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[Crystal-Heart]

-legasp!- happy birthday crys! :D thanks for the banners. -goes to put one in signature-
so, what's the discussion at the moment? i'm like kingdom hearts deprived at the moment, since none of my friends like it & are unwilling to listen to me babble. xD
i already spoiled myself so badly for bbs - i can't wait for it to come out.

Thanks and you're welcome.

The discussion is pretty much whatever we feel like talking about in relation to Kingdom Hearts, although a spoiler rule is in effect until 3-4 months after Birth by Sleep's European release, so anything that could be seen as a spoiler in that game is to be put into spoiler tags.

My birthday proved to also be a lucky day, because when I went out to get myself some B-Day presents, I found two things I've been looking for for a while and I also spent money on two other things I really like.
1) The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past manga. I've been searching for it because its my fav. Zelda game.
2) Final Fantasy VI Advance - You'd be amazed how hard it is to find around here.
3) An actual, official Luigi hat. Gotta love the overlooked brother.
4) Put down $15 on Birth by Sleep at GameStop.

 

[Riku]

Well, I'm glad it was a good day for ya Crys. You're a pretty cool person, so you deserved it.


On a BbS note, has anyone heard anything new? I haven't been able to access Square's sites or KHI.

 

[Rokusasu]

3) An actual, official Luigi hat. Gotta love the overlooked brother.

Yes! Because no-one pays attention to Weegee! Dx

-yawn-

Uhhh. BbS. I haven't heard anything new. >: Tried downloading the theme for my PSP, then I realised I can't hook the darn thing up to my laptop. ;_;

I want to download the BbS soundtrack, but am scared of there being spoilers in song titles. Could someone please confirm whether or not I'd be spoiled? |:

Spoiler:

I know there's a Vanitas boss battle theme... But that's about it.

 

[Riku]

As far as I know, Roku, there aren't any spoiler song titles. Then again, I'm not sifting through every song title to confirm that. Unless you ask and can point me to a site where I can find every song. =3

 

[Crystal-Heart]

Yes! Because no-one pays attention to Weegee! Dx

Luigi's been my favorite Mario character for years. Which is fitting, because my brother's is Mario. We constantly have Red vs Green battles, since they are also our respective favorite colors. (although I have a love of blue too)

I want to download the BbS soundtrack, but am scared of there being spoilers in song titles. Could someone please confirm whether or not I'd be spoiled? |:

I don't think Birth by Sleep has a soundtrack released yet, since I looked for one yesterday. I have a gamerip one and there's only one spoiler in it, and its for a boss battle. I can edit the name of the track to "Event Boss Battle" and send you it if you want. Most of mine lack names and have generic names, like the Final Boss track on mine is called Battle 1.

 

[Sarcastic Prince]

Which boss do you hate the most in ANY Kingdom Hearts game?
For me, it's going to be the Giant Oogie Boogie Mansion in Kingdom Hearts I.
This battle just pisses me off.

 

[Cherrim]

There's no official OST out for Birth By Sleep, only the gamerips, but the music in it is amazing. My personal favourites are the BGMs (both idle and battle) in Enchanted Dominion, the typical boss battles, Dearly Beloved (it really does get better with each game), Fragments of Sorrow, and then some of the final boss battles. The final battle theme for Terra's story is probably my favourite of those--I think most fans are calling it "A Battle of Great Valour" (or at least that's what I tagged mine as, after a Youtube uploader named it). :'D

Most hated boss in the series? @_@ Hmm. I shall go by fight.

KH1 - Ursula and final Ansem.
(Re:)COM - Probably Ansem again. (Though for the looongest time it was Marluxia. xD)
KH2 - Last part of the Xemnas fight, the Terra fight (FM+) and the Roxas fight (FM+ again).
Days - Parasite Grave. Oh god parasite grave. D: I forget its English name but that one boss in Halloween Town. That special mission still gets me pissed off even just thinking about it. XD
BBS - Final boss in arena mode. :/ And I guess the secret boss sice I never did beat it but I also never gave it a good try.

All in all, I still rage when I think about Parasite Grave so let's give full honours to that one as least favourite boss. xD;

 

[shinygoldash]

KH Well probably the AnsemRiku you fight in HB
Re:COM I think one of the marluxia battles because they're annoying.
Days The Heartless Eater by a mile. I nearly didnt play to the end because of it.
KH2 It WAS demyx but i guess that Medalion thing in Port Royal. (Combo XD. then 2 hits in and it regaisn immortality)

 

[Cherrim]

...oh my god I totally forgot about the Riku fight in KH1. That's how bad it was--I must've blocked it from my memory. XD;

 

[Riku]

Well, if we're going for optional bosses too, then....

