Chit-Chat: On Tuesdays Oryx and Triforce think it's Wednesday

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Umbreon said:
All of this is easily done, but the problem is getting passed the application part.
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Are you adding things that you did while being homeschooled?

Did you volunteer anywhere? Help a parent out at one of their jobs? Any kind of job is helpful on an application/resume even if it wasn't an official one. Heck, even going around a doing peoples' lawns is good. I put that I worked at my dad's company for a little bit while in high school and that was actually a major reason I got hired.
 
Oryx said:
It's really, really rude to assume that because I do something, it must be because it comes naturally to me and not because of the effort I put forth. I worked for years at it and it's something that most everyone can do, excluding doctor-diagnosed social anxiety, it's just difficult and involves intentionally making yourself vulnerable.
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Presumptuous I would agree with. But rude? Umm…

Let's say I spent… five years designing an awesome ROM hack and publish it here for it to explode in popularity and become a coveted work of art. I'd actually find it polite for someone to presume such a thing about my work, wouldn't you agree? It tells me that what I'm really doing is paying off, no?

Oryx said:
Showing manners and being kind is a good thing. But if you're trying to make it in the job world, you have to learn how to put on a facade of cheerfulness and ease, because the world favors extroverts.
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I'd much prefer to score a job where I didn't have to do that, as not only would I be holding true to myself but I wouldn't be giving my employer a false view of how I am and how I function. I've always ached at letting people down, even for the smallest of things…
 
G.U.Y. said:
Are you adding things that you did while being homeschooled?

Did you volunteer anywhere? Help a parent out at one of their jobs? Any kind of job is helpful on an application/resume even if it wasn't an official one. Heck, even going around a doing peoples' lawns is good. I put that I worked at my dad's company for a little bit while in high school and that was actually a major reason I got hired.
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Nope, there isn't really anything to add.

Nope again, and I assume that this is the major reason I don't get a job because of no experience.
 
Alex said:
Presumptuous I would agree with. But rude? Umm…

Let's say I spent… five years designing an awesome ROM hack and publish it here for it to explode in popularity and become a coveted work of art. I'd actually find it polite for someone to presume such a thing about my work, wouldn't you agree? It tells me that what I'm really doing is paying off, no?


I'd much prefer to score a job where I didn't have to do that, as not only would I be holding true to myself but I wouldn't be giving my employer a false view of how I am and function. I've always ached at letting people down, even for the smallest of things…
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No, it tells me that all the work I've done is being dismissed as something I was born with and haven't had to work at. It tells me I shouldn't be proud of what I've done, because it wasn't something I've done, it's something I was just given from the start.

You don't really get to pick acting how you want on the job until you have a skill. When you're looking at entry-level fast food jobs (and even fresh-out-of-college jobs at times), there's a couple dozen people to replace you if you leave a bad impression on the manager.
 
Oryx said:
No, it tells me that all the work I've done is being dismissed as something I was born with and haven't had to work at. It tells me I shouldn't be proud of what I've done, because it wasn't something I've done, it's something I was just given from the start.
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I never understood how the presence of effort affects the validity of a genuine gift. By that it makes no sense to me to tie pride into that, either. >:
 
Alex said:
I never understood how the presence of effort affects the validity of a genuine gift. By that it makes no sense to me to tie pride into that, either. >:
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Same reason I'm not proud to be an American - I didn't do anything to become an American, I was just born in America. If I didn't do anything to become good at surface-level interactions, it's not something I should take pride in. But if I work at something, it makes sense to take pride in it.

I'm not even convinced that talent is a thing that has a direct influence on people above the age of like 10 anyway. The people that are really good at things are those that put effort into it, it just happens that if you have a spark of initial talent people encourage you so you put in that work earlier - so a few years later when you have 500 hours of drawing experience to your classmate's 50, they say "you're so talented!!!"
 
Oryx said:
Same reason I'm not proud to be an American - I didn't do anything to become an American, I was just born in America. If I didn't do anything to become good at surface-level interactions, it's not something I should take pride in. But if I work at something, it makes sense to take pride in it.
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Well, I wouldn't say being American is an accomplishment or a gift of sorts… unlike your knack for sociability or my natural gift for speech or mathematics or memorization. :V
 
Oryx said:
You're putting accomplishment and gift in the same category. This is exactly what I was talking about when I pointed out the issue with what you're saying. Accomplishments are things to be proud of; gifts are not. I mean, assuming gifts exist beyond the most basic "ability to learn" and aren't just encouraged from a young age, which I'm not granting as truth.
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I don't understand why pride has any relevance in a significant and useful skill. :/
 
Alex said:
I don't understand why pride has any relevance in a significant and useful skill. :/
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Is this still on the topic of work? o.o Talking about your personal accomplishments shows employers what you're capable of, and often times, people from collectivist cultures downplay their individual achievements to instead focus on the project itself. In North America, because of the individualist nature of the culture, I think it's important to let people know what you've accomplished, but not in a cocky manner.
 
Oh Raine you got your name change! :) I thought it had too many posts or was too new or something.
 
Oryx said:
Oh Raine you got your name change! :) I thought it had too many posts or was too new or something.
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Hehe, yes! :D Thank you for noticing~ I think the admin are getting around to all those name change requests that has been collecting the past week XD Been planning this baby since I joined actually, heh.
 
Raine said:
Hehe, yes! :D Thank you for noticing~ I think the admin are getting around to all those name change requests that has been collecting the past week XD Been planning this baby since I joined actually, heh.
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IMO it does look a bit better than your old name. Then again, it follows a format I really like (short human name that identifies). :3
 
Raine said:
Hehe, yes! :D Thank you for noticing~ I think the admin are getting around to all those name change requests that has been collecting the past week XD Been planning this baby since I joined actually, heh.
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ehehe oops. it's so daunting when they build up and you're like "noooo i dont wanna ):" and it just gets worse, even though it's not that big a deal.
 
"The admin"

The scary, scary admin who will ban you all.

all of you
 
Alex said:
IMO it does look a bit better than your old name. Then again, it follows a format I really like (short human name that identifies). :3
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I agree :P I never personally liked having a space in my username, anywhere, so it only made sense to change it -3- And it was probably confusing for some people who know my real name, but then I tell them to call me by my alias, but at the same time I had 'Vanille Sky' so it was like @.@

Axton said:
ehehe oops. it's so daunting when they build up and you're like "noooo i dont wanna ):" and it just gets worse, even though it's not that big a deal.
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Procrastination at it's best. But thanks for changing it! :D
 
Vanille Sky was a much better first username than my first username, though.
 
Zach said:
Vanille Sky was a much better first username than my first username, though.
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9,999 posts! You have to make a truly epic 10,000th :)

e: that...was not epic.
 
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