tEMafia!!!

[Melody]

Klippy said it himself; I've been playing pretty normally for me. Which is to say I do actually march to the beat of my own drum in most ways of play style. I'd rather not often have to explain myself at every turn; but plenty of people see me as easy to challenge because I won't play in ways that conforms to anything but the basic expectation that I'm going for my assigned win condition.

I would think though that I've been active enough to show my intentions however; and that those intentions are clearly temmie. I'd lean for voting NK, but not just because they're quiet; they've been consistently quiet. Much different than d2-ing someone because they kept their trap shut through the first day; I expect that from a fresher player. Falling busy happens but at least a small statement with their votes would have saved them from being more profoundly quiet than most players here will tolerate.

I've been more chatty than I usually am in games; but admittedly that's because I'm not in multiple games and I'm taking my time and effort with this one. Getting back into playing slowly made sense to me. Regardless of that; I'd just be another pointless sacrifice if I was lynched; I don't see any real reasons of substance against me. I'm admittedly pretty suspicious of Johnny and Klippy obviously; but I'm not 100% sure on them yet.

I've seen Johnny push and soft on a number of players though as I have seen Klippy do the same; so I think we need to pay close attention on who's pushing and softing on who to know what might be the one playing dirty. So Syndrome's idea to go ahead and drop a lynch on Klippy isn't unwise; even if it might be more of a fear kill. But then of course if Klippy were to flip inno; I'd probably suggest turning the lynch on Syndrome himself; or on NightKrow, assuming that Syn's misread can be explained appropriately. This is something he could even try do this phase; if he really thinks it's worth leading the charge on his suspect.

I'd have pushed and lead on NK; but that's pointless and would be seen as doubly suspicious; so I won't spearhead or join that unless someone has a better reason lined up for why we should. That doesn't mean I won't join a bandwagon I don't like, just for the sake of keeping things progressing, but I'll always note if I'm joining under protest of some sort. It would do best to note this when I do it.

I've laid out who I'd follow a lynch on, and shown my work as it were; revealing my suspicions. I swear to god if I get any more verbose on this game I'd be playing typically and predictably. That's not my desired style however.

IT would appear that as I compose this long form post; already another has voted; and a neutral party at that. With that in mind; I'll go ahead and [##Tag]NightKrow and leave it there. Klippy gets the phase's benefit of the doubt at least for my POV, though I'll be wary still.

 

[NightKrow]

sorry guys I've been doing uni things and now I can't think straight because the people I was with were doing shots and I had a couple and I found out they're disgusting so never againnnnn....

anyway fair enough you guys are suspicious of me and I can't stop you from feeling that way but perhaps I could dance for you if that helps? Dancing reveals a tem tho, so I didn't really see a reason to do it until now.

 

[Syndrome]

Shots of what.

Also, go for it.

 

[Superjolt]

Ok, mostly caught up, but I think I need to do another read through. For now I want to respond to this:

I would think though that I've been active enough to show my intentions however; and that those intentions are clearly temmie. I'd lean for voting NK, but not just because they're quiet; they've been consistently quiet. Much different than d2-ing someone because they kept their trap shut through the first day; I expect that from a fresher player. Falling busy happens but at least a small statement with their votes would have saved them from being more profoundly quiet than most players here will tolerate.

I don't think it's really that strange for NightKrow to fall silent at times though? What makes NightKrow's situation any different than say... Nani?

I've seen Johnny push and soft on a number of players though as I have seen Klippy do the same; so I think we need to pay close attention on who's pushing and softing on who to know what might be the one playing dirty. So Syndrome's idea to go ahead and drop a lynch on Klippy isn't unwise; even if it might be more of a fear kill. But then of course if Klippy were to flip inno; I'd probably suggest turning the lynch on Syndrome himself; or on NightKrow, assuming that Syn's misread can be explained appropriately. This is something he could even try do this phase; if he really thinks it's worth leading the charge on his suspect.

Ok, people need to stop with the whole "this person pushed for a mislynch/made a misread, must be scum!" line of thinking. What makes Syn public enemy #1 if Klippy were lynched and flipped inno? Where exactly does NightKrow fit in with what you're talking about here? Some things are worded pretty strangely here. I'm not even sure what you mean by that last sentence.

