4th Gen Shinto Ruins Discussion

[Ayselipera]

Maybe you unlock a new pokemon, kinda like Deoxys in Firered/Leafgreen.

 

["Shadow Lugia"]

I think it's Mt. Silver. There's no other area covered in snow on the map. In addition, D/P/Pt's Arceus event was on top of Mt. Coronet, so it would make sense for this event to take place on top of Mt. Silver. If it is, then I really hope Red appears, if even for just a second. I can see it now:

-Egg hatches, Unown disappear
-Screen zooms down to the entrance of the ruins
-Red's there
-Red says "..." and then leaves

 

[Haza]

On the map there is a cloud over a tiny bit over the mountain and Im assuning this is the location for it.

 

[balkj06]

shinto ruins
that name is alot like Johto and Shinoh

 

[Artemis]

I think it's Mt. Silver. There's no other area covered in snow on the map. In addition, D/P/Pt's Arceus event was on top of Mt. Coronet, so it would make sense for this event to take place on top of Mt. Silver. If it is, then I really hope Red appears, if even for just a second. I can see it now:

-Egg hatches, Unown disappear
-Screen zooms down to the entrance of the ruins
-Red's there
-Red says "..." and then leaves

/This.

Mt. Silver is the basic mountain that is seen with a visible ice cap. Not to mention, the image was shown with layers of snow around the area of the Shinto Ruins. So, this location only seems logical after activating the event from the Ruins of Alph. Like stated here as well and I've said before too, placing Arceu's event for the birth of one of the dragon's relates to the original idea of how Arceus would be found at the highest point on Mt. Coronet in Sinnoh.

However, if it is placed in Mt. Coronet, and we do happen to see Red, then I wouldn't assume he might appear, say "..." and then leave. I would honestly like to have at least one battle with him. Though, if this were to happen, then I can see it he doing that, and at a certain time in the game he appears once more. This is when he challenges us, and finally speaks [This is just an idea and speculation on what was said].

 

[billi1000]

u make a very strong point there Hiroshi, it looks like we re gonna see much more of mount silver this time, especially that we saw very little of it before, and it seems were going to be able to explore it from top to bottom

 

[derozio]

I really think that this event will take place at Mt.Silver after I read the (rather) genuine reasons given in the posts. That Red idea also sounds cool but I think that Red should definitely challenge us(if not ON the spot at the birth of dragons, then at some other place in Mt.Silver).

(I voted without thinking and thus I voted for arceus event not taking place at Mt.Silver.So silly of me to vote before thinking lol)

 

[billi1000]

red is most likely to be in mount silver like he was in the previous games, but i say they will keep him in the sam spot, and i dont thnik he will be involved in the areceus event, since this event isnt available for all the fans, and it would cause a fan disapointment if u had to activate this event to be able to battle red.

Edit: I thaught i d give a pic of both mount coronet and silver to show how similar they look exterior wise, so here it is:

mount coronet is the one on the left and mt.silver on the right, they both seem to hold something on the top, and does someone see something on mnt silver covered by a cloud, what could that thing be?

 

[>Feelings<]

I'm basically saying, if we believe that Mt. Silver is now part of the Indigo Plateau, that the Mt. Silver we explored in G/S/C can't be the ACTUAL Mt. Silver - meaning we've never gone through the ACTUAL Mt. Silver.

That sounds unrealistic. Remakes can easily change around map placements.
Well, it could be something like the part we visited before was a different section of Mount Silver, maybe?
And now, another new section will be available to be discovered.

If the name is truly a mix of "Shinou" and "Jouto" or "Kantou", then like Tohjo Falls, it'll keep a similar name. You're probably looking at something like "Sinntoh Ruins" or something. On the other hand, if it's NOT a mix, nor NoA's translation team doesn't see the coincidence, we'll see a different name.

No, not at all.
The name "Shinto" is not a mix of "Shinou" and "Johto" or "Kantou", though that's a clever one you came up with, I must say...

