Official PokeCommunity Election #2 Discussion Topic

[Dark Sora]

@.@ Why are we fighting about moderators here? XD

We're fighting about moderators being so popular, that they shouldnt be allowed to run for president XD

 

[The Fallen]

Being popular doens't mean anything.That's what the race was created for.MOderators aren't all that popular, believe me w have to deal with members being angry with us cause we told them not to do something, or closed there thread.
Would you vote someone for President of the US if you had no backround info on them?All this is is a popularity competition, and if mods have an advantage cause they are mods then what's wrong with it?Member fanclubs are also popularity, I don't have one so I guess you could say im not popular, doesn't bother me.

 

[Kyogre-chan]

Noooo, Member Fanclubs is just a spam dump. XD

 

[aRedMoon]

Mods can run. End of story.

 

[NiNGi]

And a spam dump shouldn't be something to be proud of o.O'

Anyways, all this popularity things are just meaningless, and believe me, I have seen many "popular" members who are much more immature and deserve less respect than some people who can be defined "unpopular" =/

This is obviously the reason why mods aren't chosen by popularity.

Anyways, shall we drop this mod discussion any soon?? xP

 

[aRedMoon]

I already ended it.

Mods may run. SMods+ may not.


And for your info, most mods get popular after modding. If anytime. Mods are never picked by popularity.

 

[Arcanine]

Ok time for the long catching up post by yours truly. XD

First a few quotes (quote 2 and 3 is a reply to quote 1).

I already ended it.
Mods may run. SMods+ may not.

I'm going by what hte head adminly person told me. ^_~

3) Should staff be allowed to run this time around? NO

Now first off I really don't think Mods should run.
I mean all of you done have a large PM box, colored user name, italic usergroup title and so on. This event should be for members getting some fame around PC. I mean all of you Mod a forum on PC last time I looked, all of you have your name on the Staff list. So what is really wrong with letting two members get there 15 Minutes of fame? All of you will be here longer then them (unless you get yourself de-Modded <_<) so you will have all that stuff longer then them.
Yes I also can see how all of you helped PC sooo much and should be able to run because you are just like any other member. And all of you should have the right to run. Because after all you are members after all.

But that brings up a question. Why should Mods be able to run and S-Mods and Praetors can't (I have my own Admin usergroup and Admins are Community site owners so they don't need to run)? All I've seen is all of you fighting saying "Mods should be able to run | Mods shouldn't be able to run". But no one said anything about S-Mods and Praetors. They are also just members like the Mods around here. Each S-Mod and Praetor dosen't have their own usergroup. So what is really stopping them from running?

Campaign sites and campaign managers and really just there to do stuff for the member they want to win. Like last time I was Scotty's campaign manager, I made him a site, I made him banners, I got the word out for him and other things. Now maybe that site got a few more votes for him, maybe me telling members on MSN and stuff got him a few more votes. So I see nothing wrong with a campaign manager. If you really want the one you are voting for to win then put some effort into things. Like this year I'm going to be someone's campaign manager (I got two members in mind, so no need for all of you running to ask me to be your manager XD) and I see nothing wrong with it. I can't run nor do I want to, but I do want to play a part in this. But to me I think it's more fun being a campaign manager then being the one that is running.

 

[Hydrio]

Does it matter who wins,

In america can a senator run for president while still in office?

I mean seriously, it doesn't matter if you have power? I think we should host a voting ballot on another site so people don't know who votes for who.

I mean this election is about popularity not because your pressured because people can see.

 

[Kyogre-chan]

Andy, perhaps you'd like to go back and take a peep at the discussion on page 12...? Becoming a mod doesn't gain you popularity, but rather, being a great member does. It also isn't fair to generalise between mods and members. Why should we be discluded just because we have a coloured name and larger PM inbox (which was enlarged due to reports, I might add)?

Also, there's like 3x the amount of mods as opposed to the amount of higher staff. They get a lot of recognition, while we're just the stray dogs who go around dealing with spammers. And, for the millionth time, the mods ran last time, so by disallowing us to run this time, you're being really unfair.

And campaign managers... I don't want one. You tell your friends that you're running, and they'll vote for you if they think you deserve it. Campaign managers organise a website, and get that person more votes, right? That's despicable. You shouldn't vote for people unless you think they actually deserve it. A website is also a way of getting random people who you don't even know to vote for you. It's just sad, and shameful.

Actually, now that I've got that covered, I don't really care about entering or not. It'd be cool to have my own usergroup with a coloured name, but if others are just going to go ahead and cheat, then I don't want to be a part of it.

 

[Sawyer]

yeah, what Ty said. Mods are just like members, they just help PC with spammers and crap... >_> and yes, i did make a site, but that's because everyone else was XD, and i had an unused freewebs account <_<

 

[Arcanine]

Andy, perhaps you'd like to go back and take a peep at the discussion on page 12...? Becoming a mod doesn't gain you popularity, but rather, being a great member does. It also isn't fair to generalise between mods and members. Why should we be discluded just because we have a coloured name and larger PM inbox (which was enlarged due to reports, I might add)?

