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I usually feel like the only person who doesn't typically like the FF characters in KH because they're only ever used as plot devices. Only one done well was Zack in BBS. (Although Aerith's had her moments--I think I just say that because I like her though. u_u;;) Oh, and the Moogles are great.
Oh I am pretty sure I gave up after I got beaten in the scrap yard as Lightning, Ill just check (It may have been after I beat a flying boss in a citadell or big building that was falling down.)
Oh. Nvm, my old xbox red ringed and I havent figured out how to put the old HDD into the new xboxes (damn it.) I'll just have to start off again if I want to. (There goes 10 hours of my life I'll never get back.)
Maybe I'll just youtube all the cutscenes considering thats all I was really interested in anyway!
omg i know right and Sora wouldn't have just let him die like that even though he didn't know him but Sora is just a sweetheart okay but I guess the point they were trying to make is that a bunch of stuff (X-blade, death of Eraqus but that was Eraqus' own damn fault, okay)wouldn't have happened without Ven and I'm not completely certain Sora would've even got the keyblade without the presence of Ven's heart and gah. how could you wish death on Ven he's so sweet I just asdfjkl.
Eh, it wouldn't have happened precisely that way but MX obviously wouldn't have just given up if BBS didn't pan out the way he wanted. <_< He just would have found someone else to try the X-blade stuff with.
I think KH3D confirmed that Sora doesn't actually own a Keyblade, he just uses Ven's. XD;
spoiler:KH3D
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omg i know I was freaking out because I thought Sora was about to be turned into a Xehanort and then SUDDENLY LEA. and Mickey and Riku are like "wtf axel" and it was funnnnny to my hurting brain, okay. lol, they're just so used to Axel and tbh it does fit him a bit more than Lea XD
omg me too I always pronounce it like that and all my irl friends are going "lol that's a girl's name" and I'm like "Welp why don't you take that up with the creator but that's his freaking name omg". and I don't think anybody actually says Rikku's name, do they? Idk why, but I'm assuming it's so all the little children don't get all ~confused omg~ about having two characters with the same name. BECAUSE YOU CAN TOTES CONFUSE RIKU AND RIKKU IF THEY'RE STANDING SIDE BY SIDE AM I RIGHT. jesus D;
I can associate "Lea" just fine with BBS!Lea but when he's just Axel minus the face tattoos... nope. XD; It might help if he loses the Organization jacket but I'm not sure.
Yeah, I don't think they ever say Rikku but her name is in the journal, I guess. But she and Riku are practically twins in looks and personality anyway, so, I guess that's why they never outright say her name. It would be sooo confusing, you'd never be able to tell them apart. :( :(
spoiler:BbS
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Look, anyone who doesn't run away screaming from the Hag!Queen in Dwarf Woodlands is far too trusting for their own good Ven hun we need to work on this D:
AT LEAST HE DIDN'T AGREE TO WORK FOR HER. TERRA, LOOKIN' AT YOU AGAIN. (I mean, I guess at least when Terra spoke to her, she was a queen but still. SAME PERSONALITY.)
DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD: MARLUXIA YOU CREEPY. sorry hun but it had to be said D8 and as far as I know, DiZ just shows up in TWTNW with his encoder-thing and he suddenly is all ~repentant omg~ and I'm like "well now you pulled a 180 now didn't you" and yeah. I'm going to say he just woke up one day, looked in the mirror and said "wtf."
we discussed this in vms and I got the mental image of Marluxia cuddling a Cherrim and I was like "awwwww...wait what no marulxia's mean ):"
.__. It's true. Marluxia is super creepy. There is no getting around that, haha. though i get creepy points too because I actually ship Marluxia/Namine. Although now I have a much better otp for her so that's good.
he would have a cherrim and he would totally pretend that he didn't like it at all to save face but it would secretly be his favourite.
