Prism League Discussion (Previously "Our own Pokemon X/Y League")

[Oblivion Wing]

What do we do about types if someone else joins, we dont have a full roster. Also im not so sure about flipping the draft over, the last 3 picks really get the short end of the stick, plus it kind of goes against the idea of the draft. If i went 7-0 or 0-7 I still end up with 3 steel types.

The way i thought it was gonna get done was all types for 3DS and all types for showdown. Making things easier i guess to pick on types for both GL and E4s.We should just continue how we are at the moment though.

Start from bottom this time to make it fair? Idk, my 2 cents on that one.

 

[Polar Spectrum]

Whoops, misinterpretation on my part. HOOOOLD the phone. Okay, we are going back up the list. But, Ozy, for your second type you can pick any of the 18 types. Apolgies for that mate; my bad on that one guys - my bad.

Starting with Ozy, go back up the list, with all 18 types back in the running.

Edit: Alright, hold on. Splitting type claims for 3ds vs Showdown soundsss, okay - but we should only do it for this second wave of the draft, going back up the list. I think it would be really hindering to start the draft over again. :c Unless you guys all really want to.

 

[Cyclone]

The way i thought it was gonna get done was all types for 3DS and all types for showdown. Making things easier i guess to pick on types for both GL and E4s.We should just continue how we are at the moment though.

Good point. Split off the types used on Showdown and make them available for 3DS and vice versa.

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[Oblivion Wing]

Good point. Split of the types used on Showdown and make them available for 3DS and vice versa.

Spoiler:

I loled. And saved picture hehe. Anywho. So lets say for second type... we can use pokemon of both types. But since im ghost, and i choose not to have steel, can i still have aegislash on my team?

 

[Cyclone]

I loled. And saved picture hehe. Anywho. So lets say for second type... we can use pokemon of both types. But since im ghost, and i choose not to have steel, can i still have aegislash on my team?

Sure. What I suggest is have one dual-typed, covering both Gym types. The rest just have to have one of them.

I just realized something. I might have the worst position of everyone here. I'm in the middle of the list and have a lot of selection going both ways, but never the top ones. The ones at either end - INCLUDING the E4 - have a crappy type and a great type. Polar, does this seem right?

 

[Oblivion Wing]

Sure. What I suggest is have one dual-typed, covering both Gym types. The rest just have to have one of them.

I just realized something. I have the best position of everyone here. I'm in the middle of the list and have a lot of selection going both ways, but never the top ones. The ones at either end - INCLUDING the E4 - have a crappy type and a great type.

Dumb it down a bit for me breh...

 

[Polar Spectrum]

Oy - lets not clutter the thread more than need be (love you guys but we're really running high on pages and low on pertinent posts in here)

Ozy's got next pick, if he doesn't go again in a few minutes I'll PM him again. We can probably go all the way back up the list to at least, Ultraviolence's second pick tonight.

On the leaders picks with the new system, this should hopefully keep things interesting for both top and bottom picks, and nobody's gonna get a "Crappy type" because every type has its tricks, and will play off the other leaders in the league in challenging... erm, challengers.

By the way, since we're moving closer and closer to being able to launch, I think we should begin discussing the guidelines for replacing members of the league based on Challenger success, inactivity, and so forth.

 

[Ozymandias]

Current Listing:
1st: Antebellum / Steel
2nd: Euphoric / Dragon
3rd: Polar Spectrum - / Flying
4th: Zekrom / Fire
5th: Charizard Man - / Ground
6th: TGM - / Water
7th: Fokko / Grass
8th: Cyclone / Dark
9th: enigma / Fairy
10th: BlueBoi / Ice
11th: AdamEternal / Electric
12th: Falkbalk / Rock
13th: Ultraviolence / Bug
14th: Ferraligator /Ghost
15th: Ozymandias / Psychic & Electric

Remaining Types

Normal
Fire
Fighting
Water
Flying
Grass
Poison
Ground
Psychic
Rock
Ice
Bug
Dragon
Ghost
Dark
Steel
Fairy

 

[Oblivion Wing]

I think that the way a gym leader gets replaeced should be:

1) inactivity after a period of time.
2) banned or breaking rules in PC.
3) retires/steps down from it.

I dont think a gym leader should be replaced by a champion. I mean... Ash doesnt replace any gym leader xD

Edit: Count me in for Fire.