The name is actually directly derived from one of the most followed Religion in Japan.
The word "Shinto" is translated to be "Way of the Gods".
So, the chances are that they will not change it while they translate it.
But if religion issues come up, then they might be forced to, but I don't want it to be changed...

 

[Wings Don't Cry]

I'm more interested in this getting one of the dragons and maybe you can actually get all 3 and you can find the orbs around Johto and Kanto and when you take them there you get the respectful dragon matching the orb like in Platinum when you go back to Spear Pillar for Dialga and Palkia

 

[billi1000]

>Feelings< Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura
I'm basically saying, if we believe that Mt. Silver is now part of the Indigo Plateau, that the Mt. Silver we explored in G/S/C can't be the ACTUAL Mt. Silver - meaning we've never gone through the ACTUAL Mt. Silver.

That sounds unrealistic. Remakes can easily change around map placements.
Well, it could be something like the part we visited before was a different section of Mount Silver, maybe?
And now, another new section will be available to be discovered.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura
If the name is truly a mix of "Shinou" and "Jouto" or "Kantou", then like Tohjo Falls, it'll keep a similar name. You're probably looking at something like "Sinntoh Ruins" or something. On the other hand, if it's NOT a mix, nor NoA's translation team doesn't see the coincidence, we'll see a different name.

No, not at all.
The name "Shinto" is not a mix of "Shinou" and "Johto" or "Kantou", though that's a clever one you came up with, I must say...

The name is actually directly derived from one of the most followed Religion in Japan.
The word "Shinto" is translated to be "Way of the Gods".
So, the chances are that they will not change it while they translate it.
But if religion issues come up, then they might be forced to, but I don't want it to be changed...

At last someone gave the translation of the word Shinto, thanks alot Feelings, so its Way of the Gods huh, that sounds like one capturing name, well i agree that it ll be better of if they dont change it for the english version since it has a religious meaning, or may be they will to something like the ruins of the gods or the deities or something on those lines??

oh and Hiroshi, i remember the indigo plateau being behind mount silver from the east and not on it directly and was located in kanto so it isnt on the johto map, unless nintendo has remaped its possition wich is most likely because i can see the indigo plateau on the new johto map like the old one...

 

[HeartGoldnSoulSilver]

I think it's possible. Red was found somewhere left of the mountain, the pokemon league near mt. Silver, and what's on the top is where the shinto ruins would be.

"I'm basically saying, if we believe that Mt. Silver is now part of the Indigo Plateau, that the Mt. Silver we explored in G/S/C can't be the ACTUAL Mt. Silver - meaning we've never gone through the ACTUAL Mt. Silver." - Hiroshi

 

[Mitchman]

I think it's possible. Red was found somewhere left of the mountain, the pokemon league was past mt Silver (or now part of it), and what's on the top is where the shinto ruins would be.

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You basically hit the nail on the head. And to feelings Yaminokame and Hiroshi perfectly stated why its not related to shintoism and all. Its missing a key character and that makes your statement false. I doubt you even know Japanese unlike the people I mentioned so yeah.

 

[billi1000]

Hiroshi man thanx for pointing that out, i just watched the video of the shinto ruins and the music at the ruins seems similar to those at mount coronet, even the pillars infront of the entrance of the birth room seem similar to those on top of mount coronet, so i may conclude this has a similar mood to mount coronet, which basicly has a very similar event going on at its peak as well, even if other patches of snow in kanto or johto appear, it still would make the most sense that it is located on top of mount Silver.

 

[yaminokame]

No, not at all.
The name "Shinto" is not a mix of "Shinou" and "Johto" or "Kantou", though that's a clever one you came up with, I must say...

The name is actually directly derived from one of the most followed Religion in Japan.
The word "Shinto" is translated to be "Way of the Gods".
So, the chances are that they will not change it while they translate it.
But if religion issues come up, then they might be forced to, but I don't want it to be changed...