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wow this is really old when the hell did i draw this
um as far as KH goes i still ship mostly yaoi and Ven/Nami does this make me a horrible person ;_; but I don't think I hated the KH girls because they ~got in the way omg~ I think it was because they just didn't do anything. But now I realize that at least as far as Kairi and Nami go they really couldn't do anything in KHI and CoM respectively. Kairi was in a lost-heart coma and Namine was essentially a prisoner omg. and larxene is a sadist omg and she sort of scares me ;__;
not at all! I only mentioned the yaoi thing because it's the only reason I can think of that I thought girls in fandoms were ~IN THE WAY~ and that's just such a dumb reason for disliking characters. xD; My KH OTP (Marluxia/Axel whee) is stil m/m so I can't very well judge hahaha. It disappoints me how most of the KH girls are treated in canon since they're all great characters and they have so much potential but they rarely get to do anything so everyone just hates on them. And I can understand that, I just wish they could DO more. ;_; It's why I like Aqua so much. Instead of being the damsel or just messing around with things when she wasn't supposed to, she was the ONLY SUPER CAPABLE ONE in her trio. <3 Larxene is a crazy ***** and I love her for it but she is not a people person and she actually isn't all that capable but at least she never once lies about which side she's on, so she's one of the few KH characters who you can see right through. That's kind of refreshing. XD
spoiler: BbS, KH3D, Days
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Perhaps revenge on the BbS trio? (or at least Terra, who shot darkness at him and took his eye out, remember?) that is literally the only reason I can think of besides him just being an ass atm. Even though I don't know when he thinks he's going to be able to ~get revenge omg~ because Terra is currently Xehanort's vessel (i mean i think he's still possessed, terranort wasn't among the Nortys in KH3D but he might have been one of the hooded figures), Aqua's in the RoD and Ven is in a lost-heart coma and he's hidden where no one can find him except for Aqua. idk this is probably just me trying to make everything about the BbS trio again lol.
That...does make me a little sad, omg. Well, remember, Roxas made Axel understand ~human emotions~ and he probably felt pretty strongly about Xion too. Maybe he just realized Saix was a lost cause and/or he thought Saix was going to hurt Roxas and/or Xion? i mean i think saix was a boss battle in days i can't remember omg S-so Saix beat Axel up? when did this happen omg. was this when Kairi "got away from him"? And are you talking about Isa thinking Lea is a douche? or Xehanort because the wording confused me i'm sorry omg. But um...well, Isa already has his heart back (i guess. This game gave me more questions than answers, asdfjkl) so idk what else YMX could've offered him. Maybe Isa's just an ass like Braig, lol. but he was such a cute kid. Isa I mean. Not Braig. Ewwwwww.
ohgod now I'm scared I'm going to accidentally leave something unspoilered and everyone will kill me especially onee-chan omg D;
Yeah, maybe it is just revenge on Terra. And petty revenge on MX for being indirectly responsible for the loss of Braig's eye. XD; Though now you've reminded me that Braig possibly knows where Aqua is, too. So he might have ALL THE ANSWERS and is just biding his time with them until the information helps him. Hmm.
Omg I was reading through the secret journals from Days last night and came to the conclusion that Marluxia is really dumb but that's not why I'm bringing this up, I just had to complain about it >:| and awww Axel's tranformation over the course of the game. ;_; The beginning he's like "ugggh stuck babysitting the boring comatose kid" then "haha i've been eating ice cream with comatose kid. he's kinda dumb but it's endearing" then "so i finally came back from C.O. and everyone's looking at me funny and why is Roxas friends with Xion????" then "Oh, I get why he's friends with Xion. She's pretty okay" then "OMG Xion's a puppet? Does this mean I'm not friends with her?" then "I don't care what Saix says. Xion is my friend." then "Xion found out and she ran away. I hope she comes to her senses because I don't wanna be sent to take her out." then "gdi now Roxas is mad at me too but I can't tell him why I had to attack Xion *flail*" then ";_; roxas left today." And somewhere in there he gives Roxas advice for dealing with girls and his journal entry is just like "I think it went right over his head. Knowing them, they're fighting about something dumb anyway." lmaooo But aww Axel. :(
I think he and Saix just drifted. They couldn't joke around or anything, which I imagine bothered Axel because he likes to make light of a lot of things (and Isa, in BBS anyway, seemed to joke around too). Saix never saw Xion as anything but a figure with [its] hood up all the time, so he thought Axel was just crazy. He wasn't making any bonds with people so he never got a heart remade (or whatever the heck happens) and he just didn't understand why Axel was acting as if he was friends with Roxas & Xion. Especially Xion. But yeah, the novels always reveal a little more information than the games in some places and in between Axel's appearance in Radiant Garden (where Saix shows up a moment later and he bolts) and when he sacrifices himself for you, there's a scene where Axel's talking to Namine after Saix nearly takes him out and she helps fix him up, he opens the portal for her to TWTNW so she can save Kairi, and then he goes to find Sora. Or something like that--I don't remember the exact details since I don't own this book and I don't even remember when/where I would've read the translation. XD; (I love the novels though, since they also reveal that the Grey Room [where you get your missions and stuff in Days] is actually named "The Garden of Intertwining Light and Darkness" which is just SUCH A XEMNAS NAME for a room. Must drive the rest of the Organization crazy whenever he mentions the name of a room in the castle because they're all so pretentious and long and confusing. Xemnas, I'm sorry. I can't take you seriously.)
