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The Problem With OC

I'm sorry but I really DON'T think this sort of thing is necessary at all. You all can just SCROLL and LIVE WITH IT. Because seriously, scrolling? What kind of argument is that?
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Didn't you have a problem with scrolling back when there was an advertisement link to donate to Japan? So don't go to that argument.

Hmm... I actually think a division like this would be helpful. Speaking as someone who doesn't much post in OC, I find that part of it is just that... everything is all over the place, like people have been saying. If it were a bit more organized, perhaps I could find something I would know about or like to post in more easily? And I can't speak for anyone else, but I believe there are others who feel the same. And if you had even ten more people with that mindset, you'd see an increase in activity overall, would you not? Maybe each section individually would look a bit dead sometimes, but as a whole they'd be booming.
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See? It's opinions like these that show the forum needs some kind of organization.
 
I quite like this idea. I'm not much of an OC poster (besides the DCC) myself, but I do think it would make the forums much cleaner and more organized. Plus, it might be more welcoming to other members who might not like to partake in the kinds of serious debates currently found in OC, if the main forum were for all the actual miscellaneous topics. I feel like some people might hesitate to post in OC since the forum's dominated by debates and such, and not everyone's into that. And like everyone has said before, it would be much easier for people to find what they want to discuss instead of wading through all sorts of really diverse topics.
 
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Pachy said:
I don't believe I have to think I'm anybody special to know how Live has acted in my eyes. Don't go taking up such a defensive posture because I'm running D.A. on this idea. If you have evidence to present to refute my statement, you may, or you can just as simply ignore it and continue assuming I don't know him that well. But that assumption should not invalidate any of my arguments on that front.

Personally I don't think prevention is key at this point at all. OC is not suffering. Live does a pretty good job.
Like I said in my initial post, if we do add any subforums, why not just lump all the debate topics into one big "Debate" subforum? Let the debating folks of OC worry about figuring out which thread is where. I personally don't want to have to browse through 3-4 different forums to cover the various topics I'm interested in...it's too much of a hassle for a small handful of threads. I could stomach ONE subforum more in OC to segregate more serious debate-style topics from the lighter-hearted ones though.

I never really said we should ban any topics in OC, so don't go putting words or arguments in my mouth either.


One of the first things you must learn when you really get to PC is that there really ARE a lot of sheep on PC. In fact it's the same flock of sheep that's complaining because we DARE have intelligent discussions in OC. It's the same flock that B&Ms about a little bit of scrolling and scanning of a very small two page index.


I'm sorry but I really DON'T think this sort of thing is necessary at all. You all can just SCROLL and LIVE WITH IT. Because seriously, scrolling? What kind of argument is that?
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It did not invalidate anything, I don't think anyone reading my post would have thought so. I'm just stating that it's incredibly pompous of you to speak as if you knew LiveWire so well and think you know exactly how he reacts to this thread. It's ironic that later on in your reply here you speak of me putting words into your mouth.

The reason why we would not lump everything into a Debate subforum is because it would be a failed attempt at categorizing threads in OC. Just about any thread in OC that isn't a news thread, is a topic up for debate. The goal here is to categorize the debates: Social issues will be debated in the Social Issues subforum; Politics and political standings will be debated in the Politics subforum; and Philosophy will be debated in the Philosophical Discussion subforum. And that's just it! You won't have to scroll through 3 to 4 forums! Because you'll know what you're interested in at the time. If you want to look up on any political issues that are going about PC, hey, they're all neatly packed together in a little subforum. If you're looking for some philosophical enlightenment from the wise members on PC, bam, there's a forum dedicated to it. Also, for this argument I could very well use what you used against me: You can just SCROLL and LIVE WITH IT.

I never said you said that.

Well Pachy, it's fine if they're sheep. Because even if they are, those of us who are not sheep will keep these forums alive. And the sheep will follow our lead. Foolproof.

I'm sorry but I DON'T think it has to be necessary to be considered. It seriously takes 3 clicks of a button for this to happen. It costs 0 dollars to do. I don't see what the huge issue is here, apart from people wanting to keep OC the way it is for the sake of keeping the status quo.
 
Pachy said:
You all can just SCROLL and LIVE WITH IT. Because seriously, scrolling? What kind of argument is that?
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Not really a very helpful thing to say. You can't just say that and expect people to suddenly post more because they've a newfound respect for scrolling.

