Relationships

[Yusshin]

No Flaming.

What are your thoughts on relationships nowadays? How do you see them?

From how I see it, drama has become the main thing in a relationship. If there's not enough drama, it's just not "exciting" enough for the majority of people. People seem to be trying to incorperate what they see in reality shows into their real-life relationships, when reality shows are unrealistic in regards to happiness in a couple.

Now, the following isn't because of my religion, or my previous one (Christianity). The following is what I believe is wrong with relationships in society today, and why I feel it's wrong. These are morals and values that I've discovered and I live by, and I'd like to see how other people feel about some of these things.

I personally feel that women and men shouldn't expose too much of their body. Why? Because lurking eyes will see exposed skin, and perhaps think obscene things. These comments shouldn't be taken as flattering, but insulting; most people are flattered by it, though, and the partner more often than not thinks they have the "hottest piece of ass" because of it. Mini-skirts, tube-tops, and short-shorts have become appropriate. So has low V-necks. I personally would never wear something like that out of respect - a person's body belongs to themselves, and their partner, and not to the entire world so they can look at it sexually.

Another thing is strip clubs, bars, "gentleman" clubs, and other similar places. Why would someone in a good relationship want to watch a man or a woman flaunt their stuff for money? Why would someone want to see a 1/2 nude body that wasn't theirs or their partner's? Bars are places to pick up men and women for one-night stands. Even in a group, I don't feel that bars are an appropriate place to "hang out". Surely a restaurant bar would be just as fitting. A similar thing would be pornography. Again, why would you want to look at another person's naked body that wasn't yours or your partner's? Surely your partner's body is enough to satisfy you?

Checking out other men / women while in a relationship is another thing, too. When you're in a relationship, you should only find your partner attractive truly. Sure, you can say that "so and so is cute" when it's brought to your attention by another person, but it should be done apathetically, and you shouldn't search for people to compliment and/or drool over. I don't get that at all. Most couples permit this, when it's just showing disloyalty.

Defending your partner is another issue. Most men and women don't even defend their partner when they're ridiculed - they laugh along with it, or say nothing, or murmur "don't do that". They don't stand up for their partner at all. They might even still be friends / hang out with the person who humiliates and talks badly about their partner. I don't know how people can see this as reasonable to do.

Kinkiness is another thing. If you have one woman or one man, why would you want another person to look at you while you're having an intimate moment? It's a sacred thing, and not something done out of pleasure for you or another's prowling eyes. Threesomes, chairs, toys, etc. - why? Why has this stuff become appropriate, when it's truly disgusting at every angle?

My father is one of those prowling men who like early-twenties women, pornography, etc. He disgusts me to no end. Really.

How do you guys feel about the following (I've expressed my views; now, share yours, if desired):

- Revealing clothing / your partner baiting themselves to other men/women
- Strip clubs & bars
- Pornography / checking out other men/women while in a relationship / wandering eyes
- Defending your partner when needed
- Intimacy in general

Try to be broad on that last part. Obviously details would get this thread closed :|

 

[Rogue planet]

In response to all the 'why' questions you've made; everyone's different, everyone has a different perspective on what is and isn't appropriate, aswell as different urges and levels of self-control.

- Revealing clothing / your partner baiting themselves to other men/women
Nudity is nudity, sex is sex. They are two different things. Exposure of the body is not always suggesting sex or "baiting" other people, people wearing swimwear at a pool, for example, aren't all looking for some action; I don't see why being revealing in any other way is different. It wouldn't really bother me, although if other people were gawking over my partner that would bother me, although they would be the source of annoyance rather than my ~revealing partner~ although I doubt anyone I'm with would dress in that fashion anyway seeing as I prefer actual prettiness rather than playboy girl wannabes.

- Strip clubs & bars
To each their own, if someone wants to go there for entertainment, fine by me. I wouldn't though.

- Pornography / checking out other men/women while in a relationship / wandering eyes
Porn doesn't ever interest me so I can't comment on that. Admiring the beauty of another is fine, flirting (or "drooling over" as you put it) would bother me though.

- Defending your partner when needed
Of course I would.

Most men and women don't even defend their partner when they're ridiculed - they laugh along with it, or say nothing, or murmur "don't do that". They don't stand up for their partner at all. They might even still be friends / hang out with the person who humiliates and talks badly about their partner. I don't know how people can see this as reasonable to do.