I meant Isa thinks Lea/Axel/whatever is a douche. :( I mean, his last thoughts were probably something like "it's totally Axel's fault that I never got my heart back" and next thing he knows, he's waking up on the floor somewhere with a heart so maybe he got the same thoughts and got the pain/hurt that would come with it and went "NOPE, NOT WORTH IT" and joined Xehanort again or something. ;_;
I have to hit "preview" like a million times before I'm sure I've gotten all of them every time. XD
spoiler:BbS, KH3D
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Idk how he possibly could've meant Aqua, she's never been controlled by a Xehanort so I think she's okay as far as that goes. Lurked around on some other forums and general consensus is that the two lights MX supposedly has/had under his control are Terra and Sora (only briefly) A couple of people theorized that MX might be counting Ven into his 13 Darknesses because ven is so incredibly dark i mean it just oozes off of him he's such a dark child AM I RIGHT jesus christ but I suppose MX could brainwash him or something. And that's just assuming he can even get to him, which I doubt unless he busts through the walls of CO like the Kool-aid man.people y u want ven to be evil HE ISN'T OMG and aqua made sure he was safely hidden wtf
Well, I was thinking more that he didn't recruit Aqua or anything, but he was kind of the cause for her being sealed away in the Darkness, so she can't be used as a Light so long as she's out of the picture. But maybe the cutscene was more "you can't use [this person] because I have [them] on MY side" rather than just "you can't use [this person] because [they] are not here". I'll have to go watch that scene again. I guess the second one wouldn't make much sense or else he'd talk about Ven that way too and there'd be an extra number added onto his tally. :s But unless he could merge Ven and Vanitas back together, I don't think it would be physically possible for Ven to be one of the 13 Darknesses so people just don't know what they're talking about. XD Besides, even if he could merge them, why bother when Vanitas is pure Darkness as it is??
spoiler:BbS
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I JUST READ THE BEST FANFIC EVER HERE IT IS~ ASDFJKL VEN IS SORA'S IMAGINARY FRIEND OMGOMGOMG DYING
THIS. THIS RIGHT HERE. It is adorable. I can just imagine little!Riku rolling his eyes and putting up with the greeting-Ven-everyday stuff. XD; And then like 6 years later, still doing it.
