Prism League Discussion (Previously "Our own Pokemon X/Y League")

[Fokko]

hold on are we going to make a new thread for the pokemon league?

 

[Cyclone]

hold on are we going to make a new thread for the pokemon league?

I think so - and why have you not answered me on your trade being ready? :P

 

[Fokko]

I think so - and why have you not answered me on your trade being ready? :P

oh .... i didn't answer any of my messages yet. yeah lets trade right now. I have your pawniard ready.

 

[Cyclone]

Now, the interesting question here. Are leader teams "locked" after being selected? Or, if we find something not working, can we switch up our teams? I now have four or five possible Dark types to focus on, but still have a second type to select later (likely one of those subtypes).

Also, do we get an oddball choice outside of our types? Or are we going away from that? Just trying to figure out if my troll has a spot.

 

[J2a1m1i2e]

I think it may be better just sticking to your two types and not messing with peoples heads (:P), at least for now, migt be an idea for the future maybe?

On a side note, no one better take my spot, as I just found a good dual type team I would love to use :P

 

[Euphoric]

Now, the interesting question here. Are leader teams "locked" after being selected? Or, if we find something not working, can we switch up our teams? I now have four or five possible Dark types to focus on, but still have a second type to select later (likely one of those subtypes).

Also, do we get an oddball choice outside of our types? Or are we going away from that? Just trying to figure out if my troll has a spot.

There are no wildcards. There were going to be while the gyms were only monotyped, but when they were decided to be dual-types, everyone felt that two primary types would be diverse enough.

 

[Cyclone]

There are no wildcards. There were going to be while the gyms were only monotyped, but when they were decided to be dual-types, everyone felt that two primary types would be diverse enough.

Drat.

"Porygon2, thou hath served be well, but verily, for now, thou shalt be PCed..."

Still wondering if our teams will be static or can change over time.

 

[Nah]

Drat.

"Porygon2, thou hath served be well, but verily, for now, thou shalt be PCed..."

Still wondering if our teams will be static or can change over time.

Well, if you pick Normal as your 2nd type, Pory2 can still serve you.

I think its ok if we can change our teams around a bit. It's good to be able to change your team around if you notice a glaring flaw in it or if you simply get a little bored of your team or if you just wanna try something out.

So long as no one tries to change their team in a way to try and counter team the person challenging them.

 

[Cyclone]

Well, if you pick Normal as your 2nd type, Pory2 can still serve you.

I probably won't pick Normal. Depends what's still available. {XD}

I think its ok if we can change our teams around a bit. It's good to be able to change your team around if you notice a glaring flaw in it or if you simply get a little bored of your team or if you just wanna try something out.

Exactly.

So long as no one tries to change their team in a way to try and counter team the person challenging them.

I never thought of that, but if you have an opponent who has clear type advantages over 5 members of your team, what's wrong with juggling a couple of others in for that fight?

 

[Oblivion Wing]

I probably won't pick Normal. Depends what's still available. {XD}


Exactly.


I never thought of that, but if you have an opponent who has clear type advantages over 5 members of your team, what's wrong with juggling a couple of others in for that fight?

I get where you are getting at, but i got to disagree a little bit. The opponent has only 6 pokemon for all gym leaders. If the player has advantage of one gym, doesnt mean he will with all. Plus, i dont think this is meant to be impossible for challengers either.

What i was thinking, is periodically change the pokemon (if one wants). For example: every two weeks (or however many) all gym leaders can rotate x amount of pokemon (according to the gym type).

To me that sounds a bit more flexible so we dont get stuck with the same 6 forever xD.

 

[Nah]

I get where you are getting at, but i got to disagree a little bit. The opponent has only 6 pokemon for all gym leaders. If the player has advantage of one gym, doesnt mean he will with all. Plus, i dont think this is meant to be impossible for challengers either.

I thought we were going to allow challengers to have 2 extra Pokemon that they could rotate into their team?

What i was thinking, is periodically change the pokemon (if one wants). For example: every two weeks (or however many) all gym leaders can rotate x amount of pokemon (according to the gym type).

To me that sounds a bit more flexible so we dont get stuck with the same 6 forever xD.

But this sounds like a good idea too.

 

[Polar Spectrum]

Finally home from Bronycon; and not on limited time crappy hotel wifi.

Yep if that'd be alright with y'all. And i'd be joining the Showdown crew :D

Someone already put you on the list I see now; so this doesn't really need to be addressed. I added you to that list of players and formats sheet a while back, but Zekrom's got you on his and that's much more relevant now.

I said earlier that, if a forum were created for this league, that it might also work for getting other leagues going.