This is just cowardice, I doubt many people think that it's actually reasonable they're just too cowardly to say anything.

- Intimacy in general

why would you want another person to look at you while you're having an intimate moment? It's a sacred thing, and not something done out of pleasure for you or another's prowling eyes.

You mean being intimate in public? I'll be intimate wherever I want, I don't care if some pervert is getting wet over watching it.
"threesomes" no.
"chairs" lol.
"toys" redundant.

 

[Captain Fabio]

Relationships are wayyy too much effort for what they are in my opinion. Anyway:

- Revealing clothing / your partner baiting themselves to other men/women
If it is in a private area and you are alone, then that is wrong if you are taken.
Bikinis and such on holiday, beach, swimming pool (etc) are fine.

- Strip clubs & bars
Bit of a laugh and nothing bad if you don't take it too far. Been to a few for some 18ths and 21sts, ain't that great.

- Pornography / checking out other men/women while in a relationship / wandering eyes
Guys will always look at porn. End off.

- Defending your partner when needed
A must or you are a crap partner.

- Intimacy in general
Depends but normally no.

 

[Yusshin]

Yeah, this is just an opinion thread really xD Not a debate one.

Obviously bathing suits are different. That serves a purpose - it's a bit, uh, I don't know how to say that. You wouldn't swim in a shirt lol but showing off your body for the purpose of showing off, I see that as rather different than a swimsuit.

You mean being intimate in public? I'll be intimate wherever I want, I don't care if some pervert is getting wet over watching it.

Kissing and such in public is fine. I was meaning, inviting another couple or another man or woman to watch while you perform intimate activities in your home. Not just kissing. You get the idea << I'm just curious why people like that / approve of that / would want to do that.

We're all raised differently. I'd just like to see how other people see these types of things.

- Pornography / checking out other men/women while in a relationship / wandering eyes
Guys will always look at porn. End off.

Not all men, no. My fiance doesn't do that, and neither do I. The majority do look at porn, though, so I see what you mean when you say that.

 

[Rogue planet]

Obviously bathing suits are different. That serves a purpose - it's a bit, uh, I don't know how to say that. You wouldn't swim in a shirt lol but showing off your body for the purpose of showing off, I see that as rather different than a swimsuit.

I know what you mean, I was just saying I don't really see why it's different exposing yourself in other situations. In other cultures nudity is far more accepted as a social norm, unfortunately it seems people are more perverted than that in North America & Europe, so nudity is instantly associated with sex.

Kissing and such in public is fine. I was meaning, inviting another couple or another man or woman to watch while you perform intimate activities in your home. Not just kissing. You get the idea << I'm just curious why people like that / approve of that / would want to do that.

Lmao. Whatever excites them I guess, as long as everyone's consenting and comfortable with it, why not.

 

[Yusshin]

It's different because when you go swimming, you need to wear a swimsuit to be comfortable. Meanwhile, you're perfectly capable of dressing yourself to go to school in comfortable jeans and a covering shirt, and still be attractive / feel nice about yourself. The difference is that men and women are dressing in a way to attract attention, and usually, that attention is sexual and men and women both find it flattering.

That's America for you. If you show your breasts a tiny bit, or wear tight clothing, men will pant as they walk by. It's a country full of perverts.

Canada has been influenced by it, too. Nudity = sexual thoughts. It's disgusting that men and women look at each other and think that way instantly, like a pack of wild dogs.

I noticed a pattern. In places where television is permitted to show sexual and violent themes, men and women are more perverted and violent. Specifically Hollywood movies and reality shows. The new Transformers: Revenge is rated E, and it had a provokative scene that was sexual. They weren't nude, no, but the guy was looking at her breasts and she was on top of him. How is that an "E" film?

I associate most of the perverted issue with Hollywood. Europeans and North Americans <3 Hollywood and reality shows. The rest of the world really doesn't watch Hollywood or American-based TV shows. It seems to be a pattern.

