Prism League Discussion (Previously "Our own Pokemon X/Y League")

Leaders/E4 using Pokemon whose Megas change to a different type, yes or no?

  • Yes

    Votes: 25 75.8%

  • No

    Votes: 8 24.2%
  • Total voters
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I dropped off my post and Adam's post at the Day Care, and they had babies. This is what they look like:
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So, whatcha all think of it so far? And did I forget important things, because I get the feeling I did.
 
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Cyclone said:
It seems unfair to allow that. While we are putting ourselves out as "the best", keep in mind all of us are filling initial roles (even if we earned them in some cases, like Antebellum could have been Champion). Anyone leaving the league should still challenge the league as a regular challenger in order to prove themselves worthy of becoming Champion, and the same rules apply to them as to anyone else; if they defeat the existing Champion, great, but if not, they don't hold down a role in the league.
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It seems unfair to allow leaders / elites to challenge the league? I'm suggesting just for the sake of activity, practice, and fun we allow members of the league to challenge it, while retaining their spots (obviously having another person fill their own place for their own place in the league). Such as; say Euphoric wants to challenge the league. But he's already an elite. (I think) He shouldn't have to relinquish his position, just to have a go at it. Someone can sub his position, and can challenge it like normal. And during his challenge, he can also maintain his role if anyone else should challenge it, as long as they clearly distinguish the battles purpose and place beforehand. (ie; this is me as a challenger facing your gym. Or; this is your challenge against my gym. Should only be confusing IF two people are actually on the league and both challenging at the same time.)

Tetra said:
Am I allowed to participate in this? I've just read most of the thread. I'd like to apply as a
Ice/Fairy user on XY :3
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You sure are - we're actually looking for skilled and active members to fill a few more spots. Let me know if you have time for a battle or two on X/Y through PM, not to decide if you get in or anything, you're already fine lol. Just to see where you're at and stuffff.

Zekrom said:
I more or less agree with this. We should took at Leader expulsion on a case by case basis in regards to losses (the other stuff, such as inactivity or getting banned is easy enough, that's basically an auto expulsion). Perhaps ten consecutive losses is a little high, but we don't want it to be low either. I think that 10 should be a rough guideline and not a strict rule. I also second what you're saying about the Champion; unless there's been a drastic change in the league roster since they last became champ, they shouldn't have to do all the Gym Leaders again. The E4 and current champ is enough, since they've already proved that they are a skilled battler.


Also, about new Gym Leaders: I think we should wait on assigning them types since we started going back up the list. They can pick their types from what's left. New people will be at the bottom anyway, and while all the slots aren't filled right now, we have enough people to at least get started with the battles.
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It should always be decided by deliberation - yeah I agree as well. When I listed off those terms before, perhaps those could be used as grounds for dismissal, not immediate expulsion. ie; (don't hate me TGM I'm just using you as an example) let's say TGM loses 10 battles in a row. I don't think he should be immediately out of the league because of that alone. We should probably have a number of people look at who the challengers were, how close the battles were, how well TGM has been doing in other aspects (is he here often, is he not keeping challengers waiting all that) and consider all those things. The hitting 10 losses in a row, or losing 5 times without KO'ing a single pokemon, is just a qualification, or a trigger - for being considered for dropping out of the league. What I'm trying to say is - those should be reasons that we set in place, that people *can* be dismissed for.

Tetra said:
I'm fine with Normal Type as a primary type and Fairy as a second. I just need to get officially signed and I'll get to work ^_^
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Um. I don't want anybody to be upset about this - so is everyone cool with Tetra getting Normal / Fairy? Normal was legitimately one of the last types left on the first round, and being at the bottom would've given him/her first pick for fairy on the way back up anyways, is that alright?
 
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Polar Spectrum said:
Um. I don't want anybody to be upset about this - so is everyone cool with Tetra getting Normal / Fairy? Normal was legitimately one of the last types left on the first round, and being at the bottom would've given him/her first pick for fairy on the way back up anyways, is that alright?
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I'm cool to compromise but is normal able to be picked again? I was originally going to go steel water or steel fairy until the draft got reversed lol, and settled on normal afterwards (chansey and ditto are nice in this format) .
 
