Prism League Discussion (Previously "Our own Pokemon X/Y League")

[Polar Spectrum]

I have seen neither hide nor hair of Dialga812, Falkbalk, or Ozymandias since the beta has begun.

Seeing as tomorrow is Thursday, the fourth day since the beta launch - iiiiii think substituting other leaders in their place is in order if they haven't taken at least a challenger or two by then.

 

[Nah]

Btw, about subbing for other leaders....if one of us has to sub for someone else, what team should we use?

 

[Polar Spectrum]

I was thinking their gyms type, to keep as much legitimacy as possible - probably harder on 3Ds than showdown, but I know I could do that for most types. Probably stick to their battle format too.

And if there are multiple subs available - maybe let the challenger pick to slightly make up for having to wait?

 

[Cyclone]

I was thinking their gyms type, to keep as much legitimacy as possible - probably harder on 3Ds than showdown, but I know I could do that for most types. Probably stick to their battle format too.

And if there are multiple subs available - maybe let the challenger pick to slightly make up for having to wait?

This is where Adam can jump in as a temporary leader. When someone is absent, or is known to be going to be absent for a while, he can just have three standbys for each type and put together a team from those standbys, then take the challenge.

Of course, if it's known someone will be gone, lending him your actual team is another option.

 

[AdamEternal]

This is where Adam can jump in as a temporary leader. When someone is absent, or is known to be going to be absent for a while, he can just have three standbys for each type and put together a team from those standbys, then take the challenge.

Of course, if it's known someone will be gone, lending him your actual team is another option.

I will need a heads-up long before I actually have to stand in. I'm veeeery slow at putting together a team, and I have restrictions put on my by my parents, and I've got a few projects going on at the same time.
But if no one else is an option, then yeah, I could work, as I suggested before. Although the challenger would get the badge every time I'm standing in.

 

[Nah]

I don't think that we wanna leave it to only Adam to sub for everyone. That's giving him a lot of crap to do. We don't need to officially designate someone as a sub Gym Leader; just whoever's available at the time will do.

I can sometimes sub for people in the 3DS division (well, both divisions really). It just depends on what I have to do for my team.

 

[Polar Spectrum]

Well here's my dilemma right now; Dialga812 hasn't even picked types for their gym yet. and along with MegaSeeker, who stays online for all of like 5 minutes at a time lol (love you mega but COME ONNNNN xD ) are the last 2 badges I need. Every other leader has been very present and approachable for a match.

So who heck and which flippin' type do I play for Dialga's badge though???

 

[Cyclone]

Well here's my dilemma right now; Dialga812 hasn't even picked types for their gym yet. and along with MegaSeeker, who stays online for all of like 5 minutes at a time lol (love you mega but COME ONNNNN xD ) are the last 2 badges I need. Every other leader has been very present and approachable for a match.

So who heck and which flippin' type do I play for Dialga's badge though???

Let's keep in mind this is a beta. I presume any results will not be permanent, though it is possible that those who take part can themselves create a Gym if they are active.

 

[Krystia]

I can sort of Sub for one of the gym leaders. The only problem is that none of the 3DS division match with my old gyms...


There are some questions I want to put on (It might be here already, but I haven't read it. If you can give me the post where it was; I will really appreciate it.):
1. Limiting each trainers with 6 Pokemons is really really stressful. First of all, there are double and single matches. This rule is not well constructed, if a trainer has his team only prepared for single matches it most likely not going to work well on double and same for doubles. Secondly, if the trainer has a team prepared for double battle, most of the move-sets will be kind of pointless such as Mat-block. I do understand that you can switch EV, Moveset, or anything to those Pokemons. However, not all pokemons are made for doubles IMO.

2. Sub leaders: If a GYM leader did not show up for a looooooooooooooong time. Kind of waiting for it will feels like giving free badges like Volker did. :C

3. Insert Something here.....

My solutions to those 3 things are:

Pokemon limitation:

1. Allows each trainer (challengers) to have 2 teams a Double team and Single teams (Not allowing to switch between them). These will help both trainers and GYM leader to have both type of Team ready to face each other.

2. Limiting each trainers with 8 to 10 Pokemons. I am not sure if you guys knows the rules for Pokemon WC. They do (I believe it is call) flat battles. Where you have 6 pokemons you chose only 4 to battle. Since we are doing a 6v6 each trainer will be able to switch Pokemons in case of double battles and have a little more variations and fairness. (Also by saying you can switch your EV and moveset any time sounds like "you can go ahead and hack your pokemons whatever you feel like"

Sub Leaders:
3. Since there are some missing GYM leaders who are not showing up. We can either "create a new GYM because our current gym leader went to Hoenn for the Jirachi Festival, please go to <insert user the replacement gym leader city or name" or"I, <insert name here>, will take over <inser gym or user name> gym temporary" and let them have whatever type they want.

