[Completed] Pokémon Gray Topaz - Version 2 Ready!

[Al_Duit]

I haven't been playing this game long... just got past the first gym. One thing I've noticed is that the nidorans aren't weak against psychic moves. They're pure poison types, so psychic moves should be super-effective against them.

 

[Dee_Als]

Nice work <3 , i enjoyed playing it

 

[Wobmiar]

I did it! After days of work, this is the final result ^^

Pokemon Gray Topaz successfully completed in 3 hours 10 minutes. That was very hard to achieve, because this game is the hardest I've ever played. But you know what? I enjoyed every bit of it. Thank you again for this awesome game, that was so fun :)

If you guys are interested about my route, I'll post a personnal walktrough ;)

 

[Al_Duit]

Ok, I'rom Palioxis? I know I go through that desert, but I only see a way from Keres over the water to get to that desert, and there's no way to go to Dikaiosyne from that part of the desert. I'm missing totally something.m stuck... how do I get to the next town

Never mind... found the way.

 

[Wobmiar]

There is a little mistake in the walkthrough. In route 650, there is a pokeball, not a potion.

 

[Al_Duit]

I'm sorry if someone already pointed this out (I read through the posts, but may have missed it), but the yellow and red pokeflutes are not working.

 

[unavailableartist]

A few mistakes I've noticed... glitches

Trainer sends out blake (seedot)... and the writing gets small... and I can barely read it.

If you lose to the you "rival" battles... you get sent back to heal at the house. The running shoes becomes inaccessible.

It shows promise but needss a little work... and I'd like to see more animations for the moves made.

Also a small thing I've noticed... sometimes you Pokemon will disappear when fighting. No biggie. If you loose to you fellow rivals in the beginning, one of them disappear.

 

[Wobmiar]

^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Al_Duit]

^^^^^^^^^^

Good going! So you only caught 4 pokemon?

 

[Wobmiar]

That's actually the best I can do with that route. I catched only Giratina, Charmander was my starter (evolved in Charmeleon then Charizard) and I took the Lapras from the old guy ;)

I might do a little guide of my run tomorrow. It might look long, but seriously, this game is not only long, it's hard as hell. I'll let you imagine skipping some exp/training to rush gyms :3 RNG litteraly everywhere. I'll talk about PP too. That was... I have no word to describe the difficulty of optimising :P More info soon.

2h47 is the best I could have done. I can't imagine doing better except if I find a big sequence break. Right now, for this game, I have a new goal... But I'll not spoil you. It'll be a little surprise :)

 

[Wobmiar]

Ok, first of all, before I begin, I want to remind that I'm a french girl from Quebec. Wich means I'll not be able to write everything here correctly. If you want to correct me, ask questions about things you don't understand, or whatever caused by my bad english, don't hesitate, I perfectly understand. Ready? Time for the...

2:47 Any% Walkthrough

This is not RTA (Real Time Attack). This game is heavily balanced based on training Pokemons, and is therefore too hard to make in a single segment, unless taking 6 hours long. This is a legit segmented run, without cheat or tool.

Spoiler:

Part 1
Want to save some time? Name yourself "A". Each time your name will be said, in battle or in the story, it will save some time, with a total close to 30 seconds at the end (I think). If you want to yolo and go fast, just go with a random name. And YES, taking the GIRL is faster. I'll explain to you later why it's better to be a girl. For now, you enter in your house, and you talk with your dad. Just walk the most effective way possible directly toward the starters. You WANT to take Charmander. It's the only starter able to speedrun this game. Here is mine:

HP:19
Attack:11
Defense:10
Sp.Attack:12
Sp.Def:11
Speed:13
Nature:Bashful

The 3 more important stats are the attack, the special attack, and the speed. I want to one shot people (it's obviously faster than many turns) and I want to attack first. Obviously, it'll not always happen, but it's still very important. Also, you will have to battle an heavily strong Chikorita, and a Mudkip who can destroy you even with one level lower. If you don't have a total of 21 with attack and defense combined, you can forfeit right now your first battle. I wrote the nature, because that will affect the growth. I got a neutral nature, so this is pretty decent for me, but you want to dodge natures that reduces either attack, special attack and speed.

