6th Gen Primal Reversion Discussion & Speculation Thread

[Leaf Magics]

The trailer shows them transforming in battle, resembling how Mega Evolution is activated but with the Omega/Alpha sign taking the place of the helix and the sphere is the color of a Ruby/Sapphire instead of Black/White seen in Mega activations. So likely it'll require an item similar a Mega stone to be given to them. Rubite and Sapphite? Or maybe Ancient Ruby and Ancient Sapphire...they can be the orb's true form.

I know. I was still talking about Mega Evolutions (and most likely Primal Reversions) being item effects, rather than Pokémon with a no-item penalty. Maybe I should have quoted Pepperton instead, but I thought that what you brought up about stat increases was a good way to explain what I was thinking.

 

[Salzorrah]

Rubite and Sapphite sounds awesome tbh. What if Rubite primal reverses Kyogre and Sapphite primal reverses Groudon? It kinda match up when Archie or Maxie use the other orb to awaken the duo when in reality, the true orb needs to be used in order to gain its potential?

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

That could be, but it'll be strange as their animation is red and blue so maybe it's our orb that it absorbs. What if the main character ends up accidentally awakening their Primal forms? Like Groudon could steal the Red orb and turn it to it's true form, and the same goes for Groudon. Then the stones react to our Mega Bracelet (as the MC apperantly can bond with very Pokémon as seen in XY when one can instantly Mega evolve a recently caught mon...) and activate Primal formes. I'll be a "What have I done?" for both the antagonists and us...

 

[Salzorrah]

Or maybe have the Rubite blue and Sapphite red? What if the orbs contact with the mechanism like you said and it magically turns to the stone? Yeah, I could see that potentially happening.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

The thing though is that a red Sapphire is a ruby, and a blue ruby is a sapphire. They're the same stone but the color of it is what gives it the name, so it'll be very odd for them to be reversed.

Something I'm looking forward to is seeing how long Primal Reversion will be a focus... Mega Evolution in XY dropped off after the third gym, and somewhat came back as plot significant with Lysander's makeshift Mega machine. And there was that little scene post game with the sun dial. I hope it is spread out and well covered, especially since the mascots are in their Primal reversions in the box art.

 

[MrGriszell]

Anyone else think that the strange souvenir looks like it could be linked to primal evolution ? They say it's from an unknown region , could that region just be filled with prehistoric pokemon we've never seen before ,

 

[Leaf Magics]

That could be, but it'll be strange as their animation is red and blue so maybe it's our orb that it absorbs. What if the main character ends up accidentally awakening their Primal forms? Like Groudon could steal the Red orb and turn it to it's true form, and the same goes for Groudon. Then the stones react to our Mega Bracelet (as the MC apperantly can bond with very Pokémon as seen in XY when one can instantly Mega evolve a recently caught mon...) and activate Primal formes. I'll be a "What have I done?" for both the antagonists and us...

What do you mean by true form? Do you think the Orbs have changed since the time they stopped the fight between Groudon and Kyogre?

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

What do you mean by true form? Do you think the Orbs have changed since the time they stopped the fight between Groudon and Kyogre?

I think that perhaps they've grown weaker over time. The orbs we see now maybe the crystal surrounded by a round casing. There are real life stones in which are covered by other kinds of stones, so it could be an energy version of that.

I think that Kyurem could use a Primal seeing how it's energy has leaked over the years...of course chances are some of that energy was the other two dragons...so maybe a Primal that is activated differently than the Weather trio's.

 

[Iceshadow3317]

Perhaps Kyurem could have a stone, but only be used when it is Black and White Kyurem? This forced you to use the DNA Splicer, but makes it even stronger? But that would almost be too over powered unless they give it only 60 base stats which would then put it around the same as Mega Mewtwo. ( I say only 60 because DNA Splicer increased stats by 40.)

This would also allow us to see the true one dragon.


As for them getting slower with primal versions, I would think they would be faster due to the fact that they are younger.

 

[Omicron]

I'll like to see Relancanth get a Primal (and perhaps the only non-legendary to get one) but I don't know how it'll look...guess it's time to check out it's real life inspiration's evolution line.

I would also like Fossil Pokémon and Pokémon that evolve by learning Ancient Power (Mamoswine, Tangrowth and Yanmega) to get a Primal Reversion. These are the only mons I feel it would be natural for to get a Primal Reversion.

 

[Leaf Magics]

I think that perhaps they've grown weaker over time. The orbs we see now maybe the crystal surrounded by a round casing. There are real life stones in which are covered by other kinds of stones, so it could be an energy version of that.

I think that Kyurem could use a Primal seeing how it's energy has leaked over the years...of course chances are some of that energy was the other two dragons...so maybe a Primal that is activated differently than the Weather trio's.

I'm not sure, the legend says that the orbs stopped their last battle. That seems to mean that they were already spheres back when Groudon and Kyogre were most powerful, when they were fighting each other.