4. Every GYM leaders has their needs since we are all human being. In each of their name let them have A) Their FC B) the time they are available to battle which day C)their GYM name with the badge D) something something something .... E) since every trainer has to list their team. I believe gym leaders should be fair and list their team and post it.

4.5) Each challengers post their team you can put their team in the main page on a little

Spoiler:

I am awesome

Insert something here

5. This correspond for point 3. To make the League more fun. I used to play a game on Facebook, where my team win and we write like a little journal about how our battle went. Just to make it fun and entertaining. For example:
"Today, I challenge Krystia, using my Pikachu and I beat his Latias with Thunderbolt... and so on blahblahblah." Just for fun. If you want I can show you how in the Main page. At the end of the league you award them with best "I went in an ADVENTURE!"

 

[Polar Spectrum]

I can sort of Sub for one of the gym leaders. The only problem is that none of the 3DS division match with my old gyms...


There are some questions I want to put on (It might be here already, but I haven't read it. If you can give me the post where it was; I will really appreciate it.):
1. Limiting each trainers with 6 Pokemons is really really stressful. First of all, there is double and single matches. This rule is not well constructed, if a trainer has his team only prepared for single matches it most likely not going to work well. Secondly, if the trainer has a team prepared for double battle, most of the move-sets will be kind of pointless such as Mat-block. I do understand that you can switch EV, Moveset, or anything to those Pokemons. However, not all pokemons are made for doubles IMO.

2. Sub leaders: If a GYM leader did not show up for a looooooooooooooong time. Kind of waiting for it will feels like giving free badges like Volker did. :C

3. Insert Something here.....

My solutions to those 2 things are:

1. Allows each trainer (challengers) to have 2 teams a Double team and Single teams (Not allowing to switch between them). These will help both trainers and GYM leader to have both type of Team ready to face each other.
2. Limiting each trainers with 8 to 10 Pokemons. I am not sure if you guys knows the rules for Pokemon WC. They do (I believe it is call) flat battles. Where you have 6 pokemons you chose only 4 to battle. Since we are doing a 6v6 each trainer will be able to switch Pokemons in case of double battles and have a little more variations and fairness. (Also by saying you can switch your EV and moveset any time sounds like "you can go ahead and hack your pokemons whatever you feel like"
3. Sub Leaders: Since there are some missing GYM leaders who are not showing up. We can either "create a new GYM because our current gym leader went to Hoenn for exploration: I, <insert name here>, will take over <inser gym or user name> gym temporary" and let them have whatever type they want.
4. Every GYM leaders has their needs since we are all human being. In each of their name let them have A) Their FC B) the time they are available to battle which day C)their GYM name with the badge D) something something something ....
5. This correspond for point 3. To make the League more fun. I used to play a game on Facebook, where my team win and we write like a little journal about how our battle went. Just to make it fun and entertaining. For example:
"Today, I challenge Krystia, using my Pikachu and I beat his Latias with Thunderbolt... and so on blahblahblah." Just for fun

Yaaay feedback :D Thank you, first of all - Krystia, for taking the time to share your opinions and experience with the league so far. We could really use more of that. I really liked some of the ideas you had there too, like the explanation for where absent leaders went hahah. However, I do think most of what we set in place, after the deliberation for the last 40 or so pages where we hammered out rules and stuff, still proves effective for the kind of experience this league aims to offer.

1) The limitation of 6 pokemon per challenger - personally, I haven't had too much issue with this on my challenge so far. Some matches were closer, because of type matchups not giving me an advantage, or giving the leader one - but others were easier to me for the same reason. And because of Zekrom's suggestion of allowing challengers to adjust movesets and builds so long as you use the same team of 6 at any time, I've been able to make sure I've always got a move to hit super effective for coverage, or a pokemon that can take an attack of a certain type. And on singles/doubles play; there's only one doubles player in the showdown half, early in the league, and I don't think that's goingn to threaten Showdown players too much. In the X/Y half, while there are predominantly singles with a few doubles league members, changing pokemon builds items and movesets still seems like an ample opportunity to compensate for pokemon's individual viability in either format. Have you seen the World Championships from earlier this week? The world champ (no lie) shut down his opponent HARD with Pachirisu. I mean hard. By this, I suggest that any pokemon can be invaluable, just given that it's used the right way in the right situation. Part of the challenge of the league itself is to find a combination of 6 pokemon you can use effectively in all the situations you'll be put in going against all the leaders and elites.