I'd have pushed and lead on NK; but that's pointless and would be seen as doubly suspicious; so I won't spearhead or join that unless someone has a better reason lined up for why we should. That doesn't mean I won't join a bandwagon I don't like, just for the sake of keeping things progressing, but I'll always note if I'm joining under protest of some sort. It would do best to note this when I do it.

I don't understand why anyone wouldn't push for a suspicion they have. Why would it make you look suspicious? You sound concerned about your own skin.

I've laid out who I'd follow a lynch on, and shown my work as it were; revealing my suspicions. I swear to god if I get any more verbose on this game I'd be playing typically and predictably. That's not my desired style however.

You have? From what I see, your suspicions are "everyone who opposed the plan of being quiet" (which looks like Syn and Klippy and... Johnny I guess?) and then... NightKrow. I don't even see what makes NightKrow more suspicious than the others in your eyes (not to mention your reason for suspecting NightKrow is because she's being "consistently quiet", which is sort of ironic after the whole "be quiet" plan from D2)

IT would appear that as I compose this long form post; already another has voted; and a neutral party at that. With that in mind; I'll go ahead and [##Tag]NightKrow and leave it there. Klippy gets the phase's benefit of the doubt at least for my POV, though I'll be wary still.

So going for a NK lynch would have been pointless and would've made you look suspicious before... but now it's okay to vote her? AND you vote (apparently) because others are voting for her...? It's like you're trying to avoid the commitment to your NK-read and waiting for others to do the work for you. (Btw, if you were following along and voting along with a town read, your vote might be more understandable, but you refer to Bard as a "neutral party". A neutral/null read is still not a town read, so why would you be willing to follow along anyway?)

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I do, also, feel Melody is playing her usual style which is ALWAYS suspicious. Melody is always suspected of foul play in these games very, very easily. Johnny does have some points though, but I'm not 100% confident in that one either.

Might have been inclined to agree before this day phase, but I really don't like her most recent post

I'm almost certain that Abby is not the human. Abby plays like this in almost every game, so I don't think there's much to see there. I felt suspicious about NightKrow at first, but now I feel like they just joined the game and fell inactive, for whatever reason. I mean, yeah they've contributed nearly nothing to the game which makes it very hard on the town, but hear me out. What if frisk is one of the more active users who's blended in with the discussions? That way, they'd avoid the suspicion of not posting, and they could lie low by contributing somewhat and steering the town off track.

Now this is a bit of a stretch. And I have absolutely no proof to back it up. But what if Klippy is Frisk? He's better at doing what I just mentioned than almost anyone else in the game, and not to mention that he's done it in quite a few games already. I think that we go after him, and if it isn't him, we start picking off those who aren't contributing jack **** because I really don't know what else to do right now.

Couldn't the other vocal players also fit here though? What do you think about Melody?

 

[Klippy]

Superjolt, I see you're doubting Melody in your post (in response to me). I'm currently at work and on my phone, but I haven't had the chance to fully read her recent post or some of the others. I will cast my vote tonight before I go to bed.

 

[NightKrow]

Shots of what.

Also, go for it.

One of vodka, one of gin. ew.

And you sure you want me to dance? I didn't think we wanted tems revealed. I won't do it for now but if more people want me to then I will.

Gonna vote before I go to sleep, and the more I think about it the more I find myself agreeing with Johnny and Superjolt about Melody. It's strange how she said her main scumreads were people who didn't comply with the quiet plan on D2, but then she votes for me because...there were people suspicious of me before. Making me an easy option to pick, I suppose. She seems to be contradicting herself a lot, with this vote and for the Gunner thing, comes across like scum trying to fit in with the crowd. The use of the phase "clears me of all suspicion" when talking about something that doesn't really clear her of all suspicion also seems off.

also looking at Superjolt's analysis of her posts she seems to have some sort of obsession with me and that makes me uncomfortable... [##Tag] Melody

Well that was my two cents, time for zzzzz

 

[Melody]

Going to go ahead and assert further suspicions in Johnny and Superjolt; they seem to be pressing on me for no apparently good reason either. If I pass in the night phase I'd be looking really hard at everyone I've suspected even slightly.