Time for the first battle. If you can't wait for two critical strike (1/16 chance each) in the battle against Chikorita, do a Growl first. You have more chances to win. I didn't growl, I probably did the fastest battle possible. Right after that, you'll rush down the route to encounter the Bidoof. Easy to beat, you can also crit with Ember to one shot. Note: Don't encounter Pokémons. It costs time. Just save before and after. Another note: saving takes time, ironically. The less you save, the most risky you are, and the more time you might save. If you want a safe run, save often and always go heal your Pokémon. I didn't in this route. Just after that fight, I rush strait for Blake with his Absol. An impossible fight? No. If he does Razor Wind and you burn him (with no crits involved), you can win after some tries. Now, go heal. Even if you did before. You need your pp back. In this run, one of your biggest ennemy will be not having enough pp, and then losing time (or even fainting). It's time to buy! You'll not pass the next section without potions. Buy 5, it's safe and useful for later too.

You don't take anything. Ignore the Pidgey, ignore training your Pokemon. Next is 4 battles strait to pass before Aedus. Use scratch when you can, because you don't want to use ember too much. I DIDN'T heal before FINISHING the first gym from now, so it's important to save that. Some RNG (Random Number Generator) can be tricky, and this is sloppy the forst time, but it's pretty easy to pass with a decent speed. Next is Aedus. Sonicboom is a pain in the ass. All I can say is: be patient, and good luck. You'll need some. The rest is pretty easy, most Pokemons can be one shot or 2, your speed will greatly help, and you should arrive at the first city after using only 2 potions (1 if you are lucky). Use them if you need to, but remember that Charmander has the Blaze ability, wich gives him literally an increase of his fire attacks by 1.5x if his health has less than or equal to 1/3 of his maximum hp. Really useful. Battle the unskippable trainer, and then you are against the gym leader. Ember is really effective against her first pokemon, then you'll level up and learn Dragon Rage. Use Dragon Rage to insta 2 shot her last Pokemon.

Charmeleon! I'll take a little time to talk about Dragon Rage. This spell does exactly 40 hp of damage, ignoring your own stats, the ennemy stats, their resistance, etc. This technique will be useful for a long time in the early game. Not strong enough to do enough damage? You can deal 40 strait.

Spoiler:

Part 2
For the next part, you'll need to buy other things. 5 super potions and 5 repels will be fine for now. Skipe the train you can, fight the 3 others, and, oh, it's Emil! Dragon Rage will do an easy job. Just remember that even if it's easy to pass, some battles are worth retrying for better RNg, giving you some early finishings and you can economise pp. Use a repel to pass the moutain. Easy battles, I healed at the nurse, then skipped every trainer on the next route (except the first one) to fight Alex right away (just before, be sure to pass talking to the little girl in the house who gives you the charcoal, it'll boost your fire attacks). Even if you crit each time and one shot each of his Pokemons, the grail will kill you, so be sure to heal a way or another. If the nurse healed you, you can go directly in the gym, answering the 3 questions, and accepting the biggest challenge yet: Overheat. Finishing this gym fast needs big luck, Dragon Rage, and big luck. You go heal your pokemons at the Pokecenter and get ready for next.

In route 655, you battle the first guy, then take the bicycle (register it, you'll use it often simply to go faster), then battle the girl on the right. You can pass the last trainer by the bushes to skip the last trainer before Blake. But will you battle it? Good news, I found a way to skip it:

If Macho Brace would not lower speed, it would be effective. Otherwise, it is not.