(wow what a wall of text. ew.)

2. On the missing leaders, heh well - this I agree with. It vexes me. So I think we're kind of working towards dealing that as a group. :I We need more active gym leaders, in fact if you'd like to hop on I'm sure soon there will be at least one spot in both the 3DS and Showdown division. There is a solution that was proposed recently to the absentee leaders though.

3. On the making it more fun - we cooould, do something like a battle journal, I supposssse. That actually sounds pretty neat. Maybe leave that up to challengers though :n

 

[Nah]

I can sort of Sub for one of the gym leaders. The only problem is that none of the 3DS division match with my old gyms...


There are some questions I want to put on (It might be here already, but I haven't read it. If you can give me the post where it was; I will really appreciate it.):
1. Limiting each trainers with 6 Pokemons is really really stressful. First of all, there are double and single matches. This rule is not well constructed, if a trainer has his team only prepared for single matches it most likely not going to work well on double and same for doubles. Secondly, if the trainer has a team prepared for double battle, most of the move-sets will be kind of pointless such as Mat-block. I do understand that you can switch EV, Moveset, or anything to those Pokemons. However, not all pokemons are made for doubles IMO.

2. Sub leaders: If a GYM leader did not show up for a looooooooooooooong time. Kind of waiting for it will feels like giving free badges like Volker did. :C

3. Insert Something here.....

My solutions to those 3 things are:

Pokemon limitation:

1. Allows each trainer (challengers) to have 2 teams a Double team and Single teams (Not allowing to switch between them). These will help both trainers and GYM leader to have both type of Team ready to face each other.

2. Limiting each trainers with 8 to 10 Pokemons. I am not sure if you guys knows the rules for Pokemon WC. They do (I believe it is call) flat battles. Where you have 6 pokemons you chose only 4 to battle. Since we are doing a 6v6 each trainer will be able to switch Pokemons in case of double battles and have a little more variations and fairness. (Also by saying you can switch your EV and moveset any time sounds like "you can go ahead and hack your pokemons whatever you feel like"

Sub Leaders:
3. Since there are some missing GYM leaders who are not showing up. We can either "create a new GYM because our current gym leader went to Hoenn for exploration". "I, <insert name here>, will take over <inser gym or user name> gym temporary" and let them have whatever type they want.

4. Every GYM leaders has their needs since we are all human being. In each of their name let them have A) Their FC B) the time they are available to battle which day C)their GYM name with the badge D) something something something .... E) since every trainer has to list their team. I believe gym leaders should be fair and list their team and post it.

4.5) Each challengers post their team you can put their team in the main page on a little

Spoiler:

I am awesome

Insert something here

5. This correspond for point 3. To make the League more fun. I used to play a game on Facebook, where my team win and we write like a little journal about how our battle went. Just to make it fun and entertaining. For example:
"Today, I challenge Krystia, using my Pikachu and I beat his Latias with Thunderbolt... and so on blahblahblah." Just for fun. If you want I can show you how in the Main page. At the end of the league you award them with best "I went in an ADVENTURE!"

Ya know, that thing about having a Singles Team and a Doubles team is a good idea. Should we go with that instead guys?

We aren't handing out badges for free; we've already decided that inactive gym leaders will be replaced with more active people for challengers to face. Also, if we go with the having a singles and a doubles team idea, I don't really see the need to let challengers have 8-10 pokes instead of just 6. 6 for one team and 6 for another is enough if you ask me.

I also don't really think that we need to post our teams for the challengers to see; our restriction is that we have to stick with 2 types, and the challengers know what our types are. Sounds fair enough to me.

I think that several of us have made a post somewhere in the challenge thread stating when we are available to battle. Some of us have our FCs in our sigs, and all our names in the OP are linked to our profile pages.

As for the little battle journal thing....we can just leave that up to each individual leader. If they want to do that, go ahead. If they don't, that's fine too.

 

[Polar Spectrum]

Ya know, that thing about having a Singles Team and a Doubles team is a good idea. Should we go with that instead guys?
.

If everyone else thinks that would work better, I'll go with it. If it comes to a vote though, I woulllllld vote no on that. I think we went over it before, but picking a rounded, all competitive level team, with wide coverage, solid strategy, and cohesively working together seems like an advantage that combined with being able to alter movesets, builds, items and such - surpasses the disadvantage of having pokemon that may be better in one format vs another. Especially when the leaders, whichever format they choose - can't pick the best pokemon for either format to go with one another to make a full team out of - because again, type locks.