 

[Cyclone]

By the way, since we're moving closer and closer to being able to launch, I think we should begin discussing the guidelines for replacing members of the league based on Challenger success, inactivity, and so forth.

Well, I'm not so concerned about challenger success as a criteria; aren't the challengers supposed to win in the end, anyway? If a Leader keeps losing, chances are the Leader will consider relinquishing the position themselves. At that point, people can bid for that Gym, and either change it to unused types or maintain the same type. The Gym can be "closed" while being prepared by the new Leader, giving seven badges available (or fewer!).

That said, being a Leader isn't about winning all of your matches. You have to lose some or the league has no meaning. Even if you lose every match, that doesn't make you a bad Leader. You just might need to do some fine-tuning to your team, and we can help each other with that. I did such a trade with someone here yesterday. :)

Inactivity is the big one. If someone is gone for long periods of time and it's holding up challengers (such that there's a lineup at the door), it might be time to take the reins from that Leader. The league administration can decide whether the badges get awarded by default or whether someone steps in. Hopefully a Leader can appoint a replacement for such situations. It should be noted that, at some point, Polar or Zekrom (or both!) should bow out of leader positions and maintain a strictly league-running scenario, thus allowing them to step in should someone be absent for a period; they can take the Leader's team in that scenario and battle the challenger themselves with that team. That way there is little slowdown. (and no long lines). Upon return, the Leader makes arrangements to get the team back and resumes the role. Administration can also help out with Gyms that are idling by making their own typed teams for the challenger to battle, and I'm sure they can have some breeding help from the group of us!

Just my 75 cents.

 

[Oblivion Wing]

Actually instead of fire, i'll take Dark.

 

[arinceo]

Well, I'm not so concerned about challenger success as a criteria; aren't the challengers supposed to win in the end, anyway? If a Leader keeps losing, chances are the Leader will consider relinquishing the position themselves. At that point, people can bid for that Gym, and either change it to unused types or maintain the same type. The Gym can be "closed" while being prepared by the new Leader, giving seven badges available (or fewer!).

That said, being a Leader isn't about winning all of your matches. You have to lose some or the league has no meaning. Even if you lose every match, that doesn't make you a bad Leader. You just might need to do some fine-tuning to your team, and we can help each other with that. I did such a trade with someone here yesterday. :)

Inactivity is the big one. If someone is gone for long periods of time and it's holding up challengers (such that there's a lineup at the door), it might be time to take the reins from that Leader. The league administration can decide whether the badges get awarded by default or whether someone steps in. Hopefully a Leader can appoint a replacement for such situations. It should be noted that, at some point, Polar or Zekrom (or both!) should bow out of leader positions and maintain a strictly league-running scenario, thus allowing them to step in should someone be absent for a period; they can take the Leader's team in that scenario and battle the challenger themselves with that team. That way there is little slowdown. (and no long lines). Upon return, the Leader makes arrangements to get the team back and resumes the role. Administration can also help out with Gyms that are idling by making their own typed teams for the challenger to battle, and I'm sure they can have some breeding help from the group of us!

Just my 75 cents.

Pretty much agree with everything you said there Cyclone.

Just regarding the position of champion, the first person to beat the league takes the position yes? Then do they maintain the position as long as they see fit, or do they relinquish the spot whenever beaten?

 

[Cyclone]

Pretty much agree with everything you said there Cyclone.

Just regarding the position of champion, the first person to beat the league takes the position yes? Then do they maintain the position as long as they see fit, or do they relinquish the spot whenever beaten?

Yeah, I was kind of wondering that, too. The Elite Four stays intact, and the defeated Champion has to completely step down, but can later apply for a leadership role. Right?

EDIT: Actually, I'll expand on this! The defeated Champion, after a preset period passes, can challenge the existing Champion. This can only be done by people who have already defeated the league and been Champion at some point before; anyone who beats the E4 and fails to beat the Champion in their first run must run the gauntlet again, just like in the games. Unless we're easing that part.

 

[Oblivion Wing]

Yeah, I was kind of wondering that, too. The Elite Four stays intact, and the defeated Champion has to completely step down, but can later apply for a leadership role. Right?

What do you mean leadership role? I believe gym/elites SHOULD stay intact.

Run the gauntlet maybe?

 

[Cyclone]

What do you mean leadership role? I believe gym/elites SHOULD stay intact.

Future Gym Leaders. If someone steps down or in the event someone moves up to a vacant E4 spot.

 

[arinceo]

I would think so. Gives a long-term reward for people who have beaten the league.