 

[Honest]

- Revealing clothing / your partner baiting themselves to other men/women
Well, revealing of cloths isn't really baiting, as already said. As for my partner, I'd talk to her. I'm not gonna get mad though.
- Strip clubs & bars
For entertainment, fine. As long as they keep themselves level headed
- Pornography / checking out other men/women while in a relationship / wandering eyes
A lot of males look at porn (I admire the ones that don't). Admitingly, I have gone through that path. >_>. As for checking out other people, as long as they don't make a move, I'm preatty lax, actually. As for wandering eyes, to me, the're totally irrelevant.
- Defending your partner when needed
100%. I've very protective
- Intimacy in general
Intimacy in front of others? Ehh... kissing, okay. Hugging, okay. Exposing very intimate stuff, not okay

 

[Fxcking Tatertots]

- Revealing clothing / your partner baiting themselves to other men/women

I would dump them. I understand if it's a decent bikini for a pool/beach/whatever where a bikini is appropriate, but that is the only exception. I hate when my guy looks at other girls in that way.

- Strip clubs & bars

Overrated, and crawled by scum. I like my guys humble and homebodies, not bar crawling and strip club going chauvinists. It's my definition of "he will be an ******* to me if I don't go to the gym 4 times a week or grow a single pimple".

- Pornography / checking out other men/women while in a relationship / wandering eyes

I hate porn. I mean, HATE. It ruined my last relationship. And when a guy I'm in a relationship mentions another girl in a "oh, she's cute" way, I get mad. I'm not exactly the prettiest thing, and in a world full of perfect skin, hair, and the bane of my existence, Photoshopped appearances, I'm considered "ugly". So it makes me feel worse about myself.

- Defending your partner when needed

If he can defend himself, it's fine. Otherwise, the peon will receive either offensive words or a punch in the face, depending on my mood.

- Intimacy in general

As long as it's not turning into "public sex" then it's ok.

INB4 prude or uptight.

 

[Kura]

So basically your argument is.. what you hate about relationships nowadays is wandering eyes, and allowing cheating/ infidelity to be acceptable or appropriate.

I agree with what you're saying, but you pretty much can't stop it. Sexuality and nudity is the same everywhere and you just gotta try to find a guy or girl that you can set up your OWN relationship rules with.
Heck, sure some couples might love pornography and public expose and etc. And others don't. YOU gotta set that standard and tell your girlfriend/ boyfriend what your boundaries are and what's acceptable if you or they are going to stay in the relationship together.

That's what I'm sayin' about this.

 

[Yusshin]

Pretty much. I'm just curious why others find it acceptable. I've never been familiar with that after all. Having the personality I do, it's always been taboo those kinds of things.

I'm just looking to see what others have to say, and why they feel that way, so I can understand better :]

 

[RuRuBell]

I'm a huge contradiction when it comes to this. On one hand, I hate how girls are so sexualized now. It makes me mad when I walk down the street and see girls in shorts that look more like panties. But, you know, it's what they want to wear. I don't like it, I don't wear it.

On the other hand, I like porn (will I be the only one who admits this?), strip clubs, etc, even though I know it's demeaning to women.
I can understand that sexuality is a part of human life. It shouldn't be a HUGE part of it, but it's perfectly normal to look at someone and think that they're attractive. If I had a boyfriend, I wouldn't blame him for checking out other girls. Just because he's with me, doesn't mean all other girls will suddenly become ugly. I think it's only human nature to look at someone who's physically attractive...it'd be a waste of my time and his if I became jealous, and it would strain our relationship. It just seems unfair, too, to demand that he only look at me.

Loyalty is a huge must in a relationship, though...I would never consider someone who would ridicule me in public along with his friends out of cowardice, or whatever else.

 

[Throat]

Basically, I'd be happy with someone who loves me and I can rely on.

I wouldn't date/marry a promiscuous girl, it doesn't mean she can't be open minded, I just don't want to go through things such as jealousy. "Defending your partner", well, as I said, I don't want someone I can't rely on, although I wouldn't let anyone try to ridicule me. About the intimacy, we can't avoid the voyeurs, hehe.

 

[Ayselipera]

I've always been a very open person. I really don't care what the person beside me is doing as long as they aren't hurting anyone else. So when it comes to this stuff I tend to just let it be. To each their own as they say. Sorry this is such a short and not as elegant answer, but I'd just end up saying the same thing to every circumstance you mentioned so I might as well sum it all up here.

 

[Throat]

I've always been a very open person. I really don't care what the person beside me is doing as long as they aren't hurting anyone else. So when it comes to this stuff I tend to just let it be. To each their own as they say. Sorry this is such a short and not as elegant answer, but I'd just end up saying the same thing to every circumstance you mentioned so I might as well sum it all up here.