 

[Blueboi22]

Won against Sharkshocker but it was an awesome battle. He would have had me if it weren't for a miss:

8QYW-WWWW-WWW9-92BY

 

[Nah]

Won against Sharkshocker but it was an awesome battle. He would have had me if it weren't for a miss:

8QYW-WWWW-WWW9-92BY

This goes in the other thread....


Also, apparently Falkbak isn't dead: https://www.pokecommunity.com/posts/8408593/

 

[Krystia]

If everyone else thinks that would work better, I'll go with it. If it comes to a vote though, I woulllllld vote no on that. I think we went over it before, but picking a rounded, all competitive level team, with wide coverage, solid strategy, and cohesively working together seems like an advantage that combined with being able to alter movesets, builds, items and such - surpasses the disadvantage of having pokemon that may be better in one format vs another. Especially when the leaders, whichever format they choose - can't pick the best pokemon for either format to go with one another to make a full team out of - because again, type locks.

I like better the idea of have 2 to 4 extra pokemons (2 EXTRA IS BETTER, 4 is a bit off BUT WHY NOT?), so we don't have to bother getting our pokemons changing movesets and stuff. it will help us all to get it lock in a specific way. True about type disadvantage, but com'n a good GYM leader will never leave be in their disadvantage if you know how to deal with it like that pachirisu vs garchomp :V

Ya know, that thing about having a Singles Team and a Doubles team is a good idea. Should we go with that instead guys?

We aren't handing out badges for free; we've already decided that inactive gym leaders will be replaced with more active people for challengers to face. Also, if we go with the having a singles and a doubles team idea, I don't really see the need to let challengers have 8-10 pokes instead of just 6. 6 for one team and 6 for another is enough if you ask me.

I also don't really think that we need to post our teams for the challengers to see; our restriction is that we have to stick with 2 types, and the challengers know what our types are. Sounds fair enough to me.

I think that several of us have made a post somewhere in the challenge thread stating when we are available to battle. Some of us have our FCs in our sigs, and all our names in the OP are linked to our profile pages.

As for the little battle journal thing....we can just leave that up to each individual leader. If they want to do that, go ahead. If they don't, that's fine too.

For the BOLD, I believe you haven't realized it yet. "Both league members and challengers must save all battle videos/Showdown replays and post them here so we can confirm a challenger's victory."
my question are: do you believe there are no cheaters?
The suck thing about this if you post,we can check EVEN their moveset. You guys might have to re-think about this idea.

Underline: Post it on the main page will be easier for the challengers to just add them, and then when you challenge te gym leader they will just add the challengers.

 

[Blueboi22]

This goes in the other thread....


Also, apparently Falkbak isn't dead: https://www.pokecommunity.com/posts/8408593/

Yeah I just noticed I put this in the wrong thread. Sorry

 

[Nah]

For the BOLD, I believe you haven't realized it yet. "Both league members and challengers must save all battle videos/Showdown replays and post them here so we can confirm a challenger's victory."
my question are: do you believe there are no cheaters?
The suck thing about this if you post,we can check EVEN their moveset. You guys might have to re-think about this idea.

I really wouldn't be surprised if people looked at our battle videos and tried to analyze our teams in order to come up with a counter-team. But the thing is, you can't make a team that'll counter every single one of us. I'd like to think that the vast majority of challengers won't do that though. And if there are people that do, I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it.

Underline: Post it on the main page will be easier for the challengers to just add them, and then when you challenge te gym leader they will just add the challengers.

I guess we could do that, though they still need to contact the league member anyway.

 

[Krystia]

For the lock team idea.

I just search one of my OLD GYM leader thingy. i hope this help:

Spoiler:

As many of you know, a lot of gym leaders are offline most of time or gone or went into an adventure with ash mayonnaise and his friends. I decided to become a temporary gym leader with my pokemon Y and leave my elite four for my pokemon X (which is I developed) the elite four will still be water type. I will substitute, rajat who haven't log in since last year. I will be using Steel types.

Mini Rules

Spoiler:

Hello challengers! I am Perseus and I will be your new Steel Gym Leader until well one of those gym leader shows up again.
To earn the Cinder Badge you need to follow one of the rules:

Mini rule
Option one:
You can only use different type of Pokemons. You cannot use the same type of Pokemon twice example: You cannot have a Water and another Water/Flying or Water type pokemons. You can only have one. Therefore, you must use 6 (or 12 if all your pokemons are duo types) different type of Pokemons.

or

Option two:
You cannot use either of the following type: Ground, Fire, Fighting types Pokemon. You can use those type of pokemons moves. (Be creative, I love trainers with a lot of creativity)

Reasoning: To maintain a competitive and entertaining battle for both challengers. It will be really boring if you have a full team of fire type pokemons 1) I will be in a big disadvantage 2) It will be boring or else I will of just give you a free badge for it.