 

[Oblivion Wing]

Current Listing:
1st: Antebellum / Steel
2nd: Euphoric / Dragon
3rd: Polar Spectrum - / Flying
4th: Zekrom / Fire
5th: Charizard Man - / Ground
6th: TGM - / Water
7th: Fokko / Grass
8th: Cyclone / Dark
9th: enigma / Fairy
10th: BlueBoi / Ice
11th: AdamEternal / Electric
12th: Falkbalk / Rock
13th: Ultraviolence / Bug
14th: Ferraligator /Ghost & Dark
15th: Ozymandias / Psychic & Electric

Remaining Types

Normal
Fire
Fighting
Water
Flying
Grass
Poison
Ground
Psychic
Rock
Ice
Bug
Dragon
Ghost
Steel
Fairy

 

[Polar Spectrum]

I think that the way a gym leader gets replaeced should be:

1) inactivity after a period of time.
2) banned or breaking rules in PC.
3) retires/steps down from it.

I dont think a gym leader should be replaced by a champion. I mean... Ash doesnt replace any gym leader xD

Edit: Count me in for Fire.

Inactivity, yes. We should set a date. I wanna sayyyy, 1 week - 10 days without notice. Or, if they give notice so we can set up a substitute or something, maybe a month?
Banned or breaking rules; naturally.
Retire / Steps down - also yes, naturally.

And I don't think becoming champ should give you free reign to just kick out a leader or something either, but we should definitely keep track of champions, and take their success into account when scouting possible replacement leaders or substitutes for the league. I think below here, I'm gonna bring that up again - with an idea about inducting new league members.

Well, I'm not so concerned about challenger success as a criteria; aren't the challengers supposed to win in the end, anyway? If a Leader keeps losing, chances are the Leader will consider relinquishing the position themselves. At that point, people can bid for that Gym, and either change it to unused types or maintain the same type. The Gym can be "closed" while being prepared by the new Leader, giving seven badges available (or fewer!).

When I say challenger success, I refer both to offering successful and dedicated challengers spots on the league, based on their earning their way in; as well as - leaders not providing a challenge to those who would take on the league. We do have to remember to give fair opportunity for the league to develop and new people to get in. And we also have to be fair enough to not hold ourselves in positions that we want when we're clearly outmatched for those positions. A leader shouldn't be expected to win every match, because of course we don't want the league to be impossible. But we want the league to test players still, and as such, a leader which presents no challenge to anyone, may not be the best for the league. I think there should be something set up with a set number of consecutive losses (high; of course, because something earned like a spot on the league shouldn't be taken just by a few bad battles) such as; ten consecutive losses in a row to [different] challengers, or 5 losses in a row without a single knockout of a challengers pokemon. Because c'mon. Those are pretty harsh terms of defeat there. Those are just my suggestions of course though :U Anyone who has a better system, fairer numbers, or something like that I'd love to see, because this is a pretty important measure in this whole thing. We need something that'll be effective, but also hopefully not leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth.

That said, being a Leader isn't about winning all of your matches. You have to lose some or the league has no meaning. Even if you lose every match, that doesn't make you a bad Leader. You just might need to do some fine-tuning to your team, and we can help each other with that. I did such a trade with someone here yesterday. :)

I agree, leaders can have bad streaks too. But like I said above, someone who doesn't provide a challenge to anyone, novice or veteran, probbbably should build their skills up, perhaps by challenging the league, rather than maintain a spot as a leader on it.

Inactivity is the big one. If someone is gone for long periods of time and it's holding up challengers (such that there's a lineup at the door), it might be time to take the reins from that Leader. The league administration can decide whether the badges get awarded by default or whether someone steps in. Hopefully a Leader can appoint a replacement for such situations. It should be noted that, at some point, Polar or Zekrom (or both!) should bow out of leader positions and maintain a strictly league-running scenario, thus allowing them to step in should someone be absent for a period; they can take the Leader's team in that scenario and battle the challenger themselves with that team. That way there is little slowdown. (and no long lines). Upon return, the Leader makes arrangements to get the team back and resumes the role. Administration can also help out with Gyms that are idling by making their own typed teams for the challenger to battle, and I'm sure they can have some breeding help from the group of us!

