us? This would simply make him insignificant and no difference than any of us. Yes, I've read how he healed those with the touch of his hand to ones forehead, but I just can't believe it or accepted. It can't even be forced upon, it's not my choice to not be religious, I just cannot accept god or have the faith needed so I will not force myself to believe.

    How did god get his image (long brown hair, white, skinny), why isn't he african american, fat and short? Don't take offense to this, I'm simply saying, how do you know what he actually looks like? More than likely a person doesn't know, I'm sure a lot of religious people never considered how god got his image or why he is "white" in specific. A lot of people grow up and take in what they see. Also, all these pastors, they don't know god, they never knew him personally, their just a typical person with a tremendous amount of "faith" in god reading a bible. I've tried multiple times to accept god or to believe in him, but I just cannot accept it and I lack the faith to believe. Furthermore, it's hard to believe with a lack of physical proof. I don't think I will ever be able to believe.

    When god made the human race, he made two human beings, Adam & Eve. They were both white, so... how did we get all of these different races and ethnicity? I don't believe I ever received an answer for this, it's an interesting thought. Hopefully no one took offense to this. It's just my outlook.
     
    It's not rude or wrong to bring up such a thread, I feel the same way about this matter. You are right, a lot of people consider other gods fake and not real, but it's not say to state who is "real" or not. The thing that commonly throws me off and I mean no disrespect, but if our god "jesus" is the god, why are there other gods? I mean, if "god" made the planet then shouldn't he be the only god? This confuses me.

    You must understand, Christianity, along with Islam, is one of the new kids on the block in terms of religions. So called Pagan gods existed long long before it. In fact the Abrahamic god (the god of Christianity, Islam, and Judaisim) the fact of monotheism and not polytheism was considered strange in the old world.

    This tossing of one set of theologies for another is largely a response to Christianity. The preaching of Christianity and the harsh punishments for non converters or heretics caused many to convert, perhaps not so willingly. After that the indoctrination of later generations phased older ways out. There are those still loyal to these old gods, but they are few in number. When Christianity took control over much of Europe it was more or less a government. In the Middle Ages it was essentally the only form of order, and the church had many rulers 'by the balls' so to speak. The threat of excommunication from the Church could have potentially destroyed a ruler's claim. Until the Protestant Reformation that is. Once the Reformation happened the Catholic Church lost power, but it was still very influential.

    What you are asking is a matter of so called faith. You believe your god is the only god, and that's what was taught, and what was enforced. It is, in fact, a Commandment, "I am the Lord your God, you shall have no other gods before me.", or something to that extent. This is why so many old religions died out or are seldom found, because, unlike other religions where the spread of religion was mostly to one region, Christianity spread and not only melded with other relgions, but they almost obliterated them because it is not tolerant of other gods, and their mission is to spread their religion. Some traditions and customs (Like the worship of the Virgin Mary appealing to those who worshiped godesses) survive, but gods never moved on.

    On another note, how did god walk amongst the people? Why would he, an over looker or a god walk amongst us? This would simply make him insignificant and no difference than any of us. Yes, I've read how he healed those with the touch of his hand to ones forehead, but I just can't believe it or accepted. It can't even be forced upon, it's not my choice to not be religious, I just cannot accept god or have the faith needed so I will not force myself to believe.

    God himself supposedly did not walk amongst man. He did take forms of other things, say the burning bush for example, but he did not take a physical form. Instead he sent his so called son who was sent to earth not as a god, but as a human. This is one of the main tenants of Christianity. Catholicism in particular treats god as one being with three parts; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. But they are all one god. Jesus used the power of the Holy Spirit, all around us, to supposedly heal the sick.

    How did god get his image (long brown hair, white, skinny), why isn't he african american, fat and short? Don't take offense to this, I'm simply saying, how do you know what he actually looks like? More than likely a person doesn't know, I'm sure a lot of religious people never considered how god got his image or why he is "white" in specific. A lot of people grow up and take in what they see. Also, all these pastors, they don't know god, they never knew him personally, their just a typical person with a tremendous amount of "faith" in god reading a bible. I've tried multiple times to accept god or to believe in him, but I just cannot accept it and I lack the faith to believe. Furthermore, it's hard to believe with a lack of physical proof. I don't think I will ever be able to believe.

    There are a few images of god. Not all are the old white man or what have you. Many have him black, or Arabic. It depends on where you are and what version of the Abrahamic god's relgions you are in. Many do not allow these icons, calling them blasphemic idols, which are not allowed via the Commandments. For these sects things like Saints and relics are very bad.