The way I see it, the endgoal of each section of a forum is to be a flourishing, popularly-visited place where people enjoy themselves talking about one thing or another, with the thingoranother varying depending on the section. If you need to cater a little to the laziness of a certain flock of sheep to get more widespread enjoyment of a forum section, you should do that instead of telling the sheep that their behaviours are irrational, am I wrong?
What goal does doing what the people want accomplish? More popularity.
What goal does it accomplish to tell the people they shouldn't want what they want? None.

EDIT: Ninja'd in every way possible. D:
 
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Didn't you have a problem with scrolling back when there was an advertisement link to donate to Japan? So don't go to that argument.
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Syd, Ineffable.
I throw that argument in your faces now, because they threw it in mine back then. :3 (See quote)
It's a two way argument really.


Well played Penatrait. Well played.
 
Guys, is changing one or two things in one area of a forum something worth arguing over?

Not really. >__>

Anyhoooo, something I thought of is this question: If everything posted in OC can fit into one of the suggested sub-forums, then what's left for the general OC area outside of said sub-forums?

I was also going to say that there's a few threads for each sub-forum in there right now, so if any current threads are moved then each sub-forum would have two or three threads at least. I dunno if OC is quite active enough to be split up into so many areas, though I could be wrong. I need to spend more time in there. xD;

& If sub-forums are created, someone said their weren't enough LGBT threads created to warrant there own area, but also maybe if they were given their own area then people would be more likely to make them. Same could be said for topics of other sub-forums. I still don't think OC should be so split up, but I suppose it would look more tidy, and it might help the activity. Sorry if I sound like a broken record of anyone else's posts, just throwing my two cents out there.
 
I went a tad farther back than the one-month limit but my own estimation of where threads would be moved it would be something like:

Politics - 14
Social Issues - 38
Philosophy - 10
General - 12

The social issues ones were most of the news ones that I ran across though, some of them might belong in the general forum just as much.
 
I like this idea. It's something that should be given a try before people jump on it saying it's unneeded and won't help. There's no wait to know that until it's given a chance, so I don't see why ~*!*~some~*!*~ people are saying "no nono no nonono ono n" :3c
 
I kinda skipped the posts half way down so forgive me if this has been asked/mentioned/whatever. Question, didn't we have a RSS feeds forum where all news got put into? I think a forum just for news articles to discuss could work on its own tbh, considering there's so much news, but that could really fit into C&M anyway so. But for politics, idk, I like the idea of a general politics debate forum but it'd need a lot of supervision.

While the other subforums mentioned aren't bad, I think leaving everything general except politics and news could work out, since I dunno, I consider philosophy as something under a general blanket and I kinda consider the purpose of OC to be for social issues somewhat. :x
 
While the other subforums mentioned aren't bad, I think leaving everything general except politics and news could work out, since I dunno, I consider philosophy as something under a general blanket and I kinda consider the purpose of OC to be for social issues somewhat. :x
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I consider OC a place for social issues and such as well, but the social issues are mainly the news articles that people keep posting and Live wants to cut back on, if you look at the announcement. If they had a subforum and weren't in the general blanket, I think the stance on them could go back to normal somewhat. I personally think most OPs that post a link and quote from a source don't put in enough input on their first post, so if they could do that instead of post some humorous sentence about the news, then it wouldn't be such an issue and that subforum could go well.
 
News threads, politics, social issues, whatever, I don't want one particular aspect to dominate the entire section. I sure as hell know most of you don't enjoy sifting through a dozen or more threads on politics, understandably so. That if anything, is what pushes people away and makes it "scary".
 
This might be an appropriate time to suggest this, since I've been thinking about it for quite a while.

I've often thought that Post Your Problems, rather than just being one stickied thread, would be better served as a subforum. I think people would be more comfortable posting their problems if each problem got its own thread. I think it'd make people feel like they actually had people's attention and would make them more likely to seek advice from the community. It would also make me, personally, more likely to post advice if I could feel like I was heard. This is meant to be a community, so it'd be good to have a larger place where people can go and help each other, rather than just one thread.

It's just an idea though, it's no big deal if people don't like it lol
 
Why don't we just make a single politics and news forum and move all those threads there, and focus Other Chat on more... <insert a good word to describe what Live_Wire and the regulars want out of Other Chat>? That way, there's a place to go specifically for people interested in politics and news articles, and there's a place to go for intellectual discussion on philosophy, etc.? It's not like people can use the excuse "oh well, we don't have enough to warrant a forum!" There's more than enough, and it's been stated time and time again that it's not necessary nor wanted.
 