Have fun trolling him, his recognition hitbox is pretty cool if you pass that way. You can then rush directly toward the next gym. Remember the TM Volkan gived you? It's Overheat, a powerful fire move you don't want to miss. You can skip the girl in the gym, and battle the 2 guys. I suggest to use Overheat on the Quilfish, it's simply faster. Now we are battling Spurge, yeah, it was fast. He, on the other hand, is hard. Use Dragon rages, and try to manipulate the RNG to force him to use less potions. A good thing to take note is that gym leader's pokemons have berry that restores health when their life bar is in the YELLOW. You can calculate strategies to defeat Pokemons in 3 moves or 2 instead of 4, per example. Same thing goes for the potions they use. Keep that in mind. Overheat should one shot the Nidoking. GG, we can continue the route. Go heal now, because you are fighting Alex again. It's raining, making Dragon Rage (again) more effective than Fire Spells. You should have Fire Fang by now, it's way stronger than Ember. Remember to buy 5 hyper potions and 5 super repel.

In the forest, if you past north, you just have to fight the ranger, then you skip one grunt and fight the female grunt. Fight the catgirl the best you can, and you can continue. Remember, for now, to NEVER have 4 out of 4 fire moves, at any cost. If you go against a Growlithe, Houndour, or whatever is immune to fire, you'll be in deep shit. Pass by north, you should have enough to go directly to the next city without problem. Heal, and go fight Emil who is waiting outside of the gym (doing whatever npc do I guess, just standing waiting for the player, it's pretty hilarious if you think of it). Pretty safe battle, you are strong for now, and fast. Dragon Rage will again prove his utility, but be careful: don't let Eevee steal you charcoal. You need that mineral more than you can think. In the gym, you can skip the third trainer, and fight the bug girl. FIRE EVERYWHERE. Piece of cake, you go out, and don't even bother healing, just go take your Lapras from the old guy in the ous at the south exit of this place. Give it surf, and you are set to continue. Zigzag and surf to avoid battles, and you arrive in "lightville". Heal, buy things you want, and get ready for some factory.

Spoiler:

Part 3

Beat people. As fast as possible. Skip the ones you can skip. This section is pretty simple, use your best repels to pass the factory. Beat trainers, go faster, rush out of the routes to avoid unnecessary battles. Graveyard tower follows the same principle. Charizard is strong enough to one shot almost everyone. Then the gym... You have no type advantage, so make great use of your ability and your fire spells, you should also be fast enough to alway to the first shot. Togekiss is the hardest one, I could suggest to use overheat, then for the others, using Wing Attack (yes, you have Charizard now). Then head toward the next gym (don't forget to take repels in the desert). This one is as easy as it seems: to beat fighting, use Wing Attack. You might have some issues with the gym leader, because Machamp and Poliwrath can kill you easily, but with good rng all will be fine. Head toward the exit, where Alex waits for you. Remember when I told you to take a girl? If you take a girl, instead of a Gardevoir, he will have a Gallade. Fighting type is destroyed by flying type attacks, so no big deal. There is a long road without healing, and you biggest problem will be your PPs. I suggest using effeciency Wing Attack, and change it when you want for Aerial Ace, given by the flying gym earlier.

I have to admit describing the optimisation of this part is hard, because... It's quite simple and specific at the same time. You want to keep pp, you want to run at the good places, know the route at the ice labyrinth, it's just all about analysing the situation and acting for it. You'll face Emil. Beat him. Not easy to do, but well make-able. Finaly, you go to the steel gym. Just destroy them like you can, because Fire is super effective. At this point, just beware of Sturdy. Sturdy is an ability wich makes a Pokemon survive with 1 hp if he had at the beggining of the vital damage 100% of his hp. This means you can't (except exceptions like burning) kill them in one turn. Wich means they can hurt you. Hard. Anyway, you can skip healing (saving some seconds seems like nothing, but saving 15 seconds each city is helping like every easy little timesave) and finding the "secret" annihilation base. Funny tho, that max ether is exactly what you want, because you'll have so many battles you'll not be able to have enough pp. At the last room, take the Master Ball from the Liepard, it's some seconds faster than taking the one in the distortion world. After the last fight, you'll exit with full pp, full health, and ready to continue.