KH: Phantom. I never could use my magic effectively and efficiently enough. Otherwise, I'd have to say the first Ursula fight. Once again for magic reasons.
CoM (Surprisingly, I'm the reverse of a lot of you. I played the original, not the remake.): The final Vexen fight. I hadn't collected enough Fire Spell cards, and, well, with that bloody shield he has.....
Days: Surprisingly, not Leechgrave. I found that one rather enjoyable. I had forgotten how fun a KH boss could be. My least favorite was that impossible to beat Dustflier in Twilight Town. Everything it did, even fly and land, took a chunk of my health. And, another couple that drove me insane were the Antis. They were fun, but OMG THEY WERE ANNOYING.
BbS: Haven't played, so I can't say.



On a side note to anyone who's played BbS and gotten the secret boss unlocked....

Spoiler:

Does that secret boss not remind you of the Antis in Days? They aren't their real characters, just shadows of them (or, in this case, another sentiment), yet they're still far more difficult and far more aggressive.

 

[Cherrim]

I don't think the Anti-forms in Days were supposed to be actual Anti-forms. Or even shadows, really. They were just like that so that when you were playing Mission Mode as that person (ie, fighting Riku as/with Riku or fighting Saïx as/with Saïx), it wouldn't be confusing. u_u; I considered Mission Mode to be kind of like data fights so non-canon and can't be considered plot, so the fights you encounter in it aren't anything out of the norm and aesthetic changes are only that to avoid confusion.

But it does seem like they aren't trying to explain the secret fights anymore. :/

Slight spoilers for BBS (I don't spoil the secret battle's identity or anything, I just go on about other secret battles in comparison xD):

Spoiler:

Nomura has already said that when you fight Terra/Enigmatic Soldier (or whatever the official name was) in FM+, it's not canon. Sora never actually fights him. This is polar opposite from KH1's added secret battle, where Sora battles Xemnas in FM and the fight is referenced in KH2. (The rest of KH1's additional battles were against heartless or inconsequential enemies so I don't count them as much.) And I assume the same is with BBS. :/ They didn't come up with a new/interesting boss fight that could be tied into the plot at all so they just... didn't bother, I guess?

I guess it's supposed to be kind of like the illusion fights with the Chain of Memories Organization members in FM+, like fighting Marluxia's absent silhouette in Beast's Castle or Zexion in the Underworld. But at least those were pointless additional fights... and were explained away later as data fights when you find the Garden of Assemblage. But for the main "extra" fight to be literally there just for the sake of adding a really hard fight (I think Nomura has said something to this effect) just kinda bugs me. idk, I'd rather they have amped up the Aqua final battle in the epilogue. u_u;;

I mean, I guess I just dislike that even if you beat the secret boss in BBS, all you get for it is a mark in your journal and bragging rights. :( I'd rather get even a slight hint at future game plots. Or something. At least if they'd made the Aqua final battle the "secret" battle (since you do have to do journal-related things in order to get to it, iirc), we'd be graced with the secret ending. (Yeah, you don't even have to beat the secret boss to get the proper ending in BBS.) As a result, I'm really not too bothered that I accidentally saved over my Aqua save file with the epilogue save file... which can't be used to access the secret fight. So I can't do it unless I train someone else and I really don't want to so I don't plan to. :/

Dustflier wasn't particularly hard for me--it takes absolutely forever if you don't have Zero Gear equipped but if you do have it and a few sense panels, it goes down fairly quickly. You just have to watch its patterns and make sure not to do what I did very often, which is accidentally glide out of the area while gliding out of the way fffffff.

 

[Riku]

I kinda figured that was the case with the Antiforms, but still.... As innovative as this series is, it does seem at times that it's starting to lose its creative spark as far as enemies go. Even the plot (at least for this initial Xehanort Saga) is starting to get repetitive. You wield a BFK. You go from Disney World to Disney World and a couple of Square generated ones, all on a search for some form of the main antagonist Xehanort, just so you can say: Hero SMASH! and smack him around with said BFK. It's actually started to annoy me lately the more I read about BbS... They have indeed answered some long-standing questions, but in doing so have only created twice as many new questions. CURSE TETSUYA AND HIS MYSTERIOUS WAYS!


....

Sorry.

Now that think, though, he and Xemnas have that one thing in common when talking about KH: they're always talking in such a grandiose manner and manage to use that to get away with not answering a single question.




ANYWHO, since you have had the opportunity to play it, Light, how many different Keychains did you ultimately wind up being able to get? And what was your favorite one?