Exile said:
I'm cool to compromise but is normal able to be picked again? I was originally going to go steel water or steel fairy until the draft got reversed lol, and settled on normal afterwards (chansey and ditto are nice in this format) .
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Think so. Just think of it as Tetra picking Normal the first time around and then picking Fairy for the second round, allowing Normal to be open.
 
Zekrom, why the "Elite A, Leader 2" crap? Just list them. Don't use meaningless headings like that.

Exile said:
I'm cool to compromise but is normal able to be picked again? I was originally going to go steel water or steel fairy until the draft got reversed lol, and settled on normal afterwards (chansey and ditto are nice in this format) .
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Normal was now technically the final pick of the first trip down. Fairy and Ice (what was requested) would have both been available, and he chose Fairy for the second type. His selections do NOT affect anything (except Fairy's availability). Continue on. And yes, Normal is up for grabs.

Polar Spectrum said:
It seems unfair to allow leaders / elites to challenge the league? I'm suggesting just for the sake of activity, practice, and fun we allow members of the league to challenge it, while retaining their spots (obviously having another person fill their own place for their own place in the league). Such as; say Euphoric wants to challenge the league. But he's already an elite. (I think) He shouldn't have to relinquish his position, just to have a go at it. Someone can sub his position, and can challenge it like normal. And during his challenge, he can also maintain his role if anyone else should challenge it, as long as they clearly distinguish the battles purpose and place beforehand. (ie; this is me as a challenger facing your gym. Or; this is your challenge against my gym. Should only be confusing IF two people are actually on the league and both challenging at the same time.)
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Did my prior comments breed or something?

No, leaders can bow out and challenge the league, but for simplicity I think it's better to challenge as a challenger, not as a league member. Elite Four the same, and someone will take that person's place in the E4. We need an internal mechanic for that.

Given how Gym Leaders are in the anime (I've never seen one challenge to become a member of the E4, or any reference to such a thing), I suggest Leaders only be called upon by the Pokémon League (that will be Zekrom and co. eventually) to fill a gap, or a battle challenge be set forth to decide a suitable replacement should someone move on.

Um. I don't want anybody to be upset about this - so is everyone cool with Tetra getting Normal / Fairy? Normal was legitimately one of the last types left on the first round, and being at the bottom would've given him/her first pick for fairy on the way back up anyways, is that alright?
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I was the one to bring up the Round 1 leftovers. So yes, since I guided the selection.
 
Zekrom said:
I dropped off my post and Adam's post at the Day Care, and they had babies. This is what they look like:
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So, whatcha all think of it so far? And did I forget important things, because I get the feeling I did.
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looks great! some css would make it 10/10 but it looks great without it anyways XD
 
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Cyclone said:
Zekrom, why the "Elite A, Leader 2" crap? Just list them. Don't use meaningless headings like that.
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Ok. It's still a bit of a rough draft, so there's still little issues like that.

Normal was now technically the final pick of the first trip down. Fairy and Ice (what was requested) would have both been available, and he chose Fairy for the second type. His selections do NOT affect anything (except Fairy's availability). Continue on. And yes, Normal is up for grabs.
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Polar Spectrum said:
Um. I don't want anybody to be upset about this - so is everyone cool with Tetra getting Normal / Fairy? Normal was legitimately one of the last types left on the first round, and being at the bottom would've given him/her first pick for fairy on the way back up anyways, is that alright?
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I'd kinda rather that anyone who joined after Ozyamndias has to wait to pick their types until after the rest of us pick our 2nd one, but I personally won't be upset if we don't do it that way. I just really want this type picking thing to be done already.

Did my prior comments breed or something?

No, leaders can bow out and challenge the league, but for simplicity I think it's better to challenge as a challenger, not as a league member. Elite Four the same, and someone will take that person's place in the E4. We need an internal mechanic for that.

Given how Gym Leaders are in the anime (I've never seen one challenge to become a member of the E4, or any reference to such a thing), I suggest Leaders only be called upon by the Pokémon League (that will be Zekrom and co. eventually) to fill a gap, or a battle challenge be set forth to decide a suitable replacement should someone move on.
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I think that the idea was that Leaders/Elites can challenge the league for fun while still being a part of the league or something?

@Ozymandias: Thanks =) I don't really know how to do CSS though, so unless someone else does, it's probably gonna look more or less like this. I like your theme btw.