Perhaps Kyurem could have a stone, but only be used when it is Black and White Kyurem? This forced you to use the DNA Splicer, but makes it even stronger? But that would almost be too over powered unless they give it only 60 base stats which would then put it around the same as Mega Mewtwo. ( I say only 60 because DNA Splicer increased stats by 40.)

This would also allow us to see the true one dragon.


As for them getting slower with primal versions, I would think they would be faster due to the fact that they are younger.

I always wanted to see the complete form of Kyurem. If I understand you correctly, I agree with your method for bringing it back.

Just to be clear, I think it could be able to regain its original form by fusing itself with either Reshiram or Zekrom, and then holding something that contains some power from the remaining dragon. So White Kyurem should hold something like the Dark Stone, and Black Kyurem should hold something like the Light Stone. This would allow the fused Kyurem to draw power from the stone it holds and hopefully become complete once more, even if it is just during the battle. Was that what you were suggesting?

And about Pokémon becoming younger because of Primal Reversion: I do not think that Primal Reversion is a Pokémon returning to how it was in the past, but rather a Pokémon gaining power and transforming by absorbing natural energy.

 

[Pepperton]

Do you guys think we'll be able to have more than one Primal form Pokemon on our team at once? Or will we only be able to have one? Also, could they make it so that a team can only have one Mega/Primal form, but not both? Right now, Groudon and Kyogre are the only confirmed Pokemon to be able to undergo Primal Reversion, and if it stays that way, such a rule may not have to be implemented.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Do you guys think we'll be able to have more than one Primal form Pokemon on our team at once? Or will we only be able to have one? Also, could they make it so that a team can only have one Mega/Primal form, but not both? Right now, Groudon and Kyogre are the only confirmed Pokemon to be able to undergo Primal Reversion, and if it stays that way, such a rule may not have to be implemented.

I think they will restrict us to one per battle. Imagine if one had all three Primal weather trio (assuming Rayquaza will get one) in one team. Another question is if one can have only a Mega or a Primal instead of potentially one of each.

The site says the Pokémon regain their original form or something like that. Also the orb legend is kind of tricky as in Emerald the orbs were replaced by Rayquaza. So maybe they'll reference Emerald by removing the orbs RS role and instead make it into the stone for Primal Reversion and have Rayquaza calm down the Primal Reversion (not needing to be in it's own as it's not going up against both?) mascot long enough for us to capture it or defeat it.

 

[Leaf Magics]

Do you guys think we'll be able to have more than one Primal form Pokemon on our team at once? Or will we only be able to have one? Also, could they make it so that a team can only have one Mega/Primal form, but not both? Right now, Groudon and Kyogre are the only confirmed Pokemon to be able to undergo Primal Reversion, and if it stays that way, such a rule may not have to be implemented.

I think I've said it before, but we will probably be restricted to only one Mega OR Primal per team; if we use a Primal Reversion, we cannot use any Mega Evolutions, and if we use a Mega Evolution, we cannot use any Primal Reversions. Also, most likely only one Pokémon in our team may Primal Reverse each battle, like it is currently with Mega Evolutions.

The site says the Pokémon regain their original form or something like that. Also the orb legend is kind of tricky as in Emerald the orbs were replaced by Rayquaza. So maybe they'll reference Emerald by removing the orbs RS role and instead make it into the stone for Primal Reversion and have Rayquaza calm down the Primal Reversion (not needing to be in it's own as it's not going up against both?) mascot long enough for us to capture it or defeat it.

The Orb legend is present in Emerald. It just is not mentioned after the battle at Sootpolis City. Of course, there is a good amount of things they could explain or add about the Orbs, but as it is now, it seems to me that they have always been orbs.

And the site actually says that Primal Reversion is a transformation that happens because of nature's power:

Brimming with the overwhelming power granted to them by nature's energy, their transformation was named "Primal Reversion" by later people.

I think this may also mean that Groudon and Kyogre were not originally Primal.

 

[Iceshadow3317]

This is from serebii.

"A new feature introduced in Pokémon Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire is Primal/Primal/Primeval Pokémon. These Pokémon seem to work in a similar manner to Mega Evolution through a process called Primal Reversion, and sends the Pokémon back to their Primal state. Full details on this feature are not known."

And no, I was saying they could give something to Black or White Kyruem just to do a primal reversion, meaning it goes back to how it was in the past. This would bring the complete dragon.


I think nature's energy was the power that Arceus gave them and then when they got out of control, the people made something to lock their power away.

Do you guys think we'll be able to have more than one Primal form Pokemon on our team at once? Or will we only be able to have one? Also, could they make it so that a team can only have one Mega/Primal form, but not both? Right now, Groudon and Kyogre are the only confirmed Pokemon to be able to undergo Primal Reversion, and if it stays that way, such a rule may not have to be implemented.