There is again many trainers possible to skip. Skip them, and now, don't forget to ENTER the pokecenter. If you don't enter, you can't fly back. The route after is filled with trainers, the last one being the hardest with his turtle Pokemon super resistant and strong. Wish for RNG, then you are there, congratz. Don't forget the Grievous Orb, and go catch Giratina. Here is my Giratina stats (in Origin Form):

HP:210
Attack:138
Defense:99
Sp.Atk:150
Sp.Def:110
Speed: 105
Nature: Mild

One of the best scores possible, the importants are high, and my nature is perfect. Give Charizard Fly, Lapras Waterfall, use one overheat to kill Dusknoir, and you'll be good to do the last gym with Giratina. Use Shadow Claw often, wish you have not too much Pressure with all those Absols, and face Blake for the last time. He is hard. Really hard. I can't exactly describe my strategy, but you have many choices, including sacrifying Charizard and Lapras. We have to try the fastest way, but also the way that will work.

Spoiler:

Part 4
Here comes the last part and... I can't describe it. You just do battles. Battles, battles, and battles. For now on, even if Charizard is stronger, you take Giratina for the rest of the time, training him the best you can. He is underlevel, but pretty strong, and you should be able (with many difficulties) to overcome the next road and the infamous Victory Road. Change strategies, adapt. Giratina is weaker than Charizard, but knows some nice spells. Normally, you would want to fly back and rest at the Pokécenter to regain pp just before entering Victory Road, but I calculated that the nurse is more worth your time (and some free exp). Don't let go now, we are almost there. Be sure to pick Dragon Tail as soon as you enter, because it's the only Dragon Move Giratina will have. Replace Shadow Force by it. Each trainer here has 5 pokemons, it's really hard. Save often, search for good rng, study the ennemy teams. And then, finally, you did it.

Before the Elite Four, heal, and take your time to buy stuff. I suggest 10 revives, 25 full restore (you'll not have to use it all) and then you'll buy TMs. Buy Thunder, and give it to Giratina instead of Hex, and buy Fireblast for Charizard, giving up Flamethrower. 5 battles to go, nothing much to say. Here is my individual commentaries for each:

Nixie: Good girl, her Politoed make it rain, wich means Thunder is better. Enjoy one shotting everyone except Vaporeon and Jellicent. Easiest fight in the entire game, you can even search for a good RNG.
Jorge: Use Shadow Claw and maybe Dragon Tail most of the time. Hard fight, easy to pass but hardcore to optimise, pray for crits because they know ice moves.
Alastor: As easy as the first. Shadow Claw is super effective. Tadaa!
Melinda: They can all one shot or two shot you. Whatever the strategy you take, I suggest to battle Salamence with Charizard because Intimidate will reduce too much the Dragon Tail attack of Giratina, the best against Dragon types. Use revives and potions, and you are good to finish this battle. Optimising is not easy, but I somehwat managed to pass my own mother pretty fast.
Captain Hercules, my favorite superhero of all time: Say hi to Toxic, because it's the best RNG you'll get. Begin with your fighting move, Aura Sphere. If Blissey does Wish, do a Dragon Tail. It might kill her, and the wish will be realised on another Pokemon, with 100% hp. Shadow Claw is your best move here, except for Breloom, take Charizard and make a good Aerial Ace. The others are pretty easy to beat.

The end? The end. The END. Finally. 2:47.

There it is. It's pretty resumed, but sincerely, this game is simply so hard and so specific to optimise that I can't describe everything, especially battles. You have to manage hp, pp, types, etc. All I can say is I enjoyed each bit of this amazing challenge. But that...is only the beggining. Thanks for one of the nicest fangame I've ever played.

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Gotta catch 'em all

 

[BjFinest34]

Where exactly did the theme from Charities come from? Just Wondering...