Also, I'll bump the list up here:

1st: Exile / Steel
2nd: Euphoric / Dragon
3rd: Polar Spectrum - / Flying
4th: Zekrom / Fire
5th: Charizard Man - / Ground
6th: TGM - / Water
7th: Fokko / Grass
8th: Cyclone / Dark
9th: enigma / Fairy
10th: BlueBoi / Ice
11th: AdamEternal / Electric
12th: Falkbalk / Rock
13th: Ultraviolence / Bug & Water
14th: Ferraligator /Ghost & Dark
15th: Ozymandias / Psychic & Electric
16th: Tetra:

Put in Antebellum's new name and added Tetra to the list.

Remaining Types

Normal
Fire
Fighting
Flying
Grass
Poison
Ground
Psychic
Rock
Ice
Bug
Dragon
Ghost
Steel
Fairy
 
Zekrom said:
I dropped off my post and Adam's post at the Day Care, and they had babies. This is what they look like:
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So, whatcha all think of it so far? And did I forget important things, because I get the feeling I did.
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I went through and did a look - over in bold and stuff, pretty sweet though I gotta say :D It's a huge help you doing all this mate.

Exile said:
I'm cool to compromise but is normal able to be picked again? I was originally going to go steel water or steel fairy until the draft got reversed lol, and settled on normal afterwards (chansey and ditto are nice in this format) .
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Um, nobody's claimed it on the second round, going from the bottom up yet, so yea it should be. Unless someone else takes it :U I would but Flying Normal... probably doesn't bode well for me lol. So yeah, you could get Normal if it's there again by the time it comes back up to you.
 
Cyclone said:
Did my prior comments breed or something?

No, leaders can bow out and challenge the league, but for simplicity I think it's better to challenge as a challenger, not as a league member. Elite Four the same, and someone will take that person's place in the E4. We need an internal mechanic for that.
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Well hangon, are you saying leaders should have to 'bow out' and relinquish their positions to have to earn them back again in order to challenge? Or are we saying the same thing, and we're both missing it hahah. What I'm saying, is *while* they retain a position in the league, as in - other non-league challengers still have to face them for their badge, leaders / elites can make challenges against the league, where they do it like normal, except someone substitutes for the spot where they would play themselves. Because I think it's a little harsh to have to drop out of the league to challenge it. Even if we don't want a champion spot, just to challenge the league for the sake of earning badges, and testing the system.

Ultraviolence said:
I thought that post was quite great actually, Zekrom. I may or may not ATTEMPT to code up some CSS, if you'd like.

EDIT: This has probably been discuss but slipped my mind - can individual leaders set the format for their gym? Like singles/doubles etc? Also - would we be permitted to change our teams up every once and a while?
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Yyyyyes - I was asking that earlier, or more specifically, I know we're all in agreement that in X/Y leaders pick the battle format, but I was curious if we wanted to extend that to Showdown or not? I know we can't shuffle tiers because that would invalidate teams challengers had picked, but is it possible or feasible to allow Showdown leaders to pick formats in regards to singles / doubles too?

Someone with more Showdown knowledge than myself plz lol
 
Charizard_Man said:
Woah there, chill pill my dude. The headings dont hurt anyone, maybe they're used to indicate the order the challengers must take
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I am quite cool. :) I may suggest other improvements later, but that stood out to me. There is no pre-set order, either (this isn't Kalos, it's a discussion forum!).
 
Ultraviolence said:
I thought that post was quite great actually, Zekrom. I may or may not ATTEMPT to code up some CSS, if you'd like.

EDIT: This has probably been discuss but slipped my mind - can individual leaders set the format for their gym? Like singles/doubles etc? Also - would we be permitted to change our teams up every once and a while?
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You can give the CSS a shot if you feel up to it. Just don't feel like you have to do it.

And yeah, leaders can choose if they're going to do Singles/Doubles/whatever. I had assumed that everyone in the Showdown part was gonna do singles, but we might as well make it so everyone can choose (I think Polar mentioned it anyway). I'm pretty sure that we were going to allow ourselves to change our teams whenever we want (within reason), but I don't exactly remember what we decided; can someone confirm/deny this?

And making some edits to the OP thing:

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Alright, so how about now? Anyone have any issues with the rules and/or formatting?

Polar, I did take most of what you said into account except for the thing about disconnects because I can't remember half the stuff that was discussed about DCs.

