SeaWorld says current generation of orcas its last

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/17/us/seaworld-last-generation-of-orcas/

(CNN)The killer whales currently in SeaWorld's care will be the last generation of the mammals enclosed at the water parks, according to a company announcement posted on its website.

"Why the big news? SeaWorld has been listening and we're changing. Society is changing and we're changing with it," the company said. "SeaWorld is finding new ways to continue to deliver on our purpose to inspire all our guest to take action to protect wild animals and wild places."

The company has come under fire for its treatment of killer whales since the 2013 CNN documentary "Blackfish." That film profiled one of its whales, Tilikum, who has been involved in the deaths of three people, including SeaWorld trainer Dawn Brancheau in 2010.

Reports recently surfaced that Tilikum may be dying. He is estimated to be 35 years old.

"The orcas will continue to live at SeaWorld for many years to come, inspiring guests in new and natural ways," the company said. "They will continue to receive the highest-quality care based on the latest advances in marine veterinary medicine, science and zoological best practices."

In a letter to the Los Angeles Times, Joel Manby, SeaWorld's president and CEO, called the situation a "paradox."

"Customers visit our marine parks, in part, to watch orcas," he said. "But a growing number of people don't think orcas belong in human care."

He announced that the company is partnering with the Humane Society of the United States to advocate for ocean wildlife protection.

The company says the end of the controversial breeding program is just one of changes it is hailing as "historic."

It will also introduce new "natural orca encounters" instead of the old theatrical shows.

guess the possibility of tilikum dying soon has forced their hand
 
They're doing a good job of hiding the real reason for the change, a pissed off public means less money for the company. This was a smart economic move made by the company and hopefully it will come with some nice ecological side-effects.

Don't tell me you believed in that Blackfish nonsense, which was proven to have been manipulative. This is truly sad news, because animal rights activists will never be satisfied until all zoos and aquariums are removed, despite most of them helping their animals nursing them back to health. There's this website I constantly lurk through that will have the exact opposite on how PC feels about this news. Allow me to quote one of these people about how important SeaWorld is:

I know my usual role on this board is to be a sarcastic pain in the a** and/or your resident walking / talking Knoebels commercial but I feel like I need to say something here. I know I'm kind of preaching to the choir and I know I may lose some cool points but seeing animals in distress breaks my heart. People? Whatever... when some worldwide disaster hits you're lucky to get a $10 Red Cross text from me but animals are a different story.

This whole thing is just such a shame. I think it's great that these Blackfish people are so interested in helping animals but they need to direct their passion in the right place. Sea World does more to help these animals than anyone and most of it flies under the radar. Right now there's a serious problem on the west coast with Sea Lions washing ashore. Sea World has rescued and rehabilitated over 200 of these animals just in the last 2 months. When these animals get stranded these localities don't call Peta, they don't call the fake activists from Blackfish, they call Sea World and they do that because they're the best in the business.

Ever since our first visit to SeaWorld we fell and love with the place... my girlfriend especially. Now she's even started talking to some of the trainers and is trying to convince me to get married at Sea World. She drinks the Sea World Kool Aid more than I drink the Knoebels Kool Aid (and I'm about to drown on Knoebels Kool Aid). Like seriously... that dumb Turtle Trek movie has caused her to become a complete tree hugger. She drives a Prius BECAUSE of Sea World (yeah, she's one of THOSE people), she freaks out about recycling, she donates to animal charities even though we take the standard deduction and there's no tax benefit, she's a complete fan girl... it's kind of ridiculous, lol.

Anyway her conversations with the trainers just paint pictures of people crying, trainers clocking out after work and going right back to the tank to spend time with Tilikum and just an outpouring of love for this whale. These people are amazing people. They love Tilikum like he's one of their own children. This entire thing is heartbreaking but it's just affirming the fact that this is a wonderful organization with amazing people that deserves our support. The tears in that video are real tears. By the sounds of things many of these people are almost inconsolable.

Sea World and Busch Gardens have a conservation fund that accepts donations to help them continue to do the amazing work that they do. Until recently they did it with very little PR and are just now starting to inform the masses of it with shows like Wildlife Docs as a necessary response to all of the bad press they've been getting. Even though they're now making this more public it doesn't even scratch the surface of the great work they do.

I think it would be great to see some support from the community in honor of Tilikum. There's not much anyone can do to help, but at least it's a small way to help them continue their amazing work and hopefully one day find a cure for these types of infections that impact both wild and captive whales.