Johnny seems to be really hard pressing his view against me; which isn't surprising. Wouldn't be surprised if he were the human after all. Regardless I'm going in the direction of the current lynch for a reason. My reasons are all lined out and they aren't that confusing; though my post is probably more of raw thought process dump than it is a processed write-up.

Superjolt's analysis is largely flawed. If you ask any of the more experienced UG players; they will tell you I am not a conventional player by any means. It does you no well to read that deeply into my posts or see intentions that aren't there. They seem odd because of the volumes of things I won't share because they're not important or assumed you knew.

 

[Syndrome]

One of vodka, one of gin. ew.

And you sure you want me to dance? I didn't think we wanted tems revealed. I won't do it for now but if more people want me to then I will.

Gonna vote before I go to sleep, and the more I think about it the more I find myself agreeing with Johnny and Superjolt about Melody. It's strange how she said her main scumreads were people who didn't comply with the quiet plan on D2, but then she votes for me because...there were people suspicious of me before. Making me an easy option to pick, I suppose. She seems to be contradicting herself a lot, with this vote and for the Gunner thing, comes across like scum trying to fit in with the crowd. The use of the phase "clears me of all suspicion" when talking about something that doesn't really clear her of all suspicion also seems off.

also looking at Superjolt's analysis of her posts she seems to have some sort of obsession with me and that makes me uncomfortable... [##Tag] Melody

Well that was my two cents, time for zzzzz

Yeah. That is gross.

Can you decide who to reveal? If so, choose a person you find suspicious and let it rip. Though you said it only reveals tems, so I doubt if you target frisk or anyone else they'll get revealed.

 

[Klippy]

Okay. Sort of caught up. I do agree that Night should dance. If she can target someone specifically, all the better. I'm not really feeling this Melody lynch though. I am 50/50 honestly. This is really close to Melody's style of play. But right now the lynch sits between her and Night. The only viable third options (to me) are the extremely quiet because they're absolutely not contributing to the game and that makes them pretty neutral lynch choices. :/

I really doubt her dance would reveal Frisk, Bob, or non-tEMs if it says tEMs.

For Superjolt and Johnny, I'd say they're playing extremely standard for themselves. Johnny is always aggressive and hostile (not that that means much) and Superjolt is usually analytical and less posty.

 

[Klippy]

Haha! I swear I didn't mean that in an offensive way. I just meant that you play more aggressively than most do.

 

[Syndrome]

If Night does her little dance or whatever, then I'm leaning more towards Melody right about now. Superjolt made some very good points in his post.

 

[Superjolt]

Going to go ahead and assert further suspicions in Johnny and Superjolt; they seem to be pressing on me for no apparently good reason either. If I pass in the night phase I'd be looking really hard at everyone I've suspected even slightly.

Johnny seems to be really hard pressing his view against me; which isn't surprising. Wouldn't be surprised if he were the human after all. Regardless I'm going in the direction of the current lynch for a reason. My reasons are all lined out and they aren't that confusing; though my post is probably more of raw thought process dump than it is a processed write-up.

Superjolt's analysis is largely flawed. If you ask any of the more experienced UG players; they will tell you I am not a conventional player by any means. It does you no well to read that deeply into my posts or see intentions that aren't there. They seem odd because of the volumes of things I won't share because they're not important or assumed you knew.

I was hoping more for you to clear things up, but nice to know you'd rather OMGUS me instead... I didn't even vote for you yet btw.

I think you've forgotten that I've been playing in the UG way back since PCU, which, if you remember our roles in that game, you would know that I do have at least some idea of how your thought process works :P Here's the thing though - yeah, ok, I know you say things that sound weird like all the time. But I can't really remember a time where you've been this inconsistent. And this still doesn't explain why you're voting NightKrow above the rest of your suspects.