 

[Magic.]

Okay so quite frankly I am very interested in this fangame, but I cannot get it to run for the life of me. I've tried pretty well everything from compatibility modes to trying to run it with RPG maker to doing all that fun stuff with the advanced system settings. I have spent hours trying to figure it out with no luck. I have also tried each and every download link to see if that made a difference. which it didn't seem to. It would be greatly appreciated if you could give me a quick rundown on how to properly run the game in general because I probably messed something up.

 

[Wobmiar]

Okay so quite frankly I am very interested in this fangame, but I cannot get it to run for the life of me. I've tried pretty well everything from compatibility modes to trying to run it with RPG maker to doing all that fun stuff with the advanced system settings. I have spent hours trying to figure it out with no luck. I have also tried each and every download link to see if that made a difference. which it didn't seem to. It would be greatly appreciated if you could give me a quick rundown on how to properly run the game in general because I probably messed something up.

I don't know if I can help, but the simplest way to do is to run the application (.exe) after extracting the content in a clear folder. If the application doesn't work, try to open it with some other Windows settings (right click then solve the compatibility problems) and/or try to run it as an administrator.

If the problem is the download, and no link works for you, I could probably send you directly the game, but I don't know if I have the right to do that. Can someone tell me if it is ok to send this fangame directly by, per example, Google Drive?

 

[vzk]

Mega link is working but must reload the page many times.

 

[Appel_Stroop]

Hey first of all, great game loved it.
One question though, after beating the elite 4 I went and picked up Genesect but I can't seem to find/obtain his drives where do I get them?

Some small bugs I encountered;
Whenever I would use a psychic move with my Mismagius on a Pokémon weak to psychic (e.g. poison, fighting) the move wouldn't be super effective.
You can walk up the side of the entrance of the cavern of stone and ice from the Khione side. (the bug doesn't actually do anything though you can walk to the other entrance but can't get off of the mountain)

 

[Mochorro]

Hey nice game, I am playing it and enjoying it so far.... But I am jinxed with Pokémon games.

I caught a Pikachu in Route 651 with my Chimchar and decided to train it, and the next thing that appeared... a Shiny Abra. The Super Ball spined twice, it failed, and then he used Teleport. If I had had Chimchar in battle I would have used Taunt... This is not fair, I lost a shiny Seaking in the Safari Zone in FireRed, and I met a really odd shiny Yanma in the Battle Tower of the Battle Frontier in Emerald. My partner in multi battles had it, but after the first battle it was not shiny anymore, so we can say the chance of that happening is the same as getting a wild shiny... At least I got shiny Kadabra and Meditite in Platinum and Dwebble in Y...

Anyways nice game, looking forward to the challenge you say there is! Also nice conversation with the Absol guy about Ghost-types!

 

[Shiny_Pumpkaboo]

Does this game have hidden abilities or no?

 

[Rajoute]

Nice game !

Still, 2 problems : wish and stealth rock don't work appropriately...
My gigalith and togepi are therefore useless to me sadly.

EDIT : well stealth rock works now but wish is weird. I got the wish after 4 turns or so. Togepi used wish and fainted. Then I brought another pokemon who got ko'ed too, then another who used 2 moves and got the wish after the second move.

 

[CherryDrip]

Hello, I made this account to ask a question about calm water. The guide says that you can catch Corphish on Route 657, specifically in calm water. The problem I'm encountering is that the only body of water I can find is the large lake in the middle of the route that leads back to Aisa city. However that water is moving water, evidenced by the specific Pokémon (Wingull, Wailmer, Shellos) encountered on it. So my question is, where can I find the calm water on the route? A picture of the full route would be fantastic, or at least another route where I can catch a Corphish. By the way, thank you for making such a great game!

It seems I've solved my own problem while backtracking for items. The Moving Water, and Calm Water are the same for all bodies of water across the region, not just for route 657. I was wondering why you neglected to mention the Surf Pokémon on the other routes XD.