Ty I read all the posts (I don't skip posts like some members that did post in here asking questions). Now take a glance at mine again, the only thing I said about "popularity" is "So what is really wrong with letting two members get there 15 Minutes of fame?" now even that isn't really about popularity. I never said anything about "Oh you Mods are so popular around PC. It isn't fair to the members" I know for a fact that popularity isn't determined by your rank on PC. I was more popular then most Mods and S-Mods when I was a member on PC.
And why shouldn't you be able to run? Because you are Staff, how many members that is running wish they could be a Mod? Wish they could have a colored name and stand out on the online list? Or have a larger PM box then most members. All of you Mods done have it, so you winning will be like taking that from another member (yes I know you guys might lose, but that's not the point. The point is this even should be about the members). What is in it for you Mods? Just a usergroup of your own and the color you want?

Also, there's like 3x the amount of mods as opposed to the amount of higher staff. They get a lot of recognition, while we're just the stray dogs who go around dealing with spammers. And, for the millionth time, the mods ran last time, so by disallowing us to run this time, you're being really unfair.

So what if there are more Mods? All I've heard is "We are still members", you now saying that S-Mods+ are not members anymore?
And I though you just said this "Becoming a mod doesn't gain you popularity". What makes you think S-Mods and Praetors have more recognition then Mods? Do you really think some one like Tommy has more "popularity" then some one like you Ty? He is an S-Mod and you are a Mod yet his recognition on actions and stuff isn't as high as you. So why can't he run? Give me a good reason on why S-Mods and Praetors can't run?
Ever heard of change? So what if Mods ran the last time. This is a new election, things don't have to be the same. Was Claire here checking IPs last time? Was there a starting date on campaigning last time? You was able to start a campaign club about the member last time, yet this time you can't. You could send PMs last time asking to vote for so and so, this time you can't.
Isn't that "unfair" to everyone?

And campaign managers... I don't want one. You tell your friends that you're running, and they'll vote for you if they think you deserve it. Campaign managers organise a website, and get that person more votes, right? That's despicable. You shouldn't vote for people unless you think they actually deserve it. A website is also a way of getting random people who you don't even know to vote for you. It's just sad, and shameful.

I see nothing wrong with a site telling about the member and having banners and stuff on the site. What if you didn't know anything about ACManga. And you though about voting for him (or you was out looking for people to vote for and wanted to find the best one) because you don't have anyone in mind to vote for. Now you go to his site, read up on some stuff see if he deserves your vote or not.
Now what is so despicable about that Ty? The way you put it it goes "The member with the most friends win". If you ran do you really think 100% of your votes was because members though you deserved it? It should be where members run and win because of what they did. But most votes come from they liking you, they don't know any of the others, or they know someone voting for you and they will just go with that person.

Actually, now that I've got that covered, I don't really care about entering or not. It'd be cool to have my own usergroup with a coloured name, but if others are just going to go ahead and cheat, then I don't want to be a part of it.

Unless JK changes what he said (quotes in my last post) then you are able to run. I see no one cheating. So what's stopping you?

 

[Sawyer]

i'm sad and despicable? *cries* i thought i was a good person... ;.;

 

[Arcanine]

Well here is the post I just made in the HQ about this (and I guess it should be posted in here too).

"Well what sucks is everything is done started. Mods done have in their sigs vote for them and so on. I'm not going to be the one that says "Ok all you Mods, you can't run for prez".
I don't think it's fair to members that Mods can run. But at the same time as much as I hate to say it, I don't think it's fair to Mods telling them now that they can't run. Not now after it's done said they can and everything is done started.
I mean think about it, how would you like to go out and buy a computer. You paid for it and everything but you done have the car filled up with stuff. So you go home unload the car and go back to pick it up. But when you get there they say the price just went up 500 dollars and to get the computer you have to play another 500 bucks. That is kind of how it is with the Mods, they done started with their banners and sigs and that kind of stuff. So it really is kind of late to tell them they can't run."

So there it is, if you Mods want to run then no one is stopping you. Unless it's changed where Mods can't run.
But me I say if you Mods want to run then go on. You are all members after all, and you do have a right to run.

 

[Kurosaki]

I don't see why we shouldn't be able to anyways. I mean, sure we have a silver name and powers, but we have to work to mantain them. Just because we' mods, doesnt mean we should be exempt. And besides, most chances are a member wouldn't vote for a mod.

 

[Arcanine]

I don't see why we shouldn't be able to anyways. I mean, sure we have a silver name and powers, but we have to work to mantain them. Just because we' mods, doesnt mean we should be exempt. And besides, most chances are a member wouldn't vote for a mod.

Scotty was a Mod and he won the primaries last time. And really the main reason why he didn't win the main voting was because he was never on much anymore after the primaries took place (any of you want to vote for a prez that is never on?).

 

[Kyogre-chan]

*sighs* You're the admins, you can deny us the ability to run if you want. But the point is that letting mods run last time and not this time is really unfair.

 

[Kurosaki]

Yeah Andy, but a lot of members seem sour about mods running this time 'round. I myself had been planning on running before I got modded, and still intend to do so, unpopular or not, mod or not.

 

[Arcanine]

*sighs* You're the admins, you can deny us the ability to run if you want. But the point is that letting mods run last time and not this time is really unfair.

I could say No Mods running. But having most of the 33 Mods and who knows how many members mad at me over something like this isn't my idea of fun. XD

And last time we didn't want Mods to run. But look what happened.

 

[Kylie-chan]

*sigh* I think mods shouldn't be allowed to run. I see both sides but my opinion has changed...

 

[Kyogre-chan]

*nods* Well, for the sake of consistency, I'd let mods run. I don't really care, considering it's all for fun, but meh.