You mean you wouldn't mind having an open relationship?

 

[shookie]

I've never really had a relationship or anything close to a boyfriend/girlfriend, but I've still picked up on a lot of things from what my friends have gone through...especially since I'm usually caught in the middle. >_>

- Revealing clothing
Depends entirely on the circumstance. Do I want to go to a beach and have my guy show up in a Speedo? No, I think Speedos are only for professional swimmers and need to stay that way. If my guy is more comfortable in one though, I don't want to make him change his shorts just so I'll feel safer.

- Your partner baiting themselves to other men/women
Yeah, I was in the middle of a situation like this, and it's something that's hard to come back from. If you're physically and emotionally uninterested in your partner to the point where you direct all of your attention onto someone more desirable, I don't understand why you would stay with that person. Just having a casual conversation with somebody of the desirable sex is one thing, but flirting and making passes is another.

- Strip clubs & bars
Bars are fine. Most bars have great food and I still have fun with people even if I don't drink. Strip clubs I am completely against, though. It's not because they'd be around other women, even if buddies take them to a strip club for whatever reason, but I've heard some bad stories about the women that work at such places, and I wouldn't want my guy to treat women that way.

- Pornography / checking out other men/women while in a relationship / wandering eyes
I try to live by a "look but don't touch" standard. I can't help it if there are women out there that are more physically attractive than me, and likewise, I also can't help it if there are physically attractive men around. Wandering eyes will happen and to freak out at every quick glance would get tiring and make me seem insecure.
Pornography I'm against as well. Yes, there's some well-done/artistically made footage out there, but most of what's mainstream is very demeaning to women and just, well, ridiculous and unrealistic.

- Defending your partner when needed
I don't even understand how somebody couldn't defend their partner. If I was getting picked on and my guy stood by twiddling his thumbs, I would kick his butt to the curb faster than he could say "sorry." It boggles me that people out there do this on a regular basis and yet the couple stays together.

- Intimacy in general
PDA in terms of hugging, kissing, holding hands and so on within the normal range is fine by me. Smothering each other with love in public gets nauseating after a while. Dealing with people who have "No you hang up first! No you hang up first!" conversations with other people around them makes me want to punch them in the head. Being physically intimate to the point where you need to bust out portable censor bars is definitely crossing the line. Sure, if it doesn't actually involve (errrr) or hurt anybody around them then it's really nobody's business, but that's something that should really be left private.

 

[Ayselipera]

You mean you wouldn't mind having an open relationship?

What I'm trying to say is I don't judge or think badly of people who do have open relationships, look at porn, use sex toys, etc. Every relationship is different and if that's what works for them then great. I personally would have to be in a very trusting and understanding relationship to start an open relationship. So I don't rule it out, but it would take a while for me to agree to something like that.

 

[Reginaldvonburger]

I love my relationship with my boyfriend, and he loves it too. Neither of us would trade the other for anything. He even said he loves me more than Star Wars! haha :P

- Revealing clothing / your partner baiting themselves to other men/women
I think that's wrong, but guys don't tend to wear revealing clothing unless they're a Crossdresser or Femme Homosexual. If they're trying to get other men/women, then well, they don't care about you.
- Strip clubs & bars
I don't see the point in these anyway. It's all "Look but don't touch and if you touch you get an infection".
- Pornography / checking out other men/women while in a relationship / wandering eyes
Me and my boyfriend both have the same views on porn. It would be the same as cheating. We don't see anyone else in a sexual way.
- Defending your partner when needed
Of course. It's only natural. Though, he only needs protection from me hitting him when he licks me or something :P
- Intimacy in general
I love kissing and cuddling my boyfriend, if we're around people then we keep it to a minimum, maybe just a peck or he kisses me on the top of the head, but if we're alone, we act how we want to show our love to one another :)

 

[Cherrim]

Bored Erica is bored on lunch break. Here we go.

I personally feel that women and men shouldn't expose too much of their body. Why? Because lurking eyes will see exposed skin, and perhaps think obscene things. These comments shouldn't be taken as flattering, but insulting; most people are flattered by it, though, and the partner more often than not thinks they have the "hottest piece of ass" because of it. Mini-skirts, tube-tops, and short-shorts have become appropriate. So has low V-necks. I personally would never wear something like that out of respect - a person's body belongs to themselves, and their partner, and not to the entire world so they can look at it sexually.