I know I just lost cool points but I feel awful for these people and for Tilikum. This is an amazing organization.
Source: https://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1679375#p1679375
 

I have never seen Blackfish, and I don't doubt that there's plenty of good things the company does. We have a theme park of the same name here that does similar things.

The bottom line though, is that it's a business. The public were having orca issues, so they're not gonna do that anymore. I applaud their conservationist efforts but lets not forget that first and foremost they're in the game for money.
 
Conservation can happen without theme parks. Theme parks can still contribute to conservation efforts with education and money. People just want to see animals up close. I don't want to knock that. Animals are great. But they're animals and only trained people should be handling them. Otherwise they're basically pets. Biologists and others do good work in helping animals recover and they should continue to do that. People I know volunteer their time at animal rescue centers, rehabilitating baby ravens or sea lions or whatever animals they can. There's no reason it has to be done at theme parks as theme parks currently operate.

There's a murky line between helping animals and exploiting them. Zoos, depending on the size and quality, sometimes seem to straddle that line. Theme parks seem a lot closer to the exploitation side. That's how I see it anyway.
 
I loved my visit to Seaworld. I went there in 2008(?) with my family and frankly it was the best two days (we went twice!) of the holiday. Something about cetaceans is incredibly calming, mystical and emotional. Maybe I was just a broody 18 year old but damn, I sat by the Orca for ages and just watched.

It didn't cross my mind at the time, but I think its safe to say this is for the best. These animals need space, more space than any life in captivity can provide, they need a pod and they need to be free.

I have no doubt that the trainers are incredibly upset over the decision. They have bonded with the whales and undoubtedly have an emotional bond with them, but that's not a reason to persist. These people will go on to get different jobs, probably with different animals. We still need people like that to help conservation in and our of zoos.

RE: Blackfish; Seaworld has made some shitpoor choices when it comes to their whales, and their highly questionable captive breeding programs. I have seen Blackfish, and I've seen some counter evidence, but from where I'm sitting most of their facts are true and backed up.

Good choice, Seaworld. For your reputation and the animals.
 
It didn't cross my mind at the time, but I think its safe to say this is for the best. These animals need space, more space than any life in captivity can provide, they need a pod and they need to be free.
SeaWorld announced Project Blue World, which is suppose to give their orcas more room, as well as recreating their ocean environment with moving currents. But now that project got cancelled because of this decision.

RE: Blackfish; Seaworld has made some ****poor choices when it comes to their whales, and their highly questionable captive breeding programs. I have seen Blackfish, and I've seen some counter evidence, but from where I'm sitting most of their facts are true and backed up.

Good choice, Seaworld. For your reputation and the animals.

It's actually a betrayal to those who have defended SeaWorld after all the backlash from animal rights activists no thanks to Blackfish, which as mentioned, was very one-sided and manipulative (all those tricks they do in shows are actually a form of exercise that keeps them fit, and even wild orcas do these tricks in the wild). Now we won't have any children who wish to grow up to be marine biologists themselves after their encounters with orcas in captivity. The ocean is currently in danger, putting a lot of whales, dolphins, sea lions, and other marine life forms at risk, and it'll be these activists' fault for preventing conversational facilities like SeaWorld from saving them by educating the public while showcasing these animals in captivity, because you whether you want to believe it or not, the public would not care about animals they never seen through their own eyes.
 
SeaWorld announced Project Blue World, which is suppose to give their orcas more room, as well as recreating their ocean environment with moving currents. But now that project got cancelled because of this decision.

Sounds like a SeaWorld cop-out, to be honest. A plan that's "been in motion" that would cost them millions and millions has been scrapped? It's almost like they're just using that.


It's actually a betrayal to those who have defended SeaWorld after all the backlash from animal rights activists no thanks to Blackfish, which as mentioned, was very one-sided and manipulative (all those tricks they do in shows are actually a form of exercise that keeps them fit, and even wild orcas do these tricks in the wild). Now we won't have any children who wish to grow up to be marine biologists themselves after their encounters with orcas in captivity. The ocean is currently in danger, putting a lot of whales, dolphins, sea lions, and other marine life forms at risk, and it'll be these activists' fault for preventing conversational facilities like SeaWorld from saving them by educating the public while showcasing these animals in captivity, because you whether you want to believe it or not, the public would not care about animals they never seen through their own eyes.

To be honest, I don't agree with any of your points. Wild Orca do not perform tricks, and the tricks they perform at SeaWorld in no way translates into exercise for an animal that is used to swimming miles and miles, at speed, each day. The tricks are actually medical, the reason they're trained to do tricks is to help the trainers get physically closer to the whale and be able to see under fins, in mouths, etc.