Anyways, other than that it will be a 3vs3 single standard battle. No ubers and following the Smogon competitive rules
if you don't know them here is the website where you can find it https://www.smogon.com/xyhub/tiers

I am right now accepting challengers

Flushed won the Cinder Badge :)

Let GYM leader have their own rule and post it on the main page. Challengers will be post decide to whom to battle first ~ and there will be not disadvantage and be a win-win for both of them.

I really wouldn't be surprised if people looked at our battle videos and tried to analyze our teams in order to come up with a counter-team. But the thing is, you can't make a team that'll counter every single one of us. I'd like to think that the vast majority of challengers won't do that though. And if there are people that do, I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it.

That's why I said the post the team into another spoiler. its up to them to know what pokemon to use the fact that GYM leader will have 8 to 10 instead of 6 you never know what pokemon he/she will use :)

 

[Krystia]

This is an example from another game Top Eleven, a lot of players they post their game match and I find this fascinating. I encourage our fellow trainers to do the same.

Spoiler:

Simon 'Pasta' Creegan: - Team: The Chimera
Yesterday marked a big accomplishment for me and my team, The Chimera. We played in our very first Champions League Semi-Final! As we were away first, and fearing we would be at a disadvantage, I tried getting help on here with formations so I could comfortably win the First Leg. I didn't get any help... So, freaking out at how we were not going to do well (and put a second loss on this Season's Match Stats) I went into the game hoping to do well. After 9 mins, I was put at ease a little. Klose netting the first goal of the night. Yet my opposition constantly got Counter-Attack chances, which started to worry me. Fortunately, after 25 mins, I was much more comfortable, after a spectacular header from Ramos off Klose's Free Kick put us 0-2 up. Half Time arrived shortly after and I decided to put my new signing, Pirlo, into the game. Off to a great start, he set up a good opportunity for Rodriguez, but couldn't convert it. However, in the 86th minute, he took it upon himself to rifle a shot into the back of the net and we won the game 0-3. We go into the Second Leg with a huge advantage, thanks to the 3 Away Goals we scored, but my opposition keeps changing his formations. Afraid of having the same thing happen to us at home, I would be grateful if people could assist me in picking out a good counter strategy to win tomorrow night.

Same news in the League, another Victory - Still Unbeaten- and we are now 13 points clear of 2nd with 4 games remaining. Can The Chimera defend their League Title? Can they make it to the Champions League Final and claim their first Champions League Trophy and a Double? Stay tuned to find out more! :P

 

[Polar Spectrum]

Also, apparently Falkbak isn't dead: https://www.pokecommunity.com/posts/8408593/

I saw that, and have mixed feelings. Falkbalksu -why don't you love us enough to be around here </3

But at least he's taking challengers. Yay.

I like better the idea of have 2 to 4 extra pokemons (2 EXTRA IS BETTER, 4 is a bit off BUT WHY NOT?), so we don't have to bother getting our pokemons changing movesets and stuff. it will help us all to get it lock in a specific way. True about type disadvantage, but com'n a good GYM leader will never leave be in their disadvantage if you know how to deal with it like that pachirisu vs garchomp :V



For the BOLD, I believe you haven't realized it yet. "Both league members and challengers must save all battle videos/Showdown replays and post them here so we can confirm a challenger's victory."
my question are: do you believe there are no cheaters?
The suck thing about this if you post,we can check EVEN their moveset. You guys might have to re-think about this idea.

Um, well while I am against the extra pokemon to swap out idea, I have already kind of felt the pressure of my team not being ideal for certain gyms, and can kinda see extras being a huuuuge help for challengers. Is it too much though? :x I can't say for sure, so maybe wait until a few more people have taken challenges on, and the league's been running a bit longer. If the challenger role seems underpowered or disadvantageous, we can buff them by giving a flex pokemon or two. No way in poke-hell 4 though. :I

And on the scouting teams with replays- heh. It MIGHT have been an issue, maybe - if both leader and challenger weren't allowed to CONSTANTLY change movesets and builds with no warning. And the only other thing that matters, is which pokemon you use. And that's pretty public knowledge anyways, since challenger teams are already tracked, and any leader will always have ONLY pokemon from either of their types. So meh - even with the leader / challenger stalking, it's not going to ruin the game for either side I don't think.