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4th Gen Team Rocket speculation

I was just saying what I think would take place in a real-world situation, though Zeta's idea makes sense too. I really hope they don't change too much of the story in Kanto, and having Team Rocket there would do that. But I really wouldn't mind if they were, but working more subtly, with underground networks and key players, like Zeta. If they wanted to expand the plot of the game, but not completely destroy the original story, they'd do that.

I would love to see Giovanni make a return, but that would go against his character in the first game. Yeah, beating him a few times and him saying "Okay. I'll be good now." really was deus ex machina, but changing that wouldn't be much better. I'm hoping for just a minor cameo, like a hermit trying to find himself as I suggested. An interesting twist would be having to recruit him to finally put down TR in Kanto, but we'll see what really happens.
 
Also, following Redstar's theory and then Zeta's, my opinion is that Giovanni just won't be there.
First of all, it wouldn't make so much sense because he really left Team Rocket to get a new life and period, and we've seen it on FR/LG. Team Rocket's appearance on Johto may be considered as the "Neo Team Rocket" (as Twilight Requiem said) born, and so there would be a new leader, and this leader being Will and Karen (from the E4). They are from Johto so they could simply play the role of leaders, aswell the old Elite members would be back (Nothing is known about Agatha's and Lorelei's/Prima's left).

I know it also may not make sense, but, if Team Rocket would have a better role in the game (I hope so, because he did not have a BIG role as Magma/Aqua/Galactic in the games), and the storyline being continued on Kanto, there should be a leader. The Mask of Ice would be irreal, it is a kind of "Ghost which is taking control of children(later adults) and, my opinion, it would not fit".

Also, suposing that Giovanni has a son, and he does have a mother (Madame Boss), there are so many key characters to play the role of TeamRocket Leader(s).

And it doesn't mean that Giovanni wouldn't have a role on the game, it could, the same way Cinnabar Island can. After his left from TeamRocket, and the control taken on Goldenrod's Radio Tower, he may help you in the storyline. This is just an example.

Anyway, this is just an opinion, a bit messed because I'm linking the games to the manga, and they have nothing to do with each other in the role. But as I said before, Team Rocket without a leader can't have a good role, they may, but it doesn't seem good, for me.
 
There are just so many options that people can use with Team Rocket that it is uncountable, but it is what GameFrak decides on doing with it all that we'll have to wait and see for. I mean, even if Team Rocket doesn't show up in Kanto, I would still like some kind of plot to happen, either it be somewhat involved with Team Rocket's previous events or someone trying to start something new.
 
Zeta Dimentio said:
It would be difficult, but not impossible to reform Team Rocket in Kanto. They just need to hide out until they can get enough people to overpower the police, or do such a big strike against Kanto to leave their forces crippled. It would be difficult, but it wouldn't be impossible. It has been shown that the defences were upped in the original G/S in case of Team Rocket's return, but it isn't impossible to reform there. Besides, there could have been many people secretly working for Team Rocket in high positions that weren't caught... yes, probably not true, but it is possible. Also, one of the underground tunnels was closed, and Cinnabar is almost deserted, there could be networks in those two places that no one knows about, and if they decide to add it in, than the Sevii Islands. They didn't do anything major there, just looked through two places for two stones, nothing drastic enough to really get worried, unless they get paranoid of course.

Team Rocket showed potential to return in G/S. Maybe it doesn't mean anything, but there was a member in Kanto who took a part of a machine from the Power Plant, which, since it is possibly the biggest power plant in Kanto (If there are more, but realistically speaking, there should be more.) It should have some sort of security, because if it were attacked, than the consequences would be devastating. It supplied power to the Magnet Train, and possibly supplied thousands of buildings, including major buildings with power, but that was unable to be touched on, as that would cause the region to be shut down.

But I doubt they would go through the hard work involved to return to Kanto... maybe Sevii Islands, but not Kanto. Redstar's argument makes a lot of sense, more than mine in my own opinion.
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That's true, as G/S proved on how the organization can get mobilized quickly, judging on the effective ness of their storming the Radio Tower. They certainly planned it ahead of time, as well, whenever you first arrive in Goldenrod and deal with the Rocket, there.

Conversely, we don't know much of the police structure in the games (which is a strength of the anime, as we know more on the police), and they don't present much challenge (that's why we have the player, who does the police's dirty work).

Remember, it's all about money to the Rockets. So, it's either a hostage situation for, say, the Bullet Train or selling the land for construction and having a major payoff, there (like in real life).

I could buy the subversion, as Pokemon Special made a great point in addressing it with Surge, Koga and Sabrina (Blaine, technically, but he was more on the scientist side and the first to defect).

Unlike Aqua, Magma and Galactic, the Rockets aren't trapped in any twisted altrustic approach and/or want to advance the world in some fanatical world view. After all, Galactic co-opted Team Rocket's domination theme, yet they had a crazy leader who wanted to be God. So, that's Team Rocket's great advantage with their leaders -- sanity, or close to it. Complete with the bottom line, which does matter, as those fancy uniforms aren't cheap.
 
