The "clan" Organization thread V.4

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Alright, Salamence! For that, just go to the New Clan at the PE2K Forums. We'll be thereto start things off!
 
Well I went my seperate ways, but if this is on track I'd definitely come back. You guys, Celestial was leaving regardless of NoS. So i brought her back. Guess this was my fault in a way.
 
i TOWA, in charge of the currently fastest growing clan on PC, am prepared to help the clan get back on its track, the cost? form an alliance with us, this is so clans help each other out, and in the instance that a super clan war happens, we have our allies, beachboy if you are interested pm or message me :]
 
I just want everybody to make up their minds already. >.<

First we have NoS coming "back" to reclaim ownership, then she vanishes and everybody starts breaking apart into their own clans. Then it turns out a few of them were unapproved, so we have even more clans showing up. Now, the original Clan might be revived, but BeachBoy has yet to post up the v5 thread and World King's "New Clan" is flourishing in the meantime.

So, are we reforming the original Clan or are we all breaking into new, different clans? Which is it??
 
Ichaste Pekoni said:
I just want everybody to make up their minds already. >.<

First we have NoS coming "back" to reclaim ownership, then she vanishes and everybody starts breaking apart into their own clans. Then it turns out a few of them were unapproved, so we have even more clans showing up. Now, the original Clan might be revived, but BeachBoy has yet to post up the v5 thread and World King's "New Clan" is flourishing in the meantime.

So, are we reforming the original Clan or are we all breaking into new, different clans? Which is it??
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We need wireless battle stadium to cut back on clans first off. I have the thread ready and everything, it's just getting accepted due to the sheer amount of clans that's the problem. =/

i TOWA, in charge of the currently fastest growing clan on PC, am prepared to help the clan get back on its track, the cost? form an alliance with us, this is so clans help each other out, and in the instance that a super clan war happens, we have our allies, beachboy if you are interested pm or message me :]
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I'll probably reject, I'm not really an alliance kinda guy after all. *shrug*
 
I'm wondering how long his "New Clan" will last.

Regardless, I'd love to rejoin if Beach Boy was made leader. But I just can't join this new clan. As said before in the old clan, he's still a new member, and isn't heard of much at all. NoS asked me to step up in her absence, (without me having to ask, unlike the former) and I tried, but college life eats up my time. So I left it to sharinganflames, but he left. So, we are in current dissarry at this situation.
 
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I'm wondering how long his "New Clan" will last.

Regardless, I'd love to rejoin if Beach Boy was made leader. But I just can't join this new clan. As said before in the old clan, he's still a new member, and isn't heard of much at all. NoS asked me to step up in her absence, (without me having to ask, unlike the former) and I tried, but college life eats up my time. So I left it to sharinganflames, but he left. So, we are in current dissarry at this situation.
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Just to note, "The New Clan" is not version 5. Wk said in a PM it would be closed when version 5 popped up.

As for things here, it's just having trouble getting accepted. =/ All these other clans that really should have never started. >>; Meh...
 
Exactly. There were originally two clans at the start-Thce "Clan", & Ist-Ita-, I can't pronounce it. Still, many immitators came. Some stuck for a while, without being a complete ripoff, like Legion of Supremacy.

On another note, and this has been bugging me for a while, all the people glamoring over Celsial okami. I'd like to say something on that.

So to all those people wanting him to "reclaim the throne", he was never the original leader of the clan! He was NoS's friend, and stepped it to help out, becoming a temp leader. He has stated this numerous times, and constantly tried to make that clear. He had every intention of handing control back to NoS when she returned. I'm not saying he wasn't a good leader, that he was, but he was not this clan's leader. Thusfore, everyone needs to stop baaaawing for his return. As greast of a leader he was, he isn't comming back, and if he does, it's with NoS's consent, He won't rise up to "take back control", as control was never originally his. The original members only recognizes one leader-Nightofshadow. Ask Murderface, he was here before me. I practically went inactive when Ooka & Loto became leaders. Frankly, I never heard of Loto until recently, and as for Ooka, he wasz still relatively new to the clan. Not that they would be bad leaders, mind you, I'm part of Ooka's clan, although I forgot the name :P. Still, he was new to the clan, and CELES made him leader, not NoS. She is the one true leader, although there were many great temps.