Of course lurking eyes will see the exposed skin. Tbh, isn't that kind of the point? It's certainly ridiculous for someone to go out dressed provocatively and then take active offense to being oggled, but I would assume most people who dress that way do it on purpose. They want to be noticed, and they want to know they're attractive. Like you said, it's their body and if they want to flaunt it, that's their right. You may disagree but hey, if they're okay with it and their (hypothetical) partner is okay with it, then there shouldn't be a problem.

Besides, if someone is already in a relationship, there shouldn't be a problem anyway because they shouldn't find anyone else in the world attractive, right? ;( So if a single person dresses that way in order to attract other singles, is that still bad? And if someone dresses "provocatively" for their partner who likes it, is that still bad?

Another thing is strip clubs, bars, "gentleman" clubs, and other similar places. Why would someone in a good relationship want to watch a man or a woman flaunt their stuff for money? Why would someone want to see a 1/2 nude body that wasn't theirs or their partner's? Bars are places to pick up men and women for one-night stands. Even in a group, I don't feel that bars are an appropriate place to "hang out". Surely a restaurant bar would be just as fitting. A similar thing would be pornography. Again, why would you want to look at another person's naked body that wasn't yours or your partner's? Surely your partner's body is enough to satisfy you?

...just how many bars have you been to? :s I'll admit I haven't been to many at all since I'm just not into the scene but... you're making it sound like strip clubs and bars are practically interchangeable. There are many reasons to go to a bar. Maybe to watch a sports game with a like-minded crowd (which ALWAYS makes it better :D), maybe just to do a bit of pub-crawling with a group of friends, or maybe, like you said, to pick up a date. (And just because you meet someone in a bar does NOT mean 100% that you're gonna go out and have sex with them. Yeah, some people do that, but others just wanna buy you a drink and chat with no immediate ulterior motive past getting to know you and maybe hanging out sometime.)

I guess I can't really say anything about strip clubs because I've never been to one but... idk, I think you're just very closed-minded when it comes to sexuality? :( I'm not sure I know many people (if any?) who regularly go to strip clubs for the sole purpose of seeing someone naked when they're already in a relationship. (I'm actually uncertain if I know anyone who hasn't just gone for the shits and giggles of it, lol.) Even just with pornography--someone may not BE in a relationship... is it still bad to watch it then? Or what if you and your partner both enjoy it (together or not)? Is it horrible then? :s

As for getting paid to strip, hey, if you're comfortable with it and don't mind the job, it pays! Nothing wrong with that (imo).

Checking out other men / women while in a relationship is another thing, too. When you're in a relationship, you should only find your partner attractive truly. Sure, you can say that "so and so is cute" when it's brought to your attention by another person, but it should be done apathetically, and you shouldn't search for people to compliment and/or drool over. I don't get that at all. Most couples permit this, when it's just showing disloyalty.

One cannot help who they are attracted to. I cannot stress this enough. I could be in a committed relationship of 30 years and see a movie with a hot actor/actress and find them attracted and, at the same time, be attracted to them. Does that make me an immoral person? No! If I acted on those attractions without my S.O.'s permission, yes that would be immoral, but just being attracted? You can't help that.

Okay, the movie actor example wasn't great but if I see someone attractive on the street, I'm going to KNOW that they are attractive (assuming they're my "type"). Now, if I'm already in a relationship, according to you, I'd already be in the wrong just for looking and finding someone attractive--something one honestly cannot help. You make it sound like anyone who happens to notice someone attractive [who is not their partner] is disloyal. Whaaaat. No, they're disloyal if they go out of their way to pursue and strike up relations with that person. And I mean any sort of relationship akin to the one they are currently in... so seeing someone attractive and thinking "hey, I'd like to get to know that person" and becoming friends? Ehh, it's pretty damn shallow but I don't see why it would be a problem.

Plus, what if your partner just... isn't that attractive? :( Of course looks should not be an issue when it comes to love or relationships, but chances are, you (general you) probably aren't going to end up with the most attractive person in the world. Not everyone can look at their partner (especially if said partner isn't a "serious" partner yet) and say "wow I will never find someone more attractive than this". Yeah, it's bad taste to be with your partner and to point out attractive people, but really, it's not the end of the world to find someone outside of your relationship attractive.

Again, it's ACTING on those attractions that is the big mistake. Just having them? Human nature.

