The new formes of Platinum- A competetive discussion

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Wow, i can already see where this is going, is it really THAT hard to hold a discussion in S+M without the crap that automatically comes with it ?.


EDIT : - Back on topic, Heracross @Ice Punch + Zen headbutt would be nasty, as said previously.
 
Dark_Azelf said:
Wow, i can already see where this is going, is it really THAT hard to hold a discussion in S+M without the crap that automatically comes with it ?.
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Don't use bad words; it's unbecoming of a lady =/

I just noticed Lucario got Ice Punch. Looks like Weezing'll be the ONLY 'safe' switch in now.
 
Well, like what? Only real advantage that Mence has is speed. Nite could go special, with Super Power, it has Heal Bell, for whatever reason, etc...

It's kinda early to say that Nite will go onto the abyss. There will always be Dragonite fans (I'm not one of them) who will stick to Nite. Of course, this will result in people finding new ways of using him. I hardly see Nite as it is, anyway. I just think that we will exploit his various options more, than just relying on DDOutrage Nite.

EDIT: Do I really gotta repost that large Lucario & Ice Punch post again?!
 
Well, like what? Only real advantage that Mence has is speed. Nite could go special, with Super Power, it has Heal Bell, for whatever reason, etc...
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Mence has higher speed, Intimidate, more SpA, and honestly, a better sprite than Nite =/
 
Vance said:
Don't use bad words; it's unbecoming of a lady =/
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No ?.


Meh, i dont think the metagame will change that much tbh, it'll just be what it is like currently where you're revenge killing everything pretty much.

And in a kinda positive it discourages god awful stall =).
 
Btw, looks like Scizor has proven why it should be in OU now. 90 power priority which hits much stuff for neutral + 130 base Atk + SD = OU CutMan.
 
Sky shaymin is broken so badly. T_T

And technically, it does have para support, from the very sucky move secret power. So it can para flinch. But I will probably not see it.
 
Crazed_One said:
Did anyone notice that Platinum gave Gyarados Outrage! w00t!
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Wow thats awesome. Shaymin Sky Forme is going to be the best ever. i dont care. Serene Grace+Air Slash= Flinch.
 
On Lucario with Ice Punch

As for Lucario using the Punches:

sims796 said:
Not at all!

Lucario cannot do much damage to Cressila without Crunch. He only has room for FOUR MOVES. Let's look at them...

Close Combat is his main STAB. That stays.

Swords Dance is needed as well.

Without Extremespeed, Lucario gets revenge killed easily.

That leaves one more move availible.

Crunch is almost necessary.Without it, he gets walled by pokes like Cressila, Dusknoir, and other bulky Psychics. But he is stopped by Bulky dargons & Gya.

Stone Edge helps take on Gyarados, or even Mence. But it STILL leaves him walled by Cressy, etc.


No matter what you use, Gliscor stops them all. But...

Ice Punch beats Gliscor. You are now walled by Gya, Cressy, Noir, etc.

Thunder Punch helps to REALLY beat Gya. Great for teams that is really weak to Gya, but useless elswhere.

No matter what, ygou are still stopped by Weezing & Spiritomb.



So how is it so dangerous? The only problem is that Lucario is a dangerous switch in, as you don't know what it has, but it is in no way uncounterable.
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Now, on Mence...

It may have a little more special attack, but it still has an inferior movepool. Plus, Nite could use Specs much better now. It can go Special, and use Super Power for any Blissey switch-ins, while Mencw must rely on that Piss poor Brick Break.

All it really has is more speed & Intimidate. That isn't enough to put it so far ahead of Nite. Granted, it was already used more than Nite as it is, but I see that it Mence with Outrage will result in alternative uses for Nite.
 
Dark_Azelf said:
No ?.


Meh, i dont think the metagame will change that much tbh, it'll just be what it is like currently where you're revenge killing everything pretty much.

And in a kinda positive it discourages god awful stall =).
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Using bad words is a bad thing to do as a role-model honestly.

DarkTyphlosion157 said:
Btw, looks like Scizor has proven why it should be in OU now. 90 power priority which hits much stuff for neutral + 130 base Atk + SD = OU CutMan.
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Thank god, that thing was ass all 3 gens.

SethCullen said:
This game easily pwns DP. end of poast.
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Um, that wasn't helpful to the discussion whatsoever.

On Topic: Considering Chomp is OU (and that these new forms are all uber) Who will be the most threatening force? I'm thinking Salamence has an opprotunity to even outshine Garchomp.
 
What bad word? Crap? That's allowed here.

I think Dossucks with Outrage, TBH. Waterfall has the same base power as Outrage (after STAB), but Mence AND Nite does it better.
 
That might change. This is a whole new ball game. Don't you pay attention? PLUME HAS SEED BOMB. MOAR UBAR THEN EVAR!!!!
 
Vance said:
Using bad words is a bad thing to do as a role-model honestly.
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Vance said:
Thank god, that thing was ass all 3 gens.
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lol

Anyways, after looking at the stats for rotom's new forms, there is a new boosts in all stats except for hp and speed. (the latter has dropped)

This could mean that rotom's forms could see way more use!
 
By the way, that bad words thing was a joke >.> Shows how much you guys know me.

Anyway, if Sala DOES become the new Chomp, I better get my argument ready.
 
Exactly!

People keep comming at these changes as "OMG, now my metagaemz r ruined!", or "OMG, this will rulez!!!"

Try to have an open mind. Sure, maybe that will happen, but I would love to see these changes. I feel that it may encourage more creative & different sets. No, not those crappy "Fling Lopunny", or "Recycle SnorlaX", but a refreshing change of pace to this metagame.

EDIT:I was talking to boo with that "exactly" thing.


I know no one one this site, youplay pogeymanz.
 
Also about giratina, since it has better special attack than before, won't it actually work with charge beam? With that boost, Giratina will wreak havok.

Giratina Origin form:@ Leftovers
Modest
252 spatt, 252 hp, 6 spd
-Charge beam
-Shadow ball
-Rest/will o wisp
-Sleep talk/Dragon pulse

I can sort of see this working. With charge beam's boosts and stab shadow ball, which can hurt psychics that are commonly found in ubers, this could be a set. If you want to hit blissey, than go dragon pulse and Wow for some duribility.
 
sims796 said:
He has fighting now. As a pure Outrage user, of corse Mence beats him. But not only does he get Super Power, beating almost all usual switch-ins, he has a better special movepool and a wider range of roles. for Outraging purposes, go to Mence. But that is not all Nite offers.

Um, yeah, anything that's worthwhile to the discussion, other than a mior spelling error?



I thought Psycho Cut was better than Zen Headbutt?
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Nope. Zen Headbutt's 80 BP, while Psycho Cut's a Psychic version of Night Slash/Slash/whatever.
 
Oh, I get it.

Still, they are too slow to take advantage of the flinch rate, so they may appreciate the crit rate of Psycho Cut.
 
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