Someone explain religion to me

Ninja Caterpie said:
Because most of us here live with "innocent until proven guilty". ie. you're the one's saying it doesn't exist, prove that it doesn't.

That works for me, it didn't happen until it was proven to happen. So you have that all flip flopped.

That's why it's called "belief". We can believe in anything that we want to, because belief is a personal thing. I'm willing to bet you believe in something that hasn't been proven true. :D

No, that's why its called faith (You can look up definition on your own if you'd like). And no, my mind doesn't work like that. I never believe something until I know I'm sure. Like religion here, I don't say its not possible, I say that there are trillions of things more likely and picking that to believe in sounds absurd from the outside looking in. But, that's not the point.The point is whats the reasoning? Everything happens for a reason, whether that reason be someone's opinion or an accident. Every choice has a reasoning behind it. I want to know what that is.

This is just a nasty generalisation. I don't believe my [Christianity] is any better than Buddhism or any other religion. There's no proof that any religion is more likely than another; all people have equal right to believe in whatever they want.

But that just makes it more odd to me. And it applies to what I said above, in context of course.
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lx_theo said:
What is needed is what is basic requirements happen to be to acheive the goal, in this case: satisfaction with their life. Do these people need religion to find satisfaction with their life? In most cases, no, they just are using one of the most common fallback options that gives a false sense of satisfaction (Many of the things like the morality and charities can easily be done without), though I do admit you could probably find a few outside that spectrum. A person can have a preference, but what is needed is never a choice.
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I just don't see why it bothers some people so much. What does it matter? These people are clearly satisfied with their way of life, why do so many people feel the need to attack it? Moreover, why does it matter if their satisfaction comes from something "real" or not? People have done great things in the name of religion just as they have done bad things. Whether or not such a thing exists physically, the concept exists and matters to people, and the things people of religion have accomplished are certainly real. If it makes them happy and helps them (and sometimes others) get by without hurting anyone else, I don't see why there's anything wrong with it.

As for that it means a lot more, I honestly have no idea what there is that wouldn't directly link to explaining how things work.
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That is something you would have to ask a person who is religious.
 
twocows said:
I just don't see why it bothers some people so much. What does it matter? These people are clearly satisfied with their way of life, why do so many people feel the need to attack it? Moreover, why does it matter if their satisfaction comes from something "real" or not? People have done great things in the name of religion just as they have done bad things. Whether or not such a thing exists physically, the concept exists and matters to people, and the things people of religion have accomplished are certainly real. If it makes them happy and helps them (and sometimes others) get by without hurting anyone else, I don't see why there's anything wrong with it.
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My point is that religion isn't necessary for the good things, and it still causes a lot of bad things. I'm sure some of those would shift to other reasons, but it would logically help reduce a lot of the violence worldwide. Personally I think the world would be better off without it, and should it ever come to that point the smartest way to go would be to ween (sp?) the world off of it. But that doesn't mean I have a problem with the people who are like you describe. I agree with most of what you said. Its just not as cut and dry as that.
 
Scarf said:
  • Government causes problems.
  • It's simpler without government.
  • Government was great back in the day... Not so much now.
  • Government fallacies aren't unheard of.
  • Why don't politicians "speak" to us now?
  • Government people can do bad things too.
  • Militant governments are disruptive.
  • Government impedes human development.
  • Government is a form of self-denial.
  • You can have morals and hope without government.
  • A good government probably doesn't exist.
  • Government is man made.
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This.

Religion is simply made by the governments across the world. There are so many forms of it, and yet, none of them can be proven true.

How do we know there is a Heaven or Hell?
How do we know there is a so called "God(s)"?
How do we know there was an Adam and Eve?
How do we even know Jesus is real.

All the so called evidence seems fictional and made up.

And why would we go to hell? God is suppose to treat everyone equally.
Sending one to Hell because of their sins is pretty much unequal.