    What you explained here is called indoctrination. And it's the reason that religion continues to exist. If it weren't for indoctrined peoples the amount that would actually be converted is not substantial enough for it to ever really catch on or ever have progressed to the point it has. Indoctrinated people know nothing else much of the time, and if they are offered something else a lot of the time they avoid it because it is strange and often terrifying to do so. I myself was born into the Catholicism with no say in the matter, being baptised as a baby. But I was lucky enough to learn what I have and I eventually turned away from Catholicism, and later religion entirely and confirm myself as atheist.

    Their faith in the Bible is circular logic 99% of the time. The Bible says it is true, therefore it is. Fun fact, many agnostic/atheists became so after reading the Bible in its entirety. I became so because I took the time to actually learn as much as I could about religion. Strange huh? In fact there have been tests that prove that atheists/agnostics know more in general about many religions that those who believe in said religions.

    When god made the human race, he made two human beings, Adam & Eve. They were both white, so... how did we get all of these different races and ethnicity? I don't believe I ever received an answer for this, it's an interesting thought. Hopefully no one took offense to this. It's just my outlook.

    We do not know what race they were in particular. It is common belief that they were white, but that's only because painters made them to be. There is nothing in the Bible that made them so, in fact the Bible never really describes anyone in terms of appearance, save for a few people like David and Goliath or things like that. But your question on races is one of the prime arguments for evolutionists.

    BTW, atheist here, not religious. Just explaining.
     
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    As a christian/catholic(I was born and raised in both beliefs) I say god isn't real, too many loop holes and gaps in the logic.. The whole thing doesn't make sense, no one believed in god/jesus before Christ all those years BC(Before Christ) people believed in Greek gods and other gods.. Then one man comes alone proposed a crazy idea, builds a cult off of it and Christianity is born....
     
    Not really, it existed in the BC years. It just didn't kick off until the AD years.

    Anyway, BC and AD... What do we call the years in-between?

    Edit - About evolution/creation and their color. While he made two at first, their decendents could have developed darker/lighter skincolour later on. And again, after the 40 days/nights flood, except this time at a greater pace.

    Anyway, here is the best proof that the Adam and Eve story is pure crap. We know that reproducing with your close family (Aka, parents, siblings, first cousins) will lead to severe genetic abnormalities. Care to guess what options Adam and Eve's children had for partners? Yep. Thats right. Their siblings. Or parents.

    But hey, **** logic right?
     
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    Not really, it existed in the BC years. It just didn't kick off until the AD years.

    Anyway, BC and AD... What do we call the years in-between?

    I'm sorry, but you're mistaken.

    Proof.

    The terms you used, 'BC' and 'AD', are Christian in nature. BC means 'Before Christ', and AD means 'Anno Domini', latin for "Year of Christ", not "After Christ" as so many think. Meaning 1 AD is what many believe year that Jesus was born. Though it is debated because the Bible contradicts itself, as well as historical records. This is why many use BCE and CE rather that BC and AD. There are no years inbetween, meaning there is no 0 BC or 0 AD. So as you see it is impossible for Christianity, going off this, to exist in the BC era, because it itself was 'founded' in the first century.

    In terms of Judaisim, they have a different calendar. I believe the Jewish year is 5773. (the new year date is usually in September, but that depends, whenever Rosh Hashanah celebrates the first day of Tishrei.)

    Islam was founded by the prophet Muhammed long after Jesus' supposed death, in the year 662 CE, or simply 7th century.
     
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    As a christian/catholic(I was born and raised in both beliefs) I say god isn't real, too many loop holes and gaps in the logic.. The whole thing doesn't make sense, no one believed in god/jesus before Christ all those years BC(Before Christ) people believed in Greek gods and other gods.. Then one man comes alone proposed a crazy idea, builds a cult off of it and Christianity is born....
    Well.... they believed in God in the BCE years. But they didn't believe in Christ because he wasn't around yet. XD The idea of a saviour who would one day come did exist though. The "who" part of the equation was filled in later

    God is real because the Bible says so. The Bible was written by God.
    That's news to me.

    I went to Catholic school and was never told the Bible was written by God. Neither did the Sunday school stuff I did early on as a kid or Catechism classes Iater on in the Church.

    I was always told that it is the Word of God, but written (and interpreted/embellished) by Man. And as such is not meant to be taken literally.

    Anyway, here is the best proof that the Adam and Eve story is pure crap. We know that reproducing with your close family (Aka, parents, siblings, first cousins) will lead to severe genetic abnormalities. Care to guess what options Adam and Eve's children had for partners? Yep. Thats right. Their siblings. Or parents.

    But hey, **** logic right?
    *yawn* But it's not meant to be taken as fact. It's a story. Written to answer deep existential questions people had when there were no answers to give. That was it's purpose. The Catholic Church is fine with the big bang theory and evolution. Religion and science is not in conflict.
     
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