I would just like to point this out there. It is a wrong assumption from the start to assume that a Japanese person would single out the religion Shinto when coming up with a name. Sure, when creating things for the game they may throw in different elements from their culture, but it does not make sense to single out Shintoism. It is an easy practice for us westerners to label ourselves a certain religion and stick with it, but that does not mean that the whole world has to be like us. Japan has a mix, and most people practice what we would consider more than one religion. Along with Shintoism in Japan, there still exists Buddhism, which is also practiced. That does not mean a Japanese person would say "I'm not Buddhist, I'm Shintoist" or vice versa. They mix and match different aspects of both. If a westerner were to ask "Which religion are you?" They are more inclined to tell you "I don't know" or "None" rather than single out one in particular. Going on top of this, though some of the ideas show Japanese culture, which we tend to see as religious (like the shrines) they are fully aware that different nations share these games, and wouldn't dare to single out any religion at one point, or go as far to name something after it. There really isn't enough evidence to support that Shinto(u) 【神道】 solely equals to Shinto 【シント】 :P

 

[joehat]

red is most likely to be in mount silver like he was in the previous games, but i say they will keep him in the sam spot, and i dont thnik he will be involved in the areceus event, since this event isnt available for all the fans, and it would cause a fan disapointment if u had to activate this event to be able to battle red.

Edit: I thaught i d give a pic of both mount coronet and silver to show how similar they look exterior wise, so here it is:

mount coronet is the one on the left and mt.silver on the right, they both seem to hold something on the top, and does someone see something on mnt silver covered by a cloud, what could that thing be?

I definitely think the Shinto Ruins will be on top of Mt. Silver. The only evidence against that would be the cloud over the area at the base of Mt. Silver. I could see them covering up a special location..but if the Indigo Plateau is at the base of the mountain, I don't see any reason to cover that up.

I keep forgetting...isn't the Johto Pokemon League (Silver Conference in the anime) held at the base of Mt. Silver? So that wouldn't be the Indigo Plateau covered by clouds..I'm confused.

 

[Åzurε]

Hiroshi man thanx for pointing that out, i just watched the video of the shinto ruins and the music at the ruins seems similar to those at mount coronet, even the pillars infront of the entrance of the birth room seem similar to those on top of mount coronet, so i may conclude this has a similar mood to mount coronet, which basicly has a very similar event going on at its peak as well, even if other patches of snow in kanto or johto appear, it still would make the most sense that it is located on top of mount Silver.

I didn't know there was a video. Could somebody please tell me where, or link to it or some such?
Edit: Nevermind. just checked out the other topic.
Now, to contribute a bit...

The "Johto League" Is in fact, Indigo Plateau. Johto is unique in that (aside from just being awesome) it doesn't have it's own e4. The Silver Conference is an Anime-only thing.

And, regardless of the reason for naming it "Shinto Ruins", the word is still shinto, so they'll likely change it. The only decent substitute I see right now is actually naming it "Way of the Gods", or Origin Hall, etc., because the Game Freaks seem to like things with origin in them nowadays.

 

[manga_meijin2]

This game is going to be GREAT! I love all the new additions and this one looks to be my favorite as of yet :)

 

[HeartGoldnSoulSilver]

You basically hit the nail on the head. And to feelings Yaminokame and Hiroshi perfectly stated why its not related to shintoism and all. Its missing a key character and that makes your statement false. I doubt you even know Japanese unlike the people I mentioned so yeah.

Anyways I hope these will be one of the the best in the series.

P.S. I think it's on the top on mt. Silver :X

 

[Mana1]

I think saying it must be on Mt Silver just because there is no is probably pushing it, I would like to see changing weather in HGSS so perhaps a previously unsnowy area may get a layer ;).

I agree its likely to be a new location (outside of the usual map) like in Fire Red with the islands for some legendarys?

I don't want another place that I can see but not touch XD no events for me :(.