spoiler:BbS
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and I was like "waaaaaait a minute, why on earth did he leave the dying part in" and then that happened and I was like "SK:DLHJFSD:LKFJSHDKG:FJLKGHSDLKFHDLKG:HDSKFJDS:KGHDSK:LFJ HEADCANON well, the war cry I am speaking of is at about 11:26 in this video and that was a story scene so the voice actor did do some stuff good. man oh man mega flare got nerfed between KHII and BbS holy crap. but my favorite spell ever is Ven's Faith omg and WINGBLADE IS THE BEST COMMAND STYLE EVER ASDFJKL well Terra does have sort of a soft spot for Ven so you'd think he would've noticed that earlier. Terra sweetie why is it so difficult to love you omg
Wow I didn't even remember that. I think that's better than the Japanese one, actually. :O
Mega Flare was in KH2? XD I did not even know this, lmao. Don't think I ever used it. My favourite spell in BBS that wasn't boring was Magnet Square. *u* Was good for crowd control and usually owned bosses who were too dumb to jump around it. Boring attacks would be Magnega + Thundaga. Magnega owned pretty much anything and it was a powerful enough spell that even Terra could use it to kill things. I felt really lame by the end of all my files since I'd just go to Neverland and use it over and over again to max out my abilities and commands. XD; Ignite was pretty hax too since you can actually set Vanitas on fire in most of his fights and he just slowly loses health while you avoid him. Made him SO easy at the end of Terra's game wow. (And my strategy with Aqua against that giant Heartless was just to set it on fire... though I kind of had to be cheap since it's hard to experiment with other things when you're level one... 8D;) Also Wingblade was waaaay better than Aqua or Terra's final styles. :( The Darkness one makes me grr because it's so annoying when it's used against me and it's hard to control and ugggh I hate Ghost Drive. It slows you down slightly and it's really disorienting to fight with because the noise it makes when you do anything (especially dodge!) is horrible and the finisher takes so long and concentrates on just the one spot so if you miss or kill the thing before the finisher ends, it's a waste of time. ;_; But Ven's is just plain fun. XD Pulled that out of strikethroughs and made it a paragraph because YAY RAMBLING ABOUT BBS BATTLE MECHANICS and then making it easier to read.
spoiler:BbS
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I find the absence of Terranort very ominous. I mean surely Yen Sid/Mickey would realize that worlds were disappearing again, but maybe they were distracted by Sora and Riku's Mark of Mastery. and yes I believe that it is a fact that Terranort was faking his amnesia the first time idk if this means that MX is still in control or not asdfjkl
Terranort always confused me since he SEEMS to totally have amnesia, but he also pushes all the apprentices into studying the heart and, eventually, getting rid of them. In all his appearances, he just never really gave me the same vibe that MX ever did. But then the first scene of 3D is Terranort talking to Braig and then taking his heart with MX's Keyblade? So MX must be in control at that point or else Terranort wouldn't be able to use the Keyblade. :s But then, is MX in control now? I feel like Terranort can't be one of the hooded figures in 3D because they wouldn't pass up a chance to show him off but I don't know what he'd be up to otherwise. Unless Terra came back and has no idea where he is or where he's supposed to go/how to get off whatever world he's on. (His Keyblade and Armour are still back at the Keyblade Graveyard. Maybe he is just stranded somewhere. XD)
Honestly, I liked it better when I assumed Terranort always had amnesia since it meant Xemnas and Ansem had amnesia which meant the whole time Xemnas was searching for a Keyblade user, Xigbar was sitting there pointedly not telling him that Xemnas could use a Keyblade himself. But 3D kind of ruined that, aww.
I don't really get why it was important that Sora and Riku become Keyblade Masters RIGHT THIS MINUTE anyway. Couldn't it have waited until the threat was gone? I know Aqua learnt some important things only after becoming a Master but is there anything like that that Riku needs to know now? :/
Sora should wait and retake his Mark of Mastery when Ven takes it. The army of Soras should all take it at the same time.
spoiler:BbS
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I believe in Re:coded's secret ending yes I remember Re:coded's secret ending but only because Ven was mentioned that Mickey said they had found/were close to finding Ven's heart or something along those lines. If they were talking about his body, it would be a moot point anyway because nobody can get to him except Aqua and possibly the aforementioned Kool-aidMan!Xehanort lol
...ARRRRRRRGHHHHH LEA REMEMBER VEN ALREADY AND CLEAR THIS ENTIRE MESS UP FOR US NOW PLZKTHNX. and Tink never talks anyway, so she can't help either asdfjkl. Yeah I was thinking about the Donald & Goofy thing and I think they're sort of in the same boat as Lea. They met the kid once ten years ago and never saw him again. Though he was friends with their king, and you know, kind of went to help Mickey in the Keyblade Graveyeard so you would think that would leave a lasting impression with them but nope. asdfjkl D&G THE PAIR OF YOU REMEMBER VEN ALREADY DAMMIT. or show mickey that picture of Roxas, he'll be able to make the connection and clear this mess up asdfjkl.