That said, I'd love to see how Beach Boy will do, he has my full support, although if NoS ever came back, she;ll regain control.
 
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Exactly. There were originally two clans at the start-Thce "Clan", & Ist-Ita-, I can't pronounce it. Still, many immitators came. Some stuck for a while, without being a complete ripoff, like Legion of Supremacy.

On another note, and this has been bugging me for a while, all the people glamoring over Celsial okami. I'd like to say something on that.

So to all those people wanting him to "reclaim the throne", he was never the original leader of the clan! He was NoS's friend, and stepped it to help out, becoming a temp leader. He has stated this numerous times, and constantly tried to make that clear. He had every intention of handing control back to NoS when she returned. I'm not saying he wasn't a good leader, that he was, but he was not this clan's leader. Thusfore, everyone needs to stop baaaawing for his return. As greast of a leader he was, he isn't comming back, and if he does, it's with NoS's consent, He won't rise up to "take back control", as control was never originally his. The original members only recognizes one leader-Nightofshadow. Ask Murderface, he was here before me. I practically went inactive when Ooka & Loto became leaders. Frankly, I never heard of Loto until recently, and as for Ooka, he wasz still relatively new to the clan. Not that they would be bad leaders, mind you, I'm part of Ooka's clan, although I forgot the name :P. Still, he was new to the clan, and CELES made him leader, not NoS. She is the one true leader, although there were many great temps.

That said, I'd love to see how Beach Boy will do, he has my full support, although if NoS ever came back, she;ll regain control.
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I agree, if she returns, I won't hesitate to give her complete power. I'd love to see her back as the leader. :D

Now Nintai (sp?) popped back up. >_> Gah.... You know, looking at the front page, clans may be stopped altogether with all this depreciation. This is getting out of control now. :/


So yeah, sorry to all for the delay... It's due to all this clan onslaught.
 
sims796 said:
Exactly. There were originally two clans at the start-Thce "Clan", & Ist-Ita-, I can't pronounce it. Still, many immitators came. Some stuck for a while, without being a complete ripoff, like Legion of Supremacy.

On another note, and this has been bugging me for a while, all the people glamoring over Celsial okami. I'd like to say something on that.

So to all those people wanting him to "reclaim the throne", he was never the original leader of the clan! He was NoS's friend, and stepped it to help out, becoming a temp leader. He has stated this numerous times, and constantly tried to make that clear. He had every intention of handing control back to NoS when she returned. I'm not saying he wasn't a good leader, that he was, but he was not this clan's leader. Thusfore, everyone needs to stop baaaawing for his return. As greast of a leader he was, he isn't comming back, and if he does, it's with NoS's consent, He won't rise up to "take back control", as control was never originally his. The original members only recognizes one leader-Nightofshadow. Ask Murderface, he was here before me. I practically went inactive when Ooka & Loto became leaders. Frankly, I never heard of Loto until recently, and as for Ooka, he wasz still relatively new to the clan. Not that they would be bad leaders, mind you, I'm part of Ooka's clan, although I forgot the name :P. Still, he was new to the clan, and CELES made him leader, not NoS. She is the one true leader, although there were many great temps.

That said, I'd love to see how Beach Boy will do, he has my full support, although if NoS ever came back, she;ll regain control.
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I slightly disagree on this one sims. Nos may be the original leader, but from what I've seen she's somewhat of a flake. I don't think we should just hand it back over to her on a silver platter. She seems to return for a week and then disappear again, which has just caused further problems for the clan. If she truely cared about the clan and wanted to be its leader she would have remained active. It's obvious to me by her actions that she dpesn't really care about the clan. If she did care we wouldn't be in this situation to begin with! Okaim may have only been a temp leader but from what Ive seen he cares much more for the clan than NoS did. You say that the original members of the clan will only recognize one person as their leader, NoS. the same can be said for the vast majority of the clan who had joined under the reign of Okami. NoS has yet to prove her dedication and leadership to me. Okami and several others; Ooka, Loto, Sabaku no Gaara, Tortured_Soul, even you sims; have proven time and again to me that they truely cared about what happens to this clan. All of them have made great contributions to this clan and made it what it is today. NoS started the clan, but we are what made the clan glorious in her absence.

Just thought I'd put my two cents in on the matter, for we need more than one perspective.
 