Ultraviolence said:
as far as I'm aware we can create custom games on showdown. Not sure. I think it eradicates tiers but again, not sure.
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Showdown does have an option for double battles. I'm not sure if it follows the tier system for singles or not, I'd have to check.
 
Ok... this just hit me a while a go, forgot, and just remembered, that there could be (or could have been) a better way to decide on the gym types and make it easier on the leaders and elite. Which I think SHOULD be discussed in detail. I'll explain why as you read. *voltorb used selfdestruct*

1) Ok, it's TWO separate leagues... X/Y & Showdown.
***Why didn't we divide the list for people who were in xy to pick from all types? And all types for showdown? Just asking since they're separate, and none have to do with each other.


2) Has anyone seen the difference between the gym leaders and elite four? As far as i know, none. They both use 6 pokemon and are set to types. We are all aware that the elite IS stronger than the leaders, but that doesnt change with what i said above.
**Maybe to make it simpler on challenger, and differenciate the gyms and elite, gyms could use 3-5 pokes (just my opinion, open for discussion, and just brining it up! Nothing has to change if no one likes lol) while the challenger uses just as many pokes as the leader.

Example: Ferraligator vs challenger, 4 vs 4 doubles
Cyclone 5 vs 5 singles...

So on and so forth. *electrode used explosion*
 
Ferraligator said:
2) Has anyone seen the difference between the gym leaders and elite four? As far as i know, none. They both use 6 pokemon and are set to types. We are all aware that the elite IS stronger than the leaders, but that doesnt change with what i said above.
**Maybe to make it simpler on challenger, and differenciate the gyms and elite, gyms could use 3-5 pokes (just my opinion, open for discussion, and just brining it up! Nothing has to change if no one likes lol) while the challenger uses just as many pokes as the leader.

Example: Ferraligator vs challenger, 4 vs 4 doubles
Cyclone 5 vs 5 singles...

So on and so forth. *electrode used explosion*
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I don't know if we really need to differentiate between the Gym Leaders and the Elites that much. I still think its best for all battles to be 6v6; less hassle for people trying to deal with all the different numbers, and remember, while we don't want this to be impossible, we don't want it to be too easy either.

But does anyone else have anything to say on this matter?

Charizard_Man said:
Hmmm I would think X/Y should also abide by those same rules just to have some continuity and as to not confuse challengers. Just my opinion
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Eh, that doesn't sound like a bad idea now that I think about it. Maybe I'll change that bit the next time I edit the OP thing.....
 
Charizard_Man said:
Hmmm I would think X/Y should also abide by those same rules just to have some continuity and as to not confuse challengers. Just my opinion
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Yeah, I already advised Tetra that Mega Kangaskhan is considered banned competitively, as it was going to be chosen. I said normal Kangaskhan is fine, but no Mega Stone, use another item. Persian came up for consideration, then a full team roster was roughly constructed with a suggestion of Azumarill from Polar (I approved). :)

So I'm already advising on the rules under the assumption that Smogon rules will be the government here.
 
It's kinda cool looking at the selected dual types and seeing what Pokemon they can use. Still frighteningly powerful:

13th: Ultraviolence / Bug & Water
Clearly, a rain team with Scizor would kill it. Could also use a Mega Pinsir or Heracross, then the typical water pokes like Greninja, Lanturn as a special wall.

14th: Ferraligator / Ghost & Dark
Open to Aegislash, Trevenant, with Sableye able to be used for either type. Tyranitar and Greninja also viable dark types.

15th: Ozymandias / Psychic & Electric
A little more interesting on this one, but I can definitely see a Gardevoir or Gallade making an appearance. Rotom in any form would be a good option too.

16th: Tetra / Normal & Fairy
Staraptor is a pretty potent normal type, then Fairy can use competitive pokes like Klefki, Mawile, Togekiss and Gardevoir.
 
Zekrom said:
I don't know if we really need to differentiate between the Gym Leaders and the Elites that much. I still think its best for all battles to be 6v6; less hassle for people trying to deal with all the different numbers, and remember, while we don't want this to be impossible, we don't want it to be too easy either.

But does anyone else have anything to say on this matter?
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Well i doubt that would be hard to keep track since we would have info, description under each leader before the challenger... challenges us lol.

Either way it was just a thought to make it unique. I dont mind 6v6 to be honest.
 
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