I only ever saw that once and it was on Youtube so I was sort of trying not to watch it since I was so ashamed that I didn't earn it myself. (I never once watched the secret movie of KH2FM [the trailer for BBS] until a few days before the game came out since I hadn't beaten Terra's Armour yet so Youtubing an ending was kind of a big deal for me. xD) But yeah, I guess that does make sense but... wtf. I don't get how they can be "close" to finding Ven's heart (or his body for that matter). o_O What are they using to sense/find it? Does that mean they theorize that it's in Sora but just can't confirm it? I don't get iiiit. T_T; It might make more sense if they mean his body but I don't see how they could be any closer to finding that, really.
xD; I have a crack RP based on the Organization with some of my high school friends and we brought TAV back into it. Ven met Axel and was all "OMG LEA HI I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN SO LONG :DDD" and Axel was like "uhh I don't even know you" and Ven was just like "I THOUGHT WE WERE FRIENDS. HOW CAN YOU NOT REMEMBER ME. YOU CAN'T CALL ME VEN ANYMORE". I will be disappointed if that doesn't happen in canon. (Although hopefully Ven won't be in a princess dress in the canon version. I did say it was a crack RP.) I think Donald and Goofy should still remember him at least somewhat. They met him twice, I think. Ven goes to talk to Yen Sid once... doesn't he? I mean, he has to D-Link with them sometime before the end of the game but I don't remember exactly when that is. I think it's right before Ven goes back to LoD so Eraqus can be a jerk? Anyway, they meet him then and become his friends (although I guess that's not really saying much because Ven becomes friends with everyone that he's happened to know for 5 minutes). But. Then after the confrontation in Keyblade Graveyard, Aqua and Ven are brought back to Yen Sid's tower. I don't understand how Ven wouldn't have made an impression then. :/ They would've watched him sleeping and watched Aqua leave with him. How can they not remember him after something like that? They would've been right there for any discussion Yen Sid & Mickey had while Aqua and Ven were unconcious AND probably and Master-to-Master conversations that Aqua had with Yen Sid before she left. And you'd think they would tell Sora about "that other Keyblade wielder" they met at least once on their journeys. Maybe they did and Sora didn't know what to do with the information, then forgot about it in COM, and then Namine missed that chain when she was putting him back together lmao. Only explanation? ;_;
spoiler:BbS
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...the thought of Xigbar/Braig knowing where Ven is is terrifying omg. asdfjkl what if he's the reason ven disappears from the throne in BbSFM secret ending omg omg omg asdfjkl
noooo ven! ;_; W-well even if Xigbar knows where he is, he doesn't know how to get to him so. It should be okay.
spoiler:if it's just general stuff why are we putting it in spoilers omg. and bbs spoilers
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erm I just want to see it when he saves his big brotherVen omg I WILL DIE A MILLION DEATHS OKAY and Aqua will be adorable too but Terra is probably going to be all angsty and self-hating and honey, it's a bit too late for all of that asdfjkl.
spoiler: well, I meant general series spoilers. wait, are we conversing in these too? how do we even manage???
Oh god, Terra's gonna be absolutely untolerable for a while after he comes back. :/ Think all the emo guilt that Riku had during COM and multiply it by a bazillion because at least Riku just messed things up for a few months and in like 3 worlds. Terra nearly caused the collapse of everything ever.