The only thing that could make such a corrupt way of life is the government.
It may take us decades, maybe centuries to prove religion is a lie.
But it will be proven one day.
 
lx_theo said:
My point is that religion isn't necessary for the good things, and it still causes a lot of bad things. I'm sure some of those would shift to other reasons, but it would logically help reduce a lot of the violence worldwide. Personally I think the world would be better off without it, and should it ever come to that point the smartest way to go would be to ween (sp?) the world off of it. But that doesn't mean I have a problem with the people who are like you describe. I agree with most of what you said. Its just not as cut and dry as that.
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Religion isn't necessary for anything. If the good that came from religion can come from something else, then all the bad can as well. If someone wants to do something bad, they'll think of an excuse, don't you worry. It's US that's the problem, it's how we use religion, not what it is.
 
I would explain it to you, but experience, reason, and logic dictate that you prefer the blue pill of blissful ignorance, to that of truth and its corollary negative and positive connotations.
 
lx_theo said:
Okay, this is actually something that has perplexed me for a long time with religion. The whole idea of shaking arguments against off because it can't being proven false is just weird to me. Why believe something that can't be proven true to you? Fear? Greed? Desperation? Indoctrination? And its not just believing it in the first place, its the idea that yours is more valid than others. Why? Because your parents believed in it or something? How would that make it any more valid than the many other religions out there? A person's religion who compel people to take the stance that you can't disprove it just means that they have no way of proving their's is more likely than others.
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Actually, there is. It's just that every explanation requires you to accept truths that require faith in those truths. There was proof. Historical evidence based in the Quran, but if you don't first accept that the Quran is true then you're just going to go around in circles. Basically, there is a basis for believing in it and there is also no basis for disproving it. You can tell god exists because of religious proof that nobody can physically prove. You cannot disprove God because you too have no physical proof. Hence, the term faith.

Also, there are certain parts in the Quran which have proven to be scientifically true. The big bang and the process in which an embryo develops into a foetus for example. Now, your argument for what is written in the Quran is that you believe it a coincidence or you ask why we can't just predict future events if it gives all the answers.

For the first part, yes it may be a staggering coincidence from your point of view, but so was the creation of earth and man. In fact, the creation of earth and man has a phenomenally much greater chance of not happening than the Quran does of not being correct. The second part, why we can't just predict future events, is simple enough. The raison d'etre of muslims, besides to pray and to practice the faith, is to seek knowledge. Certain knowledge is there in the Quran for reaffirmation. You seek it yourself and that is the meaning of life.
 
I knew I would find you here Yusshin. :3

Anyway, the only reason we have religion is this:

WE'Z IS SCARED OF THEM UNKNOWNS

What I mean is every Human being naturally feels fear or anxiety from the unknown, so in my theory some soldier in the olden days created religion because it made him feel better.

But then again, what about Islam? In all terms, Islam, if you do your research correctly it is the perfect religion. Go on, look it up.

But in any case, religion is man's way of scaring away the bogeyman.
 
Ninja Caterpie said:
Because most of us here live with "innocent until proven guilty". ie. you're the one's saying it doesn't exist, prove that it doesn't.
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...I was expecting this reasoning, but in the exact opposite way. You are doing it wrong, I'm afraid. There is no physical way to prove something doesn't exist. Or else try proving me that flying monkeys with 10 arms don't exist. Nobody ever saw any? They are well hidden. There is some king of scientifical issue that wouldn't allow them to fly? It's because they are special.

In fact, with the "prove me they don't exist" argument, you can support the existence of anything.

And, going back to the beggining. You own 10 bombs and you are planning on using them to murder millions of people. Prove me these bombs don't exist. It doesn't work that way.

And this is the reason why I don't believe in God: because nobody proved to me it exists.

I'm sorry if this sounds like a personal attack or anything similar, it wasn't my intention.
 
THIS HASN'T BEEN AUTO-LOCKED?!?!?

Religious discussions... they never go well. Religion is simply a way of explaining things you don't understand ie. answering the "Ultimate Questions". That's me explained religion.

I am a dysteleologist... but I'm going to leave it at that.

I'm not going to start saying if religion is a good thing or not because... well let's just say a Pokemon forum is not the best place for it and there is no need to create unnessecary schism between the theists and the atheists and the agnostics.
 