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...I was going to post on the subject earlier, but I suddenly had to leave. Now I come back to find...

Xairmo said:
I slightly disagree on this one sims. Nos may be the original leader, but from what I've seen she's somewhat of a flake. I don't think we should just hand it back over to her on a silver platter. She seems to return for a week and then disappear again, which has just caused further problems for the clan. If she truely cared about the clan and wanted to be its leader she would have remained active.
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...that Xairmo has taken the words right out of my mouth.

I also doubt that just giving control instantly to Nightofshadow whenever she shows up is a good idea. After all, look at the recent situation: she came back and reassumed control, then became drastically less active and, as a result, the Clan broke apart. Maybe there could be a co-leader slot reserved for her, but giving somebody who has already "ditched" the Clan once full leadership on sight? I have to vote against that.
 
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i hope RRC is not one of the clans you guys are against, i created that clan by combining 2 clans, therefore compacting the amount we have :P
 
I understand where you are comming from, comepletely. I really do, and it is a very solid point.

However, no matter how we look at it, as long as we use this name, it is her clan. That must be respected, as if it wasn't for her, there would be no clan. If we felt like this, we could have made our own clan, comepletley witha chosen name. Even BeachBoy as the leader is slightly disrespectful. Slightly. Hell, if she came in and told people to stop using "The Clan", we would have to respect that. If anything, a spot mentioning her as founder of the clan is in order.
 
Xairmo said:
I slightly disagree on this one sims. Nos may be the original leader, but from what I've seen she's somewhat of a flake. I don't think we should just hand it back over to her on a silver platter. She seems to return for a week and then disappear again, which has just caused further problems for the clan. If she truely cared about the clan and wanted to be its leader she would have remained active. It's obvious to me by her actions that she dpesn't really care about the clan. If she did care we wouldn't be in this situation to begin with! Okaim may have only been a temp leader but from what Ive seen he cares much more for the clan than NoS did. You say that the original members of the clan will only recognize one person as their leader, NoS. the same can be said for the vast majority of the clan who had joined under the reign of Okami. NoS has yet to prove her dedication and leadership to me. Okami and several others; Ooka, Loto, Sabaku no Gaara, Tortured_Soul, even you sims; have proven time and again to me that they truely cared about what happens to this clan. All of them have made great contributions to this clan and made it what it is today. NoS started the clan, but we are what made the clan glorious in her absence.

Just thought I'd put my two cents in on the matter, for we need more than one perspective.
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Ichaste Pekoni said:
...that Xairmo has taken the words right out of my mouth.

I also doubt that just giving control instantly to Nightofshadow whenever she shows up is a good idea. After all, look at the recent situation: she came back and reassumed control, then became drastically less active and, as a result, the Clan broke apart. Maybe there could be a co-leader slot reserved for her, but giving somebody who has already "ditched" the Clan once full leadership on sight? I have to vote against that.
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I understand where you are comming from, comepletely. I really do, and it is a very solid point.

However, no matter how we look at it, as long as we use this name, it is her clan. That must be respected, as if it wasn't for her, there would be no clan. If we felt like this, we could have made our own clan, comepletley witha chosen name. Even BeachBoy as the leader is slightly disrespectful. Slightly. Hell, if she came in and told people to stop using "The Clan", we would have to respect that. If anything, a spot mentioning her as founder of the clan is in order.
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Here's my thought process, you all can agree or disagree, you all have been here at the Clan before me... thus have a greater influence on my judgment. You all make valid points...

A spot where she is detailed as the founder is actually being added first off.


I joined this Clan after all that has happened. Okami leaves, and I barely even fit in, let alone give much opinion, feeling shunned out as a member to be completely honest.

From my past experiences, I always look at it in the eyes of the founder. What is Nos thinking? Okay, some newb in my clan is taking over. Even though I've clearly established myself as one of PC's best berserkers. In her eyes probably; I'm new to the clan, I'm a newbie. I wish to do whatever she wishes, why? How does it feel you are the founder of something incredible to have it ripped from you?

And if she returns, she might be very active, we just don't know. I think I'm disrespectful as sims said just by taking her spot. I think it would be just to make her Head Leader if she returns to complete activity. We don't know her thought process. ;/

I'm not really sure on this situation. I really wish I could hear her opinion.
 