Xemnas' cutscenes have always killed me :D he's just so ~serious omg~ and ~emotionless omg~ and it's fantastic okay and it just got so much better in KH3D asdfjkl. though I still don't like Xemnas himself because reasons
Hun, you really shouldn't have played it on painkillers D: I suppose you were just SUPER EXCITE OMG but idk how you understood anything asdfjkl. I never use the 3D on my 3DS precisely for that reason IT MAKES ME ALL SWIMMY-HEADED AND SICK AND OMG DX
I have giggle fits whenever he appears on screen, you don't understand. He's all serious about everything and he's trying to talk about how he's taking over the worlds and obtaining Kingdom Hearts and using people all over the place and ruining everything and I'm just laughing uncontrollably the whole time. :( Haha, in the very first cutscene of Days, it's pretty much just him giving a speech about Roxas (or is it Xion? Whatever, same speech). It sort of pans around at all the Organization members and Demyx is soooo falling asleep during it. XD; They all totally know that they can tune him out the whole time and the only thing they'll miss is "KINGDOM HEAAAAARTS".
I shouldn't have, but I wasn't very well going to let the game sit there for a week. :( (It took me a few days, but I did eventually turn the 3D off and I was okay from then on, at least. Well, for physically playing, anyway. Nothing helped understand half those cutscenes. [This is probably why we talk about things from 3D and I'm just like "wait what?" XD])
...now I feel bad for turning the entire club into ASDFJKL KINGDOM HEARTS. DX butbutbut I really don't know that much about FF I'm so sorry you guys ;___;
Still debating splitting this club, hmm. 8/ But where would the other Square-Enix stuff go?? I mean it's pretty much KH/FF central but TWEWY comes up sometimes. And maybe someone, somewhere will eventually want to talk about Dragon Quest idk (lol). And "Square-Enix Except For KH Club" is pretty lame. XD;
I don't reply in this club for a few days and what do I find? Wall of text fodder.
I'll try to make a brick wall then, starting from the first post I didn't reply at. Apologies if your scroll button gets agoraphobic! I'll just have to increase the scroll space a little more.
I was a member of the last KH SE FC and yeah, Saku-chan told me about there being a new one~ May I please partake in discussions/fangirling/ avoidance of spoilers pertaining to Dream Drop Distance? Which I need a 3DS for
Oh I remember you! I assume you don't remember me but I do, I think you were really active in the KH club back then. And *goes to check* I was right, we actually had a conversation once two and a half years ago. Please you are absolutely encouraged to partake in whatever you will! And I'm actually still saving up for a 3DS this very moment, getting one precisely for KH3D. :3
I'm gonna start marking my spoilers with what's spoilered since they aren't even all KH3D spoilers by this point so there are some parts of conversation that other people can jump into as well.
Oh good, it's actually a brilliant idea to label which games the spoilers are for, so that if you've already played that certain game, you can peek. Or at least know what specific game you'll just be spoiling yourself with, haha.
Also... KH is kind of taking over the general S-E thread and I feel like that must be alienating people. :( It's mainly just that 3D is out and we're speculating but it's not like other S-E games haven't been coming out too. Is this tolerable for everyone or should we maybe be looking at splitting up the club back into FF and KH separately? /flinging idea
That is a huge problem, I don't want to alienate people at all! But yes 3D is largely increasing the KH-centric activity. I'm actually starting to consider going back to separate clubs, I'll make sure to be active in both of them and force encourage people to do so too! There's actually tons of things to talk about FF, now that I think of it. But there are dedicated TWEWY fans or maybe even Dragon Quest fans and they'd get left out if we go splitting the club into its major components so I don't know.
The laughs are always what get me, haha. ;_; I know it's just to make it loose and not so serious sounding but it also sounds like he's just brushing it off, aww.
spoilers for: KH3D
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I'm pretty sure Vanitas will be one of the 13 Darknesses somehow. I mean, he pretty much literally is darkness and I can't see MX passing him up. Who knows, maybe we'll find out that MK managed to extract Vanitas from Sora (assuming Vanitas became a part of him too? I was under the assumption he did) while Sora was asleep in his grasp so he could show up again.
And he reminds you of Voldemort because YMX almost literally splits off his soul every time he does that time travel thing and there are like 20 versions of him right now that just won't die. XD;
I always thought he does that whenever the interviewer gives him a weird look with his Nomura answers. Yes he has trademark Nomura answers that tease more than clarify pretty much. But yeah, I don't want him to brush off something as huge as BBSv2!
spoilers for: KH3D, BBS and Days
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I actually was under the impression that Vanitas immediately approached Xehanort (inside Terranort) when he was defeated by Ven in his final battle. Kinda parallel to Ven approaching kid!Sora and taking rest in his heart. I dunno, maybe that's why he appeared beside YMX for a split second when he was talking to Sora (which was also shown in the trailers either as first or last segments for two of those).
