that guy [TCTI v 8]

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Well, see, that's the thing right? Don't vote, don't complain, but what usually happens is that the people who vote generally end up complaining the most. That makes sense, of course, because the other side of "Don't vote, don't complain" would be "vote, complain".

The kicker, though, is that these people are always, always, ALWAYS complaining about the people they voted for. That seems pretty hypocritical. You should have known the consequences of putting this person in the position the're in, so really, you have about as much right to complain about them as those who don't vote.
 
If you don't vote, you don't get to complain because not voting means "I'm fine with whatever people who do vote say". If you don't want anybody, at least vote blank or to a random 6th party, those exist and, who knows, maybe one day the turn out to get enough unhappy people to vote for them and you'll end up with a commie mayor in Madrid after 24 years of conservative majorities.

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Eh...I dunno. If someone goes against what they said, that means that A. there's an been an error in judgment on your part, and B. You still played a part in making this happen. Taking B further, you played a decisive part in making it happen because, as they say, "every vote counts". Regardless of the circumstance, it falls on you, and unless you plan to do something about what has occurred, complaining isn't really an option. Similarly, looking away and ignoring it now would be irresponsible.

Simply put, I don't care if you vote or not, but if you don't take action of the subsequent consequences then you're no different than someone who just doesn't care at all- worse, even, if you were part of the cause. In such a case, it's not a matter of complaining or not, it's practically your duty to right what you've wronged.
 
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Right, let's not vote for the fucker next time. But what else is there to do, aside from perhaps enlightening others on this heinous ideological turnaround? It is the responsibility of a politician not to straight up lie about their intentions, if it was purely their doing. There's not much a voter can do in advance, aside from trying to check whether a politician's solutions seem feasible or not, or do research on the person themselves.

Of course, this is all focusing primarily on a system like that in the US, where individuals matter in such a big way.

Now, consider a situation where your party came to power and seem to have good intentions and ideas, but have their efforts shut down on a parliamentary level. I'd complain the crap out of that. Honestly, the way this can be abused by an opposition (especially somewhere like the US where, if I understand it correctly, the government and the composition of the senate are decided separately for some reason) I see as one of the largest issues with democracy as a system.
...That and how easily affected people are by pathological propaganda and media outrages.



But don't look at me, I voted for Kodos.
 
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Well we vote for these people to make the town/city/state/country a better place, yeah? There are a lot of ways that an individual could do that.

I don't vote, but...well, the reasons I don't vote aren't really justifiable and I don't try to justify them. You won't see me complaining because I don't particularly care for individuals that complain and complain and don't do something about it. Complaining helps no one, it's only when you take action that you can say you've done something. But the reason I don't vote goes hand in hand with the type of person I am. Put simply, I like change, and I think change is great, though not always warranted (and I really have to stress that last part). Essentially, I'm not particularly interested in politics so I don't engage in them, but the way I see it, at least as far as US presidency and senatorial manner is concerned, there's no possible way that we'll get a dictator as president, the people wouldn't let that happen. It's almost impossible. If it did happen, they'd be impeached.

As such, there's no real reason for me to vote because I'll be content with the outcome, regardless. And if they do something that rubs me the wrong way, I'll take up metaphorical arms and fight back. When one's truly motivated, they can do just about anything, and what one "can" do to fight back isn't really so clear until you actually strive to do so. But the goal, more or less, would to get them to listen. It would be to show them that there's definitely a problem, and we want change. If we're loud enough, they have to listen. Ideally.

And I'm not trying to make a case for everyone who doesn't vote, nor am I trying to make a case for myself. If people look down on my for my views, that's fine, but I've been told all my life that men and women fought and died for my right to vote. On that same level, men and women fought and died so that I would have the right, the choice, to vote without prejudice and ridicule, and this idea of spitting on those who have their own reasons for not doing something is truly against everything America stands for. It completely stomps on the notions of "freedom" and "diversity".
 
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That's fair. Coming from a country that certainly did not rise from the same struggles for rights and freedom that the States did, my perspective on things becomes quite different. And with our parliamentary system, voting just to keep out extremists is a thing in of itself.

...Bit funny considering how the American Republican party in many cases is trated both by people and news outlets here as a tad extremist and scary. Oh, perspective. Certainly doesn't matter though since American politics, as much coverage as it gets by news and imported media alike, is none of our business. Putting aside climate questions.
 
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Personally, I don't think not voting is that big a deal (even if you subsequently complain about stuff and things). I don't think our lives revolve around politics and who's in government.
 
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pls don't it's bad country
 
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