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...If it had actually been a case of somebody taking leadership from her while she is still around to assume her position, I would probably agree with you. However, that's just it: Nightofshadow has not been ripped of her position, rather she has been too inactive to properly act upon it. Because of this, the Clan has been without a set leader and members have left in the ensuing chaos.

In my opinion, a person who assumes command only to be a leader, without showing the commitment or attention required to be a leader, should not be a leader at all.

sims796 said:
If we felt like this, we could have made our own clan, comepletley witha chosen name.
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I believe that's exactly what Mike Ukiuki and Sabaku no Gaara attempted. However, as BeachBoy has pointed out, it created an "onslaught" of new groups showing up.

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If anything, a spot mentioning her as founder of the clan is in order.
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As I said, giving her an automatic "co-leader" spot would work. I just do not see how handing full control back over to her at the tip of a hat is beneficial to anyone.
 
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Ichaste Pekoni said:
And if it wasn't for her disappearing, the Clan would likely still be together.



I believe that's exactly what Mike Ukiuki and Sabaku no Gaara attempted. However, as BeachBoy has pointed out, it created an "onslaught" of new groups showing up.



And NoS' vanishing right after reclaiming control of the Clan was not disrespectful to its members?



As I said, giving her an automatic "co-leader" spot would work. I just do not see how handing full control back over to her at the tip of a hat is beneficial to anyone.
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How about this... Co-head leader, and if she regains full activity, give full power back?
 
Ichaste Pekoni said:
And if it wasn't for her disappearing, the Clan would likely still be together.
Then it should be closed, then. We haven't the right to say "you made it, but your not good enough, shove off.


I believe that's exactly what Mike Ukiuki and Sabaku no Gaara attempted. However, as BeachBoy has pointed out, it created an "onslaught" of new groups showing up.
That's because those new groups didn't have what it takes to last. Gaara made a pretty good group, & Legion of Supremacy stayed for quite a while. And besides, this isn't the first clan ever made. Just the longest lasting. Don't use the failed clans, as most of those starters weren't even in this group. Those groups weren't made exactly as the clan was. It drew together great battlers, who helped make this clan what it was. We kept it alive, yes. But she made it to begin with, gave us it's ideals.

I'm getting too melodramatic over nonsense, excuse me.


And NoS' vanishing right after reclaiming control of the Clan was not disrespectful to its members?
First, do you know her situation? Well, that's irrelevant, as of now. If that was the case, if that is how you felt, you should have left, as others have. Even if she has proven she isn't up to leading, this is HER clan, no matter how we spin it, no matter if she isn't most active. Is that right? Maybe not. Most likely not. But still hers.


As I said, giving her an automatic "co-leader" spot would work. I just do not see how handing full control back over to her at the tip of a hat is beneficial to anyone. I really see where you are coming from, but we are, quite literally, bound, because she owns this clan, it's name, etc.
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Regardless, this is her clan. As I said, if she decided to close it, she has full right to. Maybe it is disrespectful to the members, but it is still her clan. she has always said "if you don't like it, leave, you have my blessings" on various things. Not on this, mind you, but still. In fact, she made a testamant not to change the name. If we ever did that, it would no longer be this clan that we originally joined.

So, we could make a new clan, just like the old, and basically do everything we were going to do as if nothing happend, and merely change the name, or we can continue on with this one, just like the old, merely keeping the name, as if nothing happend--but NoS must have recognition of being the founder. Give credit where credit is due. We can't up & usurp--we can just make a new clan, mirroring this one, in a unified attempt, not just braisenly putting oneself at leadership position, and dare to use the front page without even membership acceptance (staring at a certain "New" clan...).

EDIT:Oh, I see you've edited. RIGHT AFTER THUS LONG WINDED SPEECH! DANG YOU ALL TO HECK!

Still, she is founder. And we could ban together, and create a clan with THIS clan's ideals. As I said earlier, and won't repeat. Even then, she deserves some recognition.
 
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if that is how you felt, you should have left, as others have.
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In case you didn't notice, I did leave. For about two months. Obviously, I was right: my "part" in the Clan is so infinitesimal that nobody would really notice if I stayed or left. Therefore, whether I choose to leave at this point or not is rather irrelevant as far as the group is concerned, because it certainly did not matter then.
 
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