Defending your partner is another issue. Most men and women don't even defend their partner when they're ridiculed - they laugh along with it, or say nothing, or murmur "don't do that". They don't stand up for their partner at all. They might even still be friends / hang out with the person who humiliates and talks badly about their partner. I don't know how people can see this as reasonable to do.

I can see where you're coming from on this one, and I agree, in a case like that. I wouldn't say it's "most" though... :s Harmless teasing is one thing (and honestly, I would encourage it because no one wants a super srs all the time relationship... or at least I certainly don't), but if it becomes at all hurtful, yes, that's when you need to step in and tell your friends or whoever it is to knock it off. Buuut this isn't even really a "partner" issue. This sort of thing happens all the time, even with just friends. It's kind of a peer pressure issue if anything. u_u

Kinkiness is another thing. If you have one woman or one man, why would you want another person to look at you while you're having an intimate moment? It's a sacred thing, and not something done out of pleasure for you or another's prowling eyes. Threesomes, chairs, toys, etc. - why? Why has this stuff become appropriate, when it's truly disgusting at every angle?

Um, whoa, what? Kinks... are bad? :( Again, that's not really something one can help! If someone's really into BDSM and their partner is too, who are you to judge what they do in the privacy of their own bedroom? It's not like anyone is (necessarily) watching them. It's not like they go out the next day and announce to the world right in front of you what they did. (Voyeurism may be a kink but it's not required of all kinks.)

So long as everyone (...and... everything...) involved is legal and consenting, I really don't see a problem with it. :( I'm not sure this part of the discussion is entirely appropriate for PC but I'm just gonna leave off and say not everyone is totally into plain vanilla sex. (tbh, pornography probably has a part to play in this but I don't think that's related to relationships and it's another topic entirely.)

 

[The Cynic]

Relationships have not changed whatsoever since Mitochondrial Eve first started tottering about the face of this planet.

All of the things you have mentioned are not disgusting or wrong, they are human. They are ways of expressing our undisclosed desires towards another human being. Saying that pornography is a bad thing is like saying Bach, Seurat, Wilde and The Beatles are all bad things. No matter how cold or phlegmatic human beings may seem there is always something that gives us a warm feeling. You can call it art, you can call it spirit, you can call it soul. But deep down it shows that we can all love, and be loved.

Is intimacy such a bad thing?

 

[Yusshin]

Thanks for all your input guys.

Lightning, if a bar is accompanied by a restaurant, it's not that bad. I mean places that is just a bar and dancing. My hometown only had that kind of bar, and they were referred to as the places you go to pick up chicks/dudes. Some bars are all right. It's the ones designed specifically to get drunk and make out / dance with everyone that I'm not a fan of.

I also have a different view on what's human nature. You can find another person attractive, but ideas shouldn't sprout up in your mind, and the remark should be apathetic. I believe firmly that humans started off as a monogamous species, and developped later on into what it is now (for the most part) - drama, marriage, divorce, fighting, and cheating. Not all relationships are like this of course, but everyone I know either cheats or got cheated on, including my aunts and my father. An example would be that my aunt's fiance cheated on her with my brother's girlfriend. He had a kid with my aunt, was planning to marry her, and then snuck around with another chick - my brother's girlfriend - behind her back. Again, I don't find this human nature at all. I see it as certain humans wanting taboo "thrills" and attention overall. You shouldn't be thinking about other people during an intimate moment, either.

I don't think I'm close-minded about relationships. I feel I'm old-fashioned, and that I'm probably one of those people who hold sexuality and intimacy as a sacred thing to be shared with one person in a lifetime - or at least, at a time << I find it shouldn't be just for pleasure or bodily attraction either. It should be shared with just someone you feel you love at 100%, personality- and body-wise. Otherwise, it's just animalistic pleasure and I think it's disgusting. I find pornography unacceptable because you're looking at another person naked, and I find that unacceptable and disloyal. It's as if the body of your partner isn't enough. You should find your partner the most attractive person in the world, and be blind to all others unless the topic of "Do you think that person is attractive?" is brought up.

That's how I feel in any case. I don't feel I'm odd, either, for being this way. I've met others like me, but they are few. The majority is into things that I would personally never do / look down on them for. I won't say anything since it's not my business, but I will think of them as lower beings if they happen to do something I find animalistic or unappropriate. Again, I don't say anything to those individuals, though.