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Does anyone else just love doing the Team Rocket missions to foil TR? I really like Team Rocket and I think the Radio Station takeover was really cool, as well as battling them in the underground. I think they should have Team Rocket more involved though. Having more attempts at their evil schemes then having to go over and battle them would be great, maybe having them a little tougher.

I remember in B/R/S having to go underground in Celadon at the gaming place, that was a lot of fun.
 
Yes, with Team Rocket there was a lot more fun. Actually, come to think of it, Team Rocket has given me more of a challenge and thrill over the rest of Teams such as Galactic, Magma, and Aqua.
 
Yeah Team Rocket are the best organisation going because their only goal was to make money so it is quite easy to have them do more in the remakes because with everything you had to do in the original games they were darting about all over the place so you can have them just constantly making havoc instead of having a fixed storyline with them all the time.
 
If Team Rocket thickens there plot a bit in the story,, not by much to change it from the old game's originality but to extend it out, then I think I wouldn't mind too much. They're get rich quick schemes always kept me interested.
 
Yeah I agree with you there they were always amussing weren't they lol.
 
They have the best plots, the best outfits, and they were completely more original than the newer themes. So, if Team Rocket is left alone, besides for maybe new rosters on their team and higher levels, then I wouldn't be moved in anyway, but satisfied.
 
TR was the best, and Giovanni was killer. The rest of the team leaders are just crazy people who have no lives. I want to see what their sprites will look like in battle, especially the executives. They were always the funniest to beat. And I think they should let us join TR, that would be fun! (Yes, I know that would most likely not happen. :3)
 
Joining Team Rocket, that would be crazy but fun. It won't happen though, as we all know.

I am excited to see how their sprites are as well. I did get to see one in a Coro Coro Scan by the Slowpoke well, but I don't know if that was one of them.
 
Charaxes said:
Edit: I hope we'll finally get official names for the male and female Execs. I wonder if we'll get backstory, too.
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Bit off the 'current' topic, but: Doesn't the Player/Lance battle both executives in the Mahogany base? Anyone for a Lance-Player VS Executives double battle? (Makes sense; it happened with Steven/Cynthia) I think the dialogue implied the battle to be a double-battle, but at the time was technically impossible.

(Yes, Backstory and Names! I remember thinking that the Executives were different people with each re-appearance... I was young ^3^)
 
I wonder if Team Rocket will get a little bit stronger? I would only hope so because most of them were too weak for me.
 
I don't know if I want them to reveal anything about Silver being Giovanii's son really. Though, like ~Morning Bliss~ mentioned, I wouldn't mind them getting a bit stronger at all.
 
Someone mentioned on how the fact on how the Rockets are capable of being omnipresent, because they weren't fixed on any particular element of the story (like the Legendaries with M/A/G). It certainly implies much flexibility, as, well, making money and unleashing chaos isn't as convoluted as M/A acquiring of Groudon/Kyorge or Cyrus and the Red Chain. Frankly, Cyrus' plan really could have blown up on him, as do you want to mess with the Space/Time mega-God? Imagine if he wanted Arceus? Oy.

Side rant aside, I think one major aspect of Team Rocket is they are instigators and they find a way to profit from it (Mt. Moon, Slowpoke Well). Sometimes, they create chaos and can use it to their advantage, like the Red Gyarados. They didn't intend for a Magikarp to evolve that way, but, sometimes, even chaos can be beneficial (to the creator and the createe).

As for the Double battle aspect with Lance and the Execs, yeah, I fully expect that, as we've seen in the past two generations. So, I'll call it a given.

Let's shift the topic on the sole Rocket Grunt in Kanto with the Power Plant part. How about a wave of Rockets, instead, like the Nugget Bridge with the non-Rocket Trainers in R/B/Y? Because after taking down a slew of them at the Radio Tower, seeing only one lone Rocket in Kanto -- it's kinda lame.
 
Seeing one Rocket Grunt is pretty lame, I agree.

Though, besides that, Team Rocket is also a more realistic kind of team, as today, people don't really look to take over the world as many view it to be. They actually are just trying to get money and get rich with evil, bad-guy schemes. So, it makes it a lot better to me seeing as it isn't something so unrelaistic, but something that people today might even do.
 
I hope Nintendo will develop Team Rocket more...
I hadn't seen them getting involve with legendaries...
Perhaps Celebi will be the right choice?
Let's say that Team Rocket wants to go back in time(3 years ago...) to find Giovanni... And they wanted to use Celebi's power(as it has the power to go to different times).
 
The Celebi idea would be pretty cool to see, though I would forsee another kind of distorted worl in it. Nah, I prefer for them to stick to their more realistic plans than break the bend that far.
 
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