Actually that brings me to a point, when KH3D was not yet released in Japan, I saw YMX (which sort of represents Xehanort) as a parallel to Sora, and he kinda pointed it out in that scene, or at least that's what I got out of their conversation. They sort of both harbor many hearts within them, like Ven, Roxas and Xion in Sora while there's Terra (I think) and Vanitas in Xehanort. Is that point even significant in the actual game though? Or in the future of the series?
Namine just had more to do in the games than Kairi, so she got more development by default. :( It kinda sucks since I like Kairi a lot too but spoilers for: KH3D
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Hopefully she'll get something to do in KH3! Now that I think about it, maybe they only tossed her in as a Keyblade Wielder so that they could use her as the tutorial or something. XD; Still okay with it!
Yeah, Lea's creepy very nearly overpowered Sora's weirdness in that scene. @_@ It's a really strange ending, lmao. I would hate to wake up to that! Poor Riku.
Yeah, and Namine had more decisions, both life and game changing, to make in her appearances that effectively give way for development. Kairi was just handled wrong imo, and it really does suck. I don't even know why I like Kairi anymore, but I still do. spoilers for: KH3D
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There is hope, though! I want her to get more of a role and it seems that with the whole secret ending centering on her possible development, she can actually do much more this time. Yeah maybe they'll make another Roxas like 7-days scenario for Kairi, but this time with her narrating what's happened so far in her point of view while training with the Keyblade or something. That would be awesome! Even better if she maintains a huge role throughout. People might get turned off though with another draggy lengthy tutorial for them, but not me.
I would've been fine with Roxas/Namine if they'd done something with them in Days. They had the chance to make it so they met somehow and it would help explain why they suddenly decide to be friends at the end of KH2 and it'd explain their connection but they didn't do that so they had no connection which is why it was disappointing. :(
spoilers for: re:coded, BBS
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This is true! I know she had to have found something about TAV locked away in Sora's heart. It would be kind of adorable if she found out from Ven. Although, if that's the case, how'd she know about Terra and Aqua? o_O; Their fates were decied after Ven fell asleep, mostly. Ven might have some idea that Aqua saved him and set him to rest in what became C.O. but it was after she left him that she found Terranort and fell into the Darkness trying to save him. Hmm.
She supposedly has power over people who are close to Sora, too, so maybe the original trio counted with that? She was able to erase the memory/idea of Sora from mostly everyone's head until Sora came back, right? Maybe that extended to absolutely everyone who'd come in contact with him. I think Aqua considered passing on the Keyblade to Sora for a moment until she realized that Terra had already done that to Riku so maybe that left enough of an impression that Namine had access to her heart/memories and could piece things together from there? But then you'd think she (and DiZ?) would have tried to get that message across in a better way than just hacking extra data into Jiminy's paper-journal. (Square-Enix, I don't think diaries work the way you think they work.) Instead they left a cryptic message on the last page that explains nothing and the true meaning was only found after making data!Sora play through a crappy game. >:O
Then again, BBS just added all sorts of plotholes-that-when-you-thing-about-them-makes-everyone-seem-like-a-jerk. 'Cause Mickey and Yen Sid would've known all about TAV too, and they never said a thing about them to Sora/Riku, lmao. ;_;
That is a prime example of how many wasted plotlines, short events and directions they could've taken for Days but just didn't. I wish they allowed more headcanon into Days, not much time in between the illustrated days within the game to place events that one would have like to happen, like what you just described. I really wished that happened. But since it didn't and I can't convince myself to think it did, I don't like Roxas being paired with Naminé.