The public can be educated without keeping a dozen enormous whales in swimming pools. If SeaWorld themselves think its impossible they should step up their game.
 
Sounds like a SeaWorld cop-out, to be honest. A plan that's "been in motion" that would cost them millions and millions has been scrapped? It's almost like they're just using that.

The project was announced last year, and it was in development prior to the Blackfish propaganda.

To be honest, I don't agree with any of your points. Wild Orca do not perform tricks, and the tricks they perform at SeaWorld in no way translates into exercise for an animal that is used to swimming miles and miles, at speed, each day. The tricks are actually medical, the reason they're trained to do tricks is to help the trainers get physically closer to the whale and be able to see under fins, in mouths, etc.

Have you seen these wild orcas not performing these same tricks? Even the larger whales such as humpback whales perform similar tricks in the wild.

The public can be educated without keeping a dozen enormous whales in swimming pools. If SeaWorld themselves think its impossible they should step up their game.

Their is a huge difference between seeing them on TV/Youtuber or through your own eyes. Although captive animals don't behave like wild animals, for obvious reasons, there's still a lot that can be learned from them, since they still have their wild instincts intact, and the next generation can be inspired to care more and want to learn more about them just by seeing them live with their own eyes. TV/web videos, on the other hand, are cold, distant, easily dismissed, generally a poor substitute for the real thing. You can't feel that same care if you're being educated through just TV or various web videos. Also to note, if you search through Facebook, you'll see that these activists will target other captive species SeaWorld has in captivity, even if some of them are unable to survive in the wild. Mob rule isn't always right, which is why we try to fight against SJWs, who are only doing more harm to our society than good, and SeaWorld bowing down to them would be against what they stood for over the past few decades. Do you see Nintendo caving in to mob rule after the backlash towards the Paper Mario game and Federation Force? No. Those are the type of companies I respect, and SeaWorld lost that respect.
 
The project was announced last year, and it was in development prior to the Blackfish propaganda.

Blackfish was released in 2013, and filmed (I'm assuming) in the year before that. The Blue World Project was announced August 2014.

Considering that SeaWorld didn't even apply for building permits until Oct 2015, I doubt there was any solid idea before Blackfish. The timeline suggests Blackfish led to Blue World.


Have you seen these wild orcas not performing these same tricks? Even the larger whales such as humpback whales perform similar tricks in the wild.

> Orca do not lay motionless in the sea for more than a few minutes.
> Orca only jump out of the sea whilst chasing prey.
> Orca do not swim with one flipper out the water.

They also don't jump to nudge balls. These tricks, as I said, are conditioned in to them to help with medical procedures and for entertainment. Sorry :c.

Their is a huge difference between seeing them on TV/Youtuber or through your own eyes. Although captive animals don't behave like wild animals, for obvious reasons, there's still a lot that can be learned from them, since they still have their wild instincts intact, and the next generation can be inspired to care more and want to learn more about them just by seeing them live with their own eyes. TV/web videos, on the other hand, are cold, distant, easily dismissed, generally a poor substitute for the real thing. You can't feel that same care if you're being educated through just TV or various web videos.

Now this, I can disagree with. You learn far more about Orca by watching a documentary than you do seeing one in person. There may be less of an emotional link (it can still be there!) but you can still, certainly, care for animals.

And if our children can't appreciate that fact, then maybe we need to educate them better. "We're watching a documentary, filmed in the wild, to show you what this animal is really like."

Also to note, if you search through Facebook, you'll see that these activists will target other captive species SeaWorld has in captivity, even if some of them are unable to survive in the wild. Mob rule isn't always right, which is why we try to fight against SJWs, who are only doing more harm to our society than good, and SeaWorld bowing down to them would be against what they stood for over the past few decades. Do you see Nintendo caving in to mob rule after the backlash towards the Paper Mario game and Federation Force? No. Those are the type of companies I respect, and SeaWorld lost that respect.

Surely you can see how flimsy this is. You're comparing holding animals in unethical conditions to producing games. If Nintendo were enslaving Italians and making them jump into boxes then sure, protesters would shut it down - otherwise its a big moot point.

I also don't get my information from Facebook, a social media website. The real protesters aren't the ones complaining to their friends and followers - they know their stuff and they're picketing, signing/making petitions, and gathering more and more evidence.
 
I have never seen Blackfish, and I don't doubt that there's plenty of good things the company does. We have a theme park of the same name here that does similar things.

The bottom line though, is that it's a business. The public were having orca issues, so they're not gonna do that anymore. I applaud their conservationist efforts but lets not forget that first and foremost they're in the game for money.