Patchisou Yutohru said:
Why don't we just make a single politics and news forum and move all those threads there, and focus Other Chat on more... <insert a good word to describe what Live_Wire and the regulars want out of Other Chat>? That way, there's a place to go specifically for people interested in politics and news articles, and there's a place to go for intellectual discussion on philosophy, etc.? It's not like people can use the excuse "oh well, we don't have enough to warrant a forum!" There's more than enough, and it's been stated time and time again that it's not necessary nor wanted.
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That's what I've said since 2008 really. But no people kept mentioning how the Thunderdome was some sort of flop or flame fest or something.

Still it would help my life be a lot easier to know where to go to for discussions.

But yeah in BMGf we've made our Politics sub-forum invite only to those we know could actually stay level headed in a deep discussion. :/
 
Shining Raichu said:
This might be an appropriate time to suggest this, since I've been thinking about it for quite a while.

I've often thought that Post Your Problems, rather than just being one stickied thread, would be better served as a subforum. I think people would be more comfortable posting their problems if each problem got its own thread. I think it'd make people feel like they actually had people's attention and would make them more likely to seek advice from the community. It would also make me, personally, more likely to post advice if I could feel like I was heard. This is meant to be a community, so it'd be good to have a larger place where people can go and help each other, rather than just one thread.

It's just an idea though, it's no big deal if people don't like it lol
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Oh wow, I like this.
It's always seemed to me that that thread was just disorganised. I don't mean like incredibly disorganised, but rather the natural level of disorganisation you get from putting several questions and several answers all in one in no particular order. This would make it easier for people to find the answers posted to their problems and easier to distinguish problems that haven't been "solved" yet.
 
Shining Raichu said:
This might be an appropriate time to suggest this, since I've been thinking about it for quite a while.

I've often thought that Post Your Problems, rather than just being one stickied thread, would be better served as a subforum. I think people would be more comfortable posting their problems if each problem got its own thread. I think it'd make people feel like they actually had people's attention and would make them more likely to seek advice from the community. It would also make me, personally, more likely to post advice if I could feel like I was heard. This is meant to be a community, so it'd be good to have a larger place where people can go and help each other, rather than just one thread.

It's just an idea though, it's no big deal if people don't like it lol
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This I'm not so sure about. I'm sure it'd be very active, but I feel as if it'd just come down to the same old threads popping up over and over again. By those, I mean 'How do I ask someone out/What to do if my friend hates me/Help, I'm pregnant (that last one was a stretch but you get what I mean). If there were a way to restrict the amount of those threads that came in, i'd be a-ok with the section, but at the moment I'm a bit skeptical.
 
Harlequin said:


This I'm not so sure about. I'm sure it'd be very active, but I feel as if it'd just come down to the same old threads popping up over and over again. By those, I mean 'How do I ask someone out/What to do if my friend hates me/Help, I'm pregnant (that last one was a stretch but you get what I mean). If there were a way to restrict the amount of those threads that came in, i'd be a-ok with the section, but at the moment I'm a bit skeptical.
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What if the threads just got deleted periodically to declutter and keep the subforum from taking up too much space?
I feel like once I heard the staff give a good reason as to why they never delete threads, but I don't remember what this was.
Anyway, I'm thinking if that subforum were made, maybe it would be customised in a way that it would be different from other sections, but I don't know exactly how...
 
A couple of years back before the lovely Love_Wire was moderator, there were a ton of news threads and pointless ones at that. I created a joint news thread and it just didn't take off. Maybe that was because people didn't think it was a good idea, or they just wanted to post the stupid news threads.

Either way, if this was enforced correctly, it could work. Love_wire will be doing a lot of merging, I guarantee that, because people want to show their crazy news stories and putting it in a thread where a crazy thread title can't be seen isn't as appealing.

I am in two minds about the whole idea, but if there was some order in the board, then I would post more. It isn't because of Live_Wire doing a bad job, he is doing an amazing job as I would expect my bro to do, but the board is normally over run with random news topics or political topics that have nothing to do with me, in the sense of not having anything to do with the country I live in.

Like I said before, it would need some planning and to have a decent mount of implementation time for it to really take off and work.

Just my two cents.​
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