spoilers for: Re:Coded, BBS
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Right, Ven telling her wouldn't have made much sense. He knew nothing about what happened to Terra and Aqua. Your explanation makes more sense, actually, with her powers and all, and if this is the case, I think only Naminé knew about TAV. I don't even think DiZ was in Re:Coded. But yes, it is a shame this had to pave way for a sub-par game, maybe Naminé knew she had no other way of meeting Sora and simply imitated the "Thank Naminé" note to inform her because she couldn't think of anything better, haha. And it's part of KH-- messing with in-betweens and pasts to cause plotholes like that. Maybe King Mickey and Yen Sid were waiting for the right time? I mean in Re:Coded's secret ending they seemed really intentionally secretive on discussing the whereabouts of TAV, maybe they thought Sora would be too reckless and get killed trying to save Aqua and co.
spoilers for: 3DS. like. massive spoilers. all the end-game bosses. XD
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It's hard to describe until you play it.
As with most KH games, once you hit the last world, everything starts going crazy and plot lines you didn't even know were a thing start wrapping up and the inevitable "WTF IS GOING ON???" begins. Sora wanders through the City That Never Was and has to take on Xemnas. Right after the fight, they drop him off to sleep "for good" and it's all up to Riku. Riku starts off in the Castle That Never Was and fights his way up it and takes on Ansem, only to find out that he was in Sora's dream the whole time. (I think this was how that part went?) From there, he wakes up back in the City That Never Was an has to make his way to the Castle again. Once he gets there, Sora's about to be turned into a mindless puppet of darkness. Riku has to put an end to YMX before MX can revive and do the deed. There, you get the awesome YMX/MF fight with time travel and series throwbacks and it's just epic. The scene after it has all the epic that a closing scene in KH should, too. Sora's about to die, Lea shows up and saves the day, and it's Riku and Mickey and Lea and Donald and Goofy against the bad guys and you're sitting there going "WOW THIS IS A REALLY SATISFYING ENDING". The YMX fight is pretty tough and frustrating (as was the Ansem fight for me, haha, my Riku was so underlevelled ;_;) so now you're just glad it's over so you can watch the ending go by.
...and then it's not over. You get out of there and Sora's still sleeping. So Riku has to dive into him to wake him up and... wait. W-why are we fighting Ven? Why is he controlled by darkness? DID SOMETHING HAPPEN TO HIM? NO. BAD. BAD SERIES. The fight isn't too difficult but it's not exactly a walk in the park either. :( It just felt very out of place. I look back on it now and like the idea of it, and I feel it was appropriate story-wise and all, but gameplay-wise it was kind of anti-climatic and tacked on. So that's where all the complaints come from, I think. It just... after the epicness of the fights up to this point, it sort of made all of them lose a bit of importance just because there were so many. Or something.
Really? I... I didn't think Re:Coded had good gameplay at all. XD; They took the command system from BBS so I went in expecting great things but it didn't port very well to the DS and I found the controls difficult and I just... I dunno. I wasn't very good at it, and I just chalked it up to bad controls/gameplay because I'm never not good at a KH game. But I also pretty much advised all my friends to not bother with the game unless they "needed" to play it, so I don't really know anyone who could confirm my assumption. XD; That game made me so worried about KH3D because it uses the command system too but they made it all better for 3D.
But yeah, you are literally the only person I know who actually liked (and not just "tolerated" Re:Coded). XD;
Oh God I should prepare myself for a completely confusing late game once again. I agree that I should play it first but you actually describe it pretty well. It all sounds like the climax kept happening within those cutscenes around the YMX fight. Everything that's acting like a short burst of climax after that, when you're expecting everything to fall into their places like any good plot, would indeed feel tacked on. So I guess having yet another boss that doesn't even explain itself before the fight (and touches on, seemingly, an evil Ven of all things) would be pretty disappointing. On the other side of this, I sure do prefer a full-on battle, instead of just a cutscene of Riku fighting dark Ven armor-slash-Sora, even if it feels tacked on. I don't want another Roxas TWTNW cutscene, haha.
It actually felt fresh, the platforming was sort of cool, the BBS + Days fusion was okay, but honestly, I don't know why I enjoyed it enough. Haha, maybe I just wasn't that serious of a KH gamer and