I submit this as evidence.

The interest is there. We should take advantage of it.

I also got (not really ninja'd, since it's been like... TWO DAYS +) outsped by whomever it was below, in saying we really don't need a forum. :I Not now certainly, and most likely not in the future too. This is the number one thing I was talking about when I said "lets not overstep our bounds or get ahead of ourselves here" though. We don't even have an operational league ready to challenge yet; a dedicated forum section, or even a subforum is far beyond our requirements or necessities.

If you're an idiot like me and didn't know what I joint account is, its basically an account where multiple people know the username and password. That way, several of us can log into said account and edit the OP, so it doesn't fall to just one person to deal with it, nor do we have to bug other staff members about it.

So I think that's what we're gonna do here.

Another thing we need to discuss is the badges. Who's gonna make them? Because it ain't gonna be me; I have zero artistic abilities. Or are we just gonna have a few emblems for league accomplishments?

Joint account sounds like it would be very efficient. I'm gonna PM you about this.

Cakesu; very generously offered when she bowed out of a leader spot, despite being quite a talented player that would've placed far from last on our X/Y division - to design us badges. I'm not familiar with her work - but I'll be investigating soon :U If anyone else wants to, or knows of her works - share it up.

We should probably discuss if we want to go for badges as emblems, completing the whole league as one emblem, or badges being images you can put in your signature or profile somewhere instead of emblems here though :v Seems like it still remains a detail to be decided on. (apologies if this was already decided upon and I missed that. Catching up on a lot right now.)

What's going to happen when we go back up the rotation? Falkbalk is the 18th pick, but what are we going to do after that? Will we just draft again for the people who still need another type?

I think we're going back up the list from Falkbalk (or, now J2 or Ozyman lastly) with everyone picking types until we're out of types - then restarting with whomever was lucky enough to be in the right spot to grab a type from the entire movepool again. Unless someone has a better idea? Cuz there totally may be a better idea.

I'll definitely help with the joint account. I'm very active and really organised so I'll probably be really quick on the ball with updating an OP. Also, I could design badges. I can try at least.

Hey, I think we'd all love to see what you can do for badge design, throw some examples in the thread - or link a dA account or something? Thanks in advance by the way!

Yeah, I was just wondering If I'd be able to become a leader later on (If there are still spaces), not going to be a burden by not being here for the launch :P So yeah, here's to hoping no-one takes that spot while I'm gone! :)

Also, how IS it going to work for people who join after drafting has finished. Will it just be a 'pick two types' kind of deal, or give them the two least used types in their 'league' (3DS/Showdown!), like if there is only one Demon Bug Type Gym, give them Bug and the other least used/uncommon type?

Oh right - I read that you were gonna be unavailable at first but present later on :I Yeah for sure, we still need spots, and may still need them when you get back from your absence.

As for people who pick after the league has started, we should probably go off lowest usage statistics for types? Or we can set a time period (a long one.) for re-drafting types for all members of the league.

If you're wanting the forum to place more emphasis on leagues, I think there are better ways to do that than a sub-forum. Zeffy and I are working on a new forum splash (e.g. the welcome message here), and we could try advertising leagues in it (maybe a "league spotlight" feature?). The forum guidelines could include more helpful info on leagues and how to make them. Prefixes can also sort threads (e.g. click on [Group] and you'll find all the leagues, clans, clubs, etc. in this forum), which we'll be providing easy links to in the splash.

Um, I think just a sticky would be more than great for this league :U Definitely do nnnnot need a forum or even sub-forum though. We'll probably have a second thread once it actually gets started and all the details are worked out, but thanks! :D I hope it does well too.

Since you guys are still Lf gym leaders can I be tested for a spot or somthing?

I know you answered this later in the thread; but I can't find it. Are you going for 3ds or Showdown?

I thought about something. How about each Gl has their own thread? I think it would go something like this:

While the Elites will be on the main thread.

We don't need Forums, Subforums, or extra threads for any part of this yet. Let's wait until we're at least functional to start thinking about expanding options, and extra side-activites and such. There are still things (besides typings) that need to be worked out. Like the emblems, gym leader team rules, league member replacement rules, and more.

Too many threads. It'd confuse people if our Gym Leaders were scattered all over the place; best to just list all of us and our types in the OP of the new thread. Besides, challengers need to know who all the league members are up front. If we make separate threads for each leader, they have to go hunting for those threads.