Yes. Inactivity should be the most drastic offense, since it's the most potent killer of things like this. (I think anyways :v) We would need a system in place to expel inactive leaders/elites/champions, as well as have a way of dealing with their absences. Above - I mentioned something I was gonna go on with about that. We coooould, and this is just a suggestion, lemme know what you guys think, have a substitute system based on potential members of the league, rather than other members of the league. It may be a good way to test people in a position to gain seats as leaders or elites. I don't think we should hand out badges at any point, even if we have no substitutes from outside the league, another leader / elite should be able to step in and fill for the missing party. Annnnd let's not get onto anybody bowing out of leader positions just yet, nobody wants to be pushed out of something by their peers against their will. We can set up the rules regarding replacing leaders, and of course if anyone wants to step down, that's always up to them. That being said, keeping extra substitutes on hand would always be a good idea, so we can keep things running at maximum efficiency.

Pretty much agree with everything you said there Cyclone.

Just regarding the position of champion, the first person to beat the league takes the position yes? Then do they maintain the position as long as they see fit, or do they relinquish the spot whenever beaten?

Um, I believe once someone beats the league, everyone is under the impression it will be offered to that person. We can't MAKE someone join us, especially since we have rules about being present set up and everything - but we can hope someone good will always join. As for how long they keep it - I'd imagine until they're dethroned or give it up.

Yeah, I was kind of wondering that, too. The Elite Four stays intact, and the defeated Champion has to completely step down, but can later apply for a leadership role. Right?

EDIT: Actually, I'll expand on this! The defeated Champion, after a preset period passes, can challenge the existing Champion. This can only be done by people who have already defeated the league and been Champion at some point before; anyone who beats the E4 and fails to beat the Champion in their first run must run the gauntlet again, just like in the games. Unless we're easing that part.

Um, y'know that's actually not such a bad idea. That champions can challenge one another. Not sure if it should just be for the whole Champion title every time, without doing any gyms or elite battles again, but there's something there I think :U Someone else could probably come up with something better than me for this. Anywho; I'll re-PM ultraviolence. It stands as such now.

Current Listing:
1st: Antebellum / Steel
2nd: Euphoric / Dragon
3rd: Polar Spectrum - / Flying
4th: Zekrom / Fire
5th: Charizard Man - / Ground
6th: TGM - / Water
7th: Fokko / Grass
8th: Cyclone / Dark
9th: enigma / Fairy
10th: BlueBoi / Ice
11th: AdamEternal / Electric
12th: Falkbalk / Rock
13th: Ultraviolence / Bug
14th: Ferraligator /Ghost & Dark
15th: Ozymandias / Psychic & Electric

Remaining Types

Normal
Fire
Fighting
Water
Flying
Grass
Poison
Ground
Psychic
Rock
Ice
Bug
Dragon
Ghost
Steel
Fairy

Alright, so we're back to Ultraviolence again. Not bad.

 

[Oblivion Wing]

Numbers for loosing streaks that will automatically take away leadership:

10 in a row.

5 without taking down challengers pokedudes.

I think that should be an official rule. But it should be discussed. Cause i dont know who it was that i lost the 2 out of 3, but i won the skngles match where the last pokemon were my dragonite and his pikachu, where it dropped me down to 4 hp with a thunderbolt, it paralyzed me and i still took it down with an outrage. I think if the battles are understandable then the 10 match rule should be overlooked. Meaning that the challenger has passed the criteria to earn that badge. In-game and anime that's how it goes.

 

[Cyclone]

So ten challengers walk in and take down six of the Leaders (out of eight) all on the first shot. All six are expelled? :P It's possibly to always lose with one Pokémon left. And rather than expel them, it might be best to talk to fellow Leaders, even show a Battle Video or two via saving to your profile for online viewing. I say take it on a case-by-case basis. I myself am still a battle novice, but Leaders are supposed to be specialized in their types. With certain additions, they'd be unstoppable, but there will often be holes that can be exploited sticking to a single type. If every challenger finds the hole, that's not the Leader's fault. It is the Leader's fault if they don't patch that hole and make challengers find another avenue in the future.

That said, ten consecutive losses does seem high. I doubt many of us will still get there. I might at first, but like I said, I'm still somewhat novice. I learn by doing. And learning from your mistakes is how to do it.

Back to the Champion thing: why should a former Champion have to rechallenge the entire league? They've proven they can beat every Leader; why make them start over? If anything, make them run the E4 and Champion all together again under the "same six" rule; the E4 serves as the door to the Champion, as in the games. But no need to go back to the Gym Leaders IMO. Once you have the badges, you have the badges.