This isn't even the only reason I think you're sus. I still dislike your reasons for lynching Gunner, and also I can see scum intent in the whole "be quiet" plan from D2 (but if you want to be cryptic, I'll let you figure out the reasons for that :P)

Okay. Sort of caught up. I do agree that Night should dance. If she can target someone specifically, all the better. I'm not really feeling this Melody lynch though. I am 50/50 honestly. This is really close to Melody's style of play. But right now the lynch sits between her and Night. The only viable third options (to me) are the extremely quiet because they're absolutely not contributing to the game and that makes them pretty neutral lynch choices. :/

Klippy, you're against an Abby, NK or Melody lynch. Do you have any suspects besides the lurkers?

I really doubt her dance would reveal Frisk, Bob, or non-tEMs if it says tEMs.

Huh... if that's how it works, if NK tells us her target before she does the dance and the target doesn't get revealed, wouldn't that pretty much confirm the target either way (or at least narrow things down if there turns out to be other non-tEM roles)?

@Syndrome: I don't think that Golgari would have copped Klippy. His main issue was with players who voted without contributing.

[##Tag]NightKrow

Why are you voting NK?

 

[Superjolt]

@Superjolt: Melody voted for you instead of voting for me, right? Remember how I said in my post "in case I'm bob" just to mess with the mafia's head? I think she voted you instead of me because my tactic worked lol, she must be going around her head if I'm Bob or not.

Let's put it this way:

>I explained my reasons to vote Melody but WIFOM'd being Bob.
>Melody doesn't retaliate
>Superjolt agrees with my reasoning and suss her
>Melody retaliates agains Superjolt

She might as well have done this because she bought my bluff. Which might or might not be true ;)

She didn't vote me though, she just stated suspicion of me after I picked apart her post (which is still OMGUS if she can't justify her suspicion)

 

[Klippy]

Klippy, you're against an Abby, NK or Melody lynch. Do you have any suspects besides the lurkers??

I'm just wary of voting them based SOLELY on their play styles alone (the main Melody charge seemed to be her posting behavior, but that's super common for her). I feel that lurkers have more to hide though and they tend to let the vocal players lead the day, so I tend to lean on them being suspects more often. Talking less = less chances to get called out. I'm not really sure on my success rate with that logic though.

If Johnny's explaining himself correctly though, I'd say that's a pretty solid reason to vote Melody. It's certainly better than what was shown before (and NK is hopefully proven inno after tonight as well). Abby just hasn't rung a bell for me yet, so...

[##TAG] Melody

EDIT: He didn't explain himself correctly, but I'm going to leave my vote. I think there's more doubt cast on Melody at this point than NK or Abby for sure.

 

[Superjolt]

I'm just wary of voting them based SOLELY on their play styles alone (the main Melody charge seemed to be her posting behavior, but that's super common for her). I feel that lurkers have more to hide though and they tend to let the vocal players lead the day, so I tend to lean on them being suspects more often. Talking less = less chances to get called out. I'm not really sure on my success rate with that logic though.

If Johnny's explaining himself correctly though, I'd say that's a pretty solid reason to vote Melody. It's certainly better than what was shown before (and NK is hopefully proven inno after tonight as well). Abby just hasn't rung a bell for me yet, so...

[##TAG] Melody

EDIT: He didn't explain himself correctly, but I'm going to leave my vote. I think there's more doubt cast on Melody at this point than NK or Abby for sure.

I'm not suspicious of Melody for her posting behavior (just to be clear on that!) I'm suspicious of specific things she's said/done(which I guess you can say things she has said just stem from post behavior, but that really seems more like an excuse than anything because then it can be an excuse that can be attributed to literally anything she says or does)

EDIT: Still have a couple players I want to sort before this day ends, there's still more than 24 hours left in this day

 

[Melody]

I'm just wary of voting them based SOLELY on their play styles alone (the main Melody charge seemed to be her posting behavior, but that's super common for her). I feel that lurkers have more to hide though and they tend to let the vocal players lead the day, so I tend to lean on them being suspects more often. Talking less = less chances to get called out. I'm not really sure on my success rate with that logic though.

If Johnny's explaining himself correctly though, I'd say that's a pretty solid reason to vote Melody. It's certainly better than what was shown before (and NK is hopefully proven inno after tonight as well). Abby just hasn't rung a bell for me yet, so...

[##TAG] Melody

EDIT: He didn't explain himself correctly, but I'm going to leave my vote. I think there's more doubt cast on Melody at this point than NK or Abby for sure.

My posting style is a bit strange at times. I can assure you of a wasted lynch though; and think still that Superjolt deserved my fos because he believed Johnny without really thinking. That really made me suspect his intentions. Why would suddenly he pipe up and support Johnny After I had fully debunked Johny's theory unless he was on the other side? I think it's kind of dumb to penalize me for being me you are right in that. Furthermore I must point out the reaction that Superjolt has at being FOSed; it was...rather extreme which only cinched my concerns tighter. I didn't change my vote to Superjolt; it's always been locked on NightKrow since I cast it and I stick by that vote.

I find it amusing that Johnny AND Superjolt seem intent on spinning my every theory into an OMGUS shitshow; when it's really not. I haven't been idle at mafia since I left the UG in febuary; I spent lots of time on Epic Mafia. (I know; different play styles, but way faster games and the basics are the same) I certainly didn't get rusty, instead I made fools out of many competitive players. :3

Klips; I figured you'd see their tunneling for the scumming that it is. You seem to. I hope you have a good plan; because i'm sure you'll be cursing your luck when I die and flip tem.

 

[Melody]

How did you exactly debunked my theory lol?

Let's review how you "debunked" my theory:

I said that you hopped onto the gunnerwagon, but made emphasis on that you believed she was telling the truth, which on my eyes is just an attempt to appear innocent. You are mafia, therefore you know Gunner will flip as innocent, giving you future references to prove your "innocence" on the future.
You were extremely aware of the future when you made that post and here's proof of that:

This is you:


Let it be known you say. You hop on the bandwagon, but not without first stating how you were against it.

Yet here you agree that it was unlikely that she'd know she was the suspicious tem:


And here's exactly how you claim to have "debunked" this theory:



You're actually agreeing with me here O.o

I said that all of these were attempts to appear innocent for when Gunner flips inno without antagonizing the town and drawing much attention.

TL;DR: You sheeped along but made it clear that you didn't liked the decision to lynch Gunner and second guessed Gunner's credibility at the same time, which is fairly controversial and I read this as blending in without going AWOL.

And Klippy told everyone that I was doing my normal thing. You conveniently clip my entire post up to make your point; taking everything out of context to support your theory.

EDIT: He didn't explain himself correctly, but I'm going to leave my vote. I think there's more doubt cast on Melody at this point than NK or Abby for sure.

Klippy did point out in a later edit that he's sure you didn't explain yourself correctly either; so your entire argument falls down the pipe with Superjolt's blind sheeping of you.

I merely pointed out the inconsistency in Gunner's claims. Part of the reason I stuck the vote the way I did was because of that reason. I don't let my feelings dictate my actions in game usually; even if I do express them openly and freely. Klippy at least sees that. What I say and do don't always match. Especially in a mafia game where taking the right logical choice is often more important than your own feelings.

Don't tell me you've forgotten that little detail there Johnny. Always play as best as you know how to your win condition. No matter how salty that makes you; you gotta finish all that without water sometimes and just do it; especially when you're sure that if you let your fellow town flap around like idiots they'll do something that much stupider. If you think that makes me look scummy; then that's your own blindness.

You're absolutely overthinking everything I'm doing. That's sadly a mistake that will likely cost the town the game. Your flaw is that you press things into oblivion, often taking yourself with them.

 

[Melody]

...and of course he's still missing the point.

EDIT: If you silly tems insist on killing me this phase; do me a favor and kill Johnny next phase when I flip innocent. You're not gonna win anything with this bulldog tearing around attacking everything that moves suddenly.

 

[Melody]

...and he still isn't getting it.

Ladies and gentlefolk; I believe we're establishing a record.

You're absolutely overthinking everything I'm doing. That's sadly a mistake that will likely cost the town the game. Your flaw is that you press things into oblivion, often taking yourself with them.

 

[NightKrow]

I can dance for you guys but I think it's random unfortunately :/