Seconded. When we make the secondary thread for the league, as in once it's operational - we may be best off making the OP with a joint account. We then may have all the leaders, rules, active challengers, and so on and so forth in that OP. (At least I'm envisioning it that way - does it sound good? :v )

In a dedicated forum, I would suggest every leader has a thread, and stickied. But yes, while it would be organized, it could be excessive at the same time (too organized?). In a generic forum, it would be a disaster.

Last time I'm nagging about this, I promise :P But we REALLY should focus on getting more pertinent details that are critical to the league being started, and operating settled first before we plan superficial and / or extraneous things like Gym Leader bios and threads and stuff.


THAT BEING SAID. I've PM'd and contacted Adam on skype and PC. I didn't see what time Blue, or whomever was before Adam - claimed their type, but 24 hours from then, lets move on to the next person. We wanna get this done by Wednesday, and we've slowed to only 2-3 people a day unfortunately here :I may have to accelerate the skip time to 12 hours - maybe? Or try and get everyone one for a lightning round of drafting, er, hell I don't know. But lets keep it moving.


Oh, and someone above mentioned wild cards again - with 2 typings for each gym, we don't really need that, since technically with 2 types and dual types allowed, each gym can have 8 different types amongst their 6 pokemon team already, assuming they have 3 pokemon dual typed with one of their gyms types, and another 3 dual typed with the second type.

What we still need to discuss includes

• Gym Leader teams changing
• Challenger Teams changing (if it's not decided it's just 6 for them, changing enabled when they lose)
• Badges functionality

 

[Oblivion Wing]

I was just throwing that as an example. I agree we should allow the challenger to rotate 2 pokemon of his choice at will. My point was for the gym leaders not to rotate when having the challenger go against all of us. Think about it... it's challenger (8 pokemon total) vs. League and elite+champion (66 pokemon total [if 6 gyms, if 8 then 72 in total]).

 

[Nah]

Cakesu; very generously offered when she bowed out of a leader spot, despite being quite a talented player that would've placed far from last on our X/Y division - to design us badges. I'm not familiar with her work - but I'll be investigating soon :U If anyone else wants to, or knows of her works - share it up.

I've never really interacted with her at all, but iirc, she has a shop or gallery down in A&D. That's nice for her to design badges for us.

Speaking of badges:

We should probably discuss if we want to go for badges as emblems, completing the whole league as one emblem, or badges being images you can put in your signature or profile somewhere instead of emblems here though :v Seems like it still remains a detail to be decided on. (apologies if this was already decided upon and I missed that. Catching up on a lot right now.)

I think that for badges, we should have little images that can be put next to a challenger's name in the OP (which could be put in their sig if they want). We could also have a few emblems for major accomplishments like defeating all the Gym Leaders of a division or becoming Champion. What I don't want to do is have an emblem for each badge. Besides the fact that that's a lot (at least 12) of emblems for the admins to upload, it's not fun for me to hand out all those emblems to all the challengers we're gonna get; the emblem awarding system in the Mod CP is not user-friendly.

I think we're going back up the list from Falkbalk (or, now J2 or Ozyman lastly) with everyone picking types until we're out of types - then restarting with whomever was lucky enough to be in the right spot to grab a type from the entire movepool again. Unless someone has a better idea? Cuz there totally may be a better idea.

Nah, that's what I was thinking we should do.

As for people who pick after the league has started, we should probably go off lowest usage statistics for types? Or we can set a time period (a long one.) for re-drafting types for all members of the league.

I think that the former is the better option.

I hope Adam gets on soon to claim his first type....

 

[Cyclone]

If you want to match the anime, Gym Leaders should not be allowed to change Pokémon. However, moves like Baton Pass, etc. can be excepted as it's a Pokémon's move that results in a change in Pokémon. Unless we're going to outlaw that for leaders, as well?

As for badges, she should wait until all types are chosen for a Gym before designing a badge around those.

 

[Polar Spectrum]

2 things really quick once more;

1 - Cyclone, I think we're talking about changing their team's pokemon, not just changing mid-battle by switching out. Sentencing anyone to not being able to switch is a death sentence in any battle format.

2 - Adam has come online, he told me on Skype he would like Electric, and will be posting that in the thread shortly to confirm. So if we could keep it moving we can get some more done tonight aye? :D

 

[sharkshocker]

On the topic of challenger teams - with the leaders being locked into types, even if it's two, the challengers need a constraint to keep them from using any regular competitive level team and trampling the whole league. If they can swap out pokes at will, carrying competitive monster to deal with every type in the flex spots, the league will be underpowered. Personally I think the locked into 6 for the initial run is a good idea. That being said if you lose, you would have to start over - which would mean being completely free to pick and change whatever you want about your team, since you're back at the beginning anyways. (unless it's after that Elite 4 checkpoint someone brought up, in which case whomever mentioned being allowed to change a poke after 6 losses, I agree with.)