Whee religion. I'm Christian but I don't go to church or anything. I believe God exists, yeah. I also used to pray at night but now... I just don't. Hmm... I'm going to start doing that again, actually. :3

I think that there are good things that happened cause of God, and then the bad things due to humanity feeling the need to troll / hate / betray eachother. So that's how I believe it in simple terms. All the past of the Christian religion and the rules, etc, don't matter much to me really.
 
Zet said:
Hey OP,

God is real, try proving the Big Bang Theory without disproving the law of conservation of mass.
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Try to explain The Creation Theory without disproving the law of conservation of mass. Works both ways.
There is evidence for the Big Bang Theory, static when turn on a radio or tv? That's radio waves that were ejected by the big bang. Red Shift, light emitted from quasars has been shifted to longer wavelengths as distance increases shows that the galaxies are moving away from a common origin. These are simply 2 of the many pieces of evidence for the big bang.

Show me evidence for Divine Creation and I will listen (or read in this case).
 
Zet said:
Hey OP,

God is real, try proving the Big Bang Theory without disproving the law of conservation of mass.
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And now for the Physics:

Vacuum Fluctuations! From quantum field theory we know that these indeed come from nowhere. Basically, a positron, a photon and an electron all just appear out of nowhere, hang about for a while and then suddenly cease to exist, leaving no mass or energy behind.

That my friend is proof for both the big bang or creationism.

Besides, the total energy of the universe is exactly zero therefore we havn't actually created anything, we just have zero like at the big bang. After all, 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 x 0 is just 0.

Physics FTW!
 
I'm a very non-religious Christain.
I believe in God and Jesus.

I do not believe that God and Jesus are bigoted in any way.

Some people in religious groups discriminate against others, saying they'll go to hell unless they "change".

I believe God didn't have any sort of consenting this behavoir, and the bigotry in Christainity is all because of misinterpretation, or because some guy along the lines was a bigot and started to make a religion see his/her views by tying it to God.

I'm non-religious, because I don't make religion my life.
Just my views.

and with the thread's topic,
I have to agree that so many religions have created conflicts in the world.
Shesh, every idea is conflicted between humans.
"I think peanut butter is the best thing in the world! :D"
"NO, BOLOGNA IS!"

etc.

There really isn't anything we can do but make World Peace happen and equal rights to everyone.

EVERYONE.
My God, even Women still don't have rights in some places. >.>"
 
Zet said:
Hey OP,

God is real, try proving the Big Bang Theory without disproving the law of conservation of mass.
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Zet wins. Only something along the lines of god could cause the big bang to happen because it directly conflicts with laws that are well accepted as fact by assuming there was always matter of some sort there.

This is evidence supporting something supernatural happened somewhere down the line in order to break the laws that binds reality as we know it.

Rich Boy Rob said:
Try to explain The Creation Theory without disproving the law of conservation of mass. Works both ways.
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No... it doesn't. A theoretical god is not bound by these rules while science is. It's a well known fact that God is said to have created matter. Just saying, does not work both ways.
 
PkMnTrainer Yellow said:
Zet wins. Only something along the lines of god could cause the big bang to happen because it directly conflicts with laws that are well accepted as fact by assuming there was always matter of some sort there.

This is evidence supporting something supernatural happened somewhere down the line in order to break the laws that binds reality as we know it.



No... it doesn't. A theoretical god is not bound by these rules while science is. It's a well known fact that God is said to have created matter. Just saying, does not work both ways.
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The Cynic said:


And now for the Physics:

Vacuum Fluctuations! From quantum field theory we know that these indeed come from nowhere. Basically, a positron, a photon and an electron all just appear out of nowhere, hang about for a while and then suddenly cease to exist, leaving no mass or energy behind.

That my friend is proof for both the big bang or creationism.

Besides, the total energy of the universe is exactly zero therefore we havn't actually created anything, we just have zero like at the big bang. After all, 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 x 0 is just 0.

Physics FTW!
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Did you not see my Physicsilicious post? You can get something from nothing so no, Zet does not win.
 
The Cynic said:

Did you not see my Physicsilicious post? You can get something from nothing so no, Zet does not win.
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I demand sources and scientific evidence before I so much as consider a post that defies one of the most basic laws of the universe I know and accept. o.o So I will not be responding to your post before such. Nothing personal.

So until you can do that...
 
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