 

[Cherrim]

Pretty much the only thing I did not complete in BBS was that extra fight. :> So I got all the different keyblades but my favourite was probably Aqua's final keyblade, Bright Crest.

(Design-wise, I like Destiny Place but it makes the most annoying noise when you hit things with it so I hated using it. ;_;)

 

[Captain Riolu]

I was kidding. I know it'd be horrid. But a quick question I have a feeling I'll regret: WHAT is the obsession with Terra's pants about? Or rather, WHY the obsession?

Terra's Pants is the ultimate KH character. Jack of all trades, master of all. I don't know who that brown haired guy is who is wearing them, though.

. Oh, and don't worry Riolu, I've got a co-owner version of the Aqua one, I'll send you a PM if you want it.

Oh please do!

And Happy belated birthday!

 

[Riku]

All right, all right! I yield to you and your loyal sovereign, the Pants. They are master, they are supreme. >,>


Anyway, I've been looking at those Keyblades via the KH Wiki, and I gotta say: I'm kinda disappointed in their designs. Aqua's are by far the more creative ones, aside from maybe the Ultima Weapon of this game. What I'm most disappointed with about this game, though, is....

Spoiler:

The "Chi-blade" or X-Blade as some call it. It makes me think it's Square's KH answer to the Soul Calibur. And it actually has a BLADE to it. Meesa no likey dat.

 

[Cherrim]

Spoiler:

The X-blade confused the hell out of me because they were still saying "keyblade" when it was spoken but the writing was most definitely not "keyblade". XD;; But it's just a plot device and not really a used keyblade so there's no real worry there. :s It'd definitely be pretty hax if it was a useable one.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of many of the keyblades in BBS. All the ones I liked were Aqua's. u_u

 

[Riku]

Spoiler:

Yeah. Gotta love how Tetsuya likes to have such insight. But seriously: the "Chi-blade" is seriously the worst idea ever. At least Number XIV made SOME sense, but this is like the fantard's ultimate fantasy for this series. And you know what wouldn't suprise me in the least? In the final part of this Saga, the X-Blade comes back, and Xehanort finally succeeds in opening KH.

My favorite humorous keyblade, though, has gotta be that Tower of Sweetness Keyblade or whatever it's called. It is probably the most original (although highly suspected on my part) Keyblade to be made.

 

[Cherrim]

Spoiler:

Well, I dunno. I think it's kind of logical. :( Or it makes more sense to me than a lot of subplots in KH, anyway. I think it's one of those things where you have to play the game and see the story unfold for yourself. Seeing someone's leaked summaries/translations just isn't the same.

I know when I was trying to explain Xion to a friend who didn't care about spoilers before Days came out in English, he said it made nooo sense, but once the English version came out, he understood. I don't think my explanation was bad, but now that KH's story is getting more and more twisted/puzzling, it's just hard to keep track of everything in your own language, let alone translations that may not cover every important detail. XD;

But the X-blade isn't too confusing. @@; And though it may not necessarily come back, I've no doubt Xehanort is still around and still trying to screw around with KH. >:O

The ice cream one? Yeah it's... it's certainly different. XD;

 

[Riku]

Yeah. The ice cream one. Ever since.... was it CoM or 2 that had the ice cream references? I dun remember..... But I have been expecting a Keyblade that looks like an ice cream sunday for awhile.... Ice cream has just been an important thing so far, so it's only natural that they'd want to symbolize that in a Keyblade.

Spoiler:

It's funny.... I spoiled myself for Days as well, but I understood the Xion thing really well. They were building on subtle hints previously mentioned in the series. With the X-Blade, nothing was mentioned by anyone, not even Yen-Sid, who has such a mysteriously vast amount of knowledge where the Keyblade is concerned. It just seemed.... I dunno.... Too iffy to me. I know the gist of what happens, but since I don't understand Japanese save a few key words, it's harder for me to know the story behind it. I can't find any decent summaries on the X-Blade ANYWHERE, so maybe that's why.

 

[Cherrim]

Spoiler:

Well, I'm nowhere near my PSP to even look up cutscenes to give a proper summary (nor have I played it in several months, so I can't do it from the top of my head) but it makes a better subgame plot device than Xion did, at least. @_@;

I love Xion but I dislike how her character is pretty much only retconned into the series so that Square-Enix could cash in on the DS crowd with a spinoff. :( The X-Blade may be a bit of a cliché (it's logical but you could still see it coming, I guess) but... idk, at least it didn't seem so out of place/obvious it was just filler for a spinoff game. Even with that subplot, BBS still feels like a full game. @_@