Primal are like Megas that is all so they will probably follow the same rule, meaning that you can only have 1 Mega/Primal in a battle period.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Wonder how the original Dragon may have looked...

Bulbapedia mentioned that the orbs were used to lock the power of the legends but that may be a fan theory. Wouldn't be surprised if true.

 

[Iceshadow3317]

I would like to point out something really quick. But before I do, Bulbapedia does say it is unrelated, but I do not think it is 100% unrelated.

There was a Primal Dialga in Mystery Dungeon: Time and Darkness. And it follows similar to what we know about Primal Groudon and Kyogre. It is said Primal Dialga came to be when it lost control of its power. Similar to how Groudon and Kyogre were in a berserker state. So, I am going to take back what I said about Primal being in the past, because it might not be so. But I will keep it in mind. (Also not that the coloring follows the same pattern. Primal Dialga keeps the original state, but the colors change similar to Primal Groudon and Kyogre.)

 

[Leaf Magics]

This is from serebii.

"A new feature introduced in Pokémon Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire is Primal/Primal/Primeval Pokémon. These Pokémon seem to work in a similar manner to Mega Evolution through a process called Primal Reversion, and sends the Pokémon back to their Primal state. Full details on this feature are not known."

The lore I quoted was from the official site; Serebii is a fan site. Besides, Serebii seems to be outdated about Primal Reversion in that quote, since they have already been confirmed to be called Primal Pokémon, not Primeval, which Serebii still lists as a possible name for them.

And no, I was saying they could give something to Black or White Kyruem just to do a primal reversion, meaning it goes back to how it was in the past. This would bring the complete dragon.

I think nature's energy was the power that Arceus gave them and then when they got out of control, the people made something to lock their power away.

All right, then I'll stick to my theory.

Bulbapedia mentioned that the orbs were used to lock the power of the legends but that may be a fan theory. Wouldn't be surprised if true.

The actual legend is as follows:

It happened long, long ago...
The world was wracked by a ferocious clash between the Pokémon of the land and the Pokémon of the sea...
The Pokémon of the land raised mountains and created continents...
The Pokémon of the sea raised huge waves and carved out oceans...
Their fierce duel raged without end.
The world was engulfed in massive infernos and vicious storms.
The Blue Orb and the Red Orb brought an end to the calamity.
Light poured from the two Orbs and becalmed the enraged adversaries.
The pair, made docile, dove deep into the sea where eventually they disappeared...

It doesn't directly state that the powers of Groudon and Kyogre were locked within the Orbs. I'm pretty sure that part is actually fanon as you said, but in my opinion it is quite reasonable.

We know the Orbs stopped Groudon and Kyogre from fighting, and we also know that they awakened them many years later, when they were stolen and separated. Would it be unreasonable to think that these things happened because the Orbs absorbed their power (which would have made them unable to keep fighting) and then released it when they were brought close to the Pokémon thousands of years later (which would have awakened them)?

I would like to point out something really quick. But before I do, Bulbapedia does say it is unrelated, but I do not think it is 100% unrelated.

There was a Primal Dialga in Mystery Dungeon: Time and Darkness. And it follows similar to what we know about Primal Groudon and Kyogre. It is said Primal Dialga came to be when it lost control of its power. Similar to how Groudon and Kyogre were in a berserker state. So, I am going to take back what I said about Primal being in the past, because it might not be so. But I will keep it in mind. (Also not that the coloring follows the same pattern. Primal Dialga keeps the original state, but the colors change similar to Primal Groudon and Kyogre.)

I do not remember the exact story, but I definitely remember that in Dialga's case it was Darkrai's doing: Darkrai did something to corrupt Dialga, and Dialga was losing its reason. Groudon and Kyogre' transformation happened because they absorbed natural energy from the world, which as far as I know simply made them more powerful. So I must disagree - I think that they are unrelated, that they are different processes and that the Pokémon just happen to share names.

 

[antemortem]

There was a Primal Dialga in Mystery Dungeon: Time and Darkness. And it follows similar to what we know about Primal Groudon and Kyogre. It is said Primal Dialga came to be when it lost control of its power. Similar to how Groudon and Kyogre were in a berserker state. So, I am going to take back what I said about Primal being in the past, because it might not be so. But I will keep it in mind. (Also not that the coloring follows the same pattern. Primal Dialga keeps the original state, but the colors change similar to Primal Groudon and Kyogre.)

But when Kyogre and Groudon were in a "berserk state," as you put it, and fighting each other they were not in Primal form. I don't imagine that they lost control of their power in their Primal formes before but rather they were too powerful for their surroundings and had their power sealed by Rayquaza and hence it's now being unlocked. I'm going to continue harping on my disbelief that Primal Dialga is related all that closely.

 

[Pinta77]

I'm quite curious. I'd be really happy if it was a seperate Pokemon all together. Like I could get a primal groudon and a regular groudon. but i doubt it =/