Exactly. Seaworld was losing a lot of popularity (as far as I know), and multiple trainer deaths with deplorable conditions were looking really bad. So it was a great move on their part.
 
Can I just throw in something that's been bugging me a bit, Orca's are dolphins not whales (to the best of my knowledge, feel free to correct me if you're better educated). Whilst they might be related, I think if we're going to have a series discussion we might as well at least get the type of animal they are correct.

//end irrelevant comment
 
Dolphins are whales I think.

They're both cetaceans but I don't think they're the same thing. Anyway I'm not gonna derail things further here.

I'm wondering if other animal-based theme parks will start making similar moves now to keep up with the competition. Thoughts?
 
Here's an article I've recently found discussing why this is a bad decision:

At 5 a.m. Thursday, SeaWorld announced that it would end its killer-whale breeding program, and would work with one of its most prolific critics, the Humane Society of the United States, a shocking change in direction.

SeaWorld has been crucified in the unjust court of public opinion. In the age of skepticism fueled by the immediacy of social media, nuance is lost.

The fact is that SeaWorld's killer whales live as long as the most studied wild populations. When you look carefully at the science, trends indicate that in the next decade SeaWorld's whales will outlive those same wild populations by a significant margin. They are not suffering; they are not mistreated; they are, in fact, thriving. But perception is reality, and the business side of SeaWorld is responding to perception.

SeaWorld has made mistakes that have contributed to the current atmosphere. By waiting to respond to the rhetoric for too long, the theme park allowed a perception to grow when all along it has had absolutely nothing to hide. SeaWorld's initial failure to act created an appearance of guilt.

Many will quickly identify the tragic death of Dawn Brancheau as the beginning trajectory of recent announcements. Others will mark the debut of "Blackfish" as the turning point. Both play a role, but neither event, together or separately, was responsible for SeaWorld's latest change. The single greatest contributing factor and mistake, in my opinion, was making SeaWorld a publicly traded company (stock symbol SEAS).

At its core, SeaWorld, or any zoo for that matter, is a societal cornerstone of education, research, awareness and conservation. These are all long-term investments — in many respects, intangible investments in generations yet to come. The short-term interests of individual shareholders are not congruent with these essential and defining characteristics of an animal-welfare organization. The corporate leadership at SeaWorld is attempting to meet the immediate demands of shareholders by eliminating criticism overnight. While this may appear a logical path on the surface, I expect it will ultimately backfire in ways no one can yet imagine. Their fight is a righteous one, but shareholders do not invest in righteousness. Show me an animal-centric organization with only short-term interests, and I'll show you an organization without a soul.

I am, as a proud SeaWorld alum, disheartened on many levels. I consider this decision to be a punishing blow to the future of conservation across many species. SeaWorld has contributed more to the body of knowledge regarding killer whales than any other source. It has contributed more to the conservation and awareness of killer-whale issues, wild or no, than any other organization on the face of the planet. Specific to the preservation of killer whales, a vital tool in the conservation arsenal is being taken away from our future.

We are at the beginning of the Sixth Extinction event. In the next hundred years, we will experience the most rapid and large-scale loss of wildlife in studied history. This time it's different. This time the responsibility belongs solely to the human race. Our behavior, our byproducts, our treatment of the environment have and continue to levy a great toll on the world around us.

In that same hundred years, the Earth's population is expected to increase from 7.3 billion to nearly 11.2 billion. Anti-zoo proponents will surely claim credit for SeaWorld's announcement, but as species after species cease to exist in the wild, time will turn their credit to blame. It will not be immediately obvious, though I am confident history will look back on this period, this film and the people seeking to destroy parks like SeaWorld as being culpable agents in what will become known as the most destructive era in animal conservation. Without our zoos, we don't stand a chance of preserving our wildlife, killer whales included.

The liability here is not SeaWorld's alone. As a professional in the animal field, I am and have been sorely disappointed in the lack of support for SeaWorld from the professional community and the moral majority; those who visit parks like SeaWorld and know better than the prejudiced claims of keyboard warriors. Doing the right thing is always the hardest thing to do. Many have taken the easy road, assuming this issue is not on their doorstep. There is far more at stake here than one species and one organization.

Today, SEAS shareholders, the environment, the U.S. as a global authority in animal welfare, our children's children and most acutely, the family of SeaWorld whales now facing extinction, all lose. Today, we all lose.

And you are correct about orcas being dolphins, gimmepie, which was why I mentioned dolphins being next on the activists' list to "liberate" from aquariums containing them.
 
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