Hmm it might be a bit too severe if challengers have to start over after a loss, especially as you get more badges. Keeping an option for people to "reset" their teams and starting is a good idea though.

Haha sorry but here's another idea for the clutter issue...maybe you can set up a thread (or sticky) that just focuses on monitors players' progress/badges and then another one for the discussion within the league? That way everyone can track their progress on a clean, organized thread while we can keep talking in another :)

I think gym leaders would appreciate being able to change their teams so they can try out new sets and maybe change some things that aren't working for them, plus it might get boring having to use the same strategy with the same Pokemon. I don't think anyone here would abuse that freedom for counter-teaming but to cover your bases you can have challengers report the matter if they feel it's a concern.

 

[Nah]

Hmm it might be a bit too severe if challengers have to start over after a loss, especially as you get more badges. Keeping an option for people to "reset" their teams and starting is a good idea though.

I don't think that we were going to force challengers to pick a new team if they lose, but I guess that needed to be clarified. What I think we were going for is what you suggested: to give challengers the option to change their team and start over. Either that or allow them a couple of extra pokes to use.

Haha sorry but here's another idea for the clutter issue...maybe you can set up a thread (or sticky) that just focuses on monitors players' progress/badges and then another one for the discussion within the league? That way everyone can track their progress on a clean, organized thread while we can keep talking in another :)

Oh, that is definitely the plan. There's no way in hell I'd have this thread be used to track challenger's progress and stuff. We plan to make a joint account and create another thread for the rules/progress tracking/etc, while keeping this one open for discussions about the league.

 

[Oblivion Wing]

Hmm it might be a bit too severe if challengers have to start over after a loss, especially as you get more badges. Keeping an option for people to "reset" their teams and starting is a good idea though.

Haha sorry but here's another idea for the clutter issue...maybe you can set up a thread (or sticky) that just focuses on monitors players' progress/badges and then another one for the discussion within the league? That way everyone can track their progress on a clean, organized thread while we can keep talking in another :)

I think gym leaders would appreciate being able to change their teams so they can try out new sets and maybe change some things that aren't working for them, plus it might get boring having to use the same strategy with the same Pokemon. I don't think anyone here would abuse that freedom for counter-teaming but to cover your bases you can have challengers report the matter if they feel it's a concern.

I dont know if it was overlooked or ignored but i said that i believe last post, page 26 not so long ago xD



On another note, its falkbalk's turn. Gotta wait for him now. I know i gotta wait to claim my ghost type lol.

 

[Polar Spectrum]

Hmm it might be a bit too severe if challengers have to start over after a loss, especially as you get more badges. Keeping an option for people to "reset" their teams and starting is a good idea though.

Haha sorry but here's another idea for the clutter issue...maybe you can set up a thread (or sticky) that just focuses on monitors players' progress/badges and then another one for the discussion within the league? That way everyone can track their progress on a clean, organized thread while we can keep talking in another :)

I think gym leaders would appreciate being able to change their teams so they can try out new sets and maybe change some things that aren't working for them, plus it might get boring having to use the same strategy with the same Pokemon. I don't think anyone here would abuse that freedom for counter-teaming but to cover your bases you can have challengers report the matter if they feel it's a concern.

I like, just about everything you said there. xD Yeah, restarting once you've acquired 7 badges may put people off from retrying the league after only one or two failed attempts, we may need a checkpoint system other than just before the Elite 4. Would love to hear some more from the other league peeps on that, as I'm not too sure I could come up with a good one alone.

I like the idea of *just* two separate threads, because it would make sense to separate a development and improvement thread, from a challenger progress tracker / gym leader tracker thread. Is everyone cool with this?

As far as challenger / leader team changes, I think it may be best to keep what we have, but give both a little space to take advantage of their own skill. Challengers may not be overpowered with having one or two pokemon they can swap in and out of their team, if Gym Leaders have the freedom to pick any pokemon of their dual-typed gyms types within the rules that they would like to use. I know - this is in mild contrast with what I said before, but that was prior to our group decision that dual-typed gyms would be present in the league. With 2 types and all of their dual typed pokemon to choose from at a leaders disposal, as well as the option to swap them out at will, the challenger will be (what I think would be) fairly encouraged but still challenged - to find the best combination of pokemon to go through the league with.

Increasing the diversity of both leader and challenger, is essentially what I'm getting that you're suggesting here. :P Anyone else? Thoughts?