that guy [TCTI v 8]

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If only the common Portuguese person had the balls to get their votes away from the same two-three old parties, instead of abstaining from voting altogether then complain about everything. Get your ass off your couch then, and go vote even if it's blank instead of drinking beer and watching Benfica games.

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We truly are the definition of "keeping the status quo".
 
Katalyst said:
If only the common Portuguese person had the balls to get their votes away from the same two-three old parties, instead of abstaining from voting altogether then complain about everything. Get your ass off your couch then, and go vote even if it's blank instead of drinking beer and watching Benfica games.

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We truly are the definition of "keeping the status quo".
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Funnily enough, this week there is an article in The Economist describing that almost verbatim.

I don't understand how you, who are doing worse than us in many ways, aren't doing the same political revolts :(
 
Katalyst said:
If only the common Portuguese person had the balls to get their votes away from the same two-three old parties, instead of abstaining from voting altogether then complain about everything. Get your ass off your couch then, and go vote even if it's blank instead of drinking beer and watching Benfica games.

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We truly are the definition of "keeping the status quo".
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So like 'Merica. And Sweden. Though I guess your situation might be a tad worse.
 
Ivysaur said:
Funnily enough, this week there is an article in The Economist describing that almost verbatim.

I don't understand how you, who are doing worse than us in many ways, aren't doing the same political revolts :(
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Like I said, the common Portuguese likes to complain, but when it comes to actually doing stuff they'd rather sit on their couches with a beer in their hand and watching football.

I don't care who wins the next elections as long as it's not one of the same old three parties (or anything that is right-wing). I'd rather have the Commies ruling this country over any of those three (if not only to try something potentially different for a change), even if their secretary-general is one who inspires no trust from me. I seriously think they'd benefit from having a younger leader who understands the recent times and minds better.

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So like 'Merica. And Sweden. Though I guess your situation might be a tad worse.
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I don't know anything about the Swedelands, but the US have that little problem of their politics being pretty much divided into two sides, which are those big parties everyone knows of (which are both right-wing! And yet there's so much rivalry and animosity sometimes...) that swallow every other views other than those two. And there are people who seem to see it as "either you're a righteous servant of God or a crazy scum Commie that should go back to the Soviet Union or be eradicated from the face of the Earth".
I think that their choice of support and possibilities of having politicians whose views they share is very limited. And I find it a problem in a country with over three hundred million people.

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In our case, although our parliamentary system is a bit more forgiving for smaller parties, all the mainstream parties have slowly melted into a sort of moderate, super-politically correct swamp of alike-thinking yet somehow rivalry. Anything outside of this bubble becomes heavily looked down upon as either communist or fascist.

Thing is, people's dislike of this situation has allowed for a right-wing nationalist party to make itself the third largest party in the country. Mainstream media and huge groups of people loudly antagonize this party as fascist supernazis and refuse to have anything to do with it, which spurs the people annoyed with the political complacency even more to vote for them.

The situation right now is really iffy, as we've now voted in a rather weak and inexperienced (moderate) left-wing minority government, struggling against a broken-in-shambles, almost equally sized (moderate) right-wing opposition, with the (hugely incompetent) nationalist newcomer occupying a pivotal position and thus in effect having a huge impact in all parliamentary decisions.


People are evidently finding it quite hard to make intelligent voting decisions, which isn't helped by the blank or ironic(!) votes made just to spite.
 
Here we have an increasingly angry and patronizing conservative party (PP), who feels free to insult anybody who disagrees with them, is trying to argue that everybody else but them is unelectable and who nominated a downright cretin as their spokesperson a few months ago; a centre-left party (socialists) that collapsed in 2010 after the EC/IMF cuts and is trying to mend itself under a new, younger and more populist management elected last year; the young commies of Podemos, who are rounding up all the voters who thought the socialists aren't left-wing at all and the older commies felt like from the Jurassic age (including many, many older people); and the new young centre-right of Ciudadanos who is essentially siphooning out every under-45 supporter from PP, who are in turn becoming "the angry grandpa party". PP are still the most voted party but 20% of the votes they lost in this last elections were marked as "deaths", which clearly doesn't sound very well when you have three large enough parties full of young people.

At this point, it seems there is a three-way tie between PP, PSOE and Podemos, with PP slightly ahead, but chances are PSOE and Podemos would make an anti-PP coalition without thinking twice. Now the question is whether Podemos will get to amalgamate every left-of-PSOE party to make a "all left together" list for the general elections. In the cities where they tried that in the local elections (Madrid, Barcelona, Zaragoza, Valencia, half of Galicia) they beat PSOE handily and even PP in some of them for an outright victory. A merge would mean no left-wing votes would be wasted, and PP would hardly resist that. They are, of course, claiming that the Soviets are taking over and that PSOE are now just some crazy unelectable radicals like everybody else but them and (maybe) Ciudadanos sometimes. We'll see how many people bother to listen to them anymore.

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I dunno, when you introduce politics you run the risk of scaring people away because, 9 times out of 10, they're either not relevant to the people who see them or filled with walls of text and/or political jargon that makes them difficult to get into.

Because, see, when we're talking nonsense or about games, anime, yada yada, if you follow from the beginning you can have some semblance of an understanding of what's going on, but when you go political, you're faced with obstacles that require actual research and may just not be worth it.
 
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That's actually quite funny that you mention that, Poki, because I was just coming in here to say that there's nothing that people will insult you for or look down on you for like Politics.

You don't vote? Fuck you. You don't follow the news? Go suck a big one. You don't want to no more about the Red Bean debacle between Japan and Unganda's left toenail? Why are you even on this planet?

It's like you're not allowed to not have an opinion and it's absolutely disgusting. Forcing someone to give about something they don't infringes on the variety that makes the world so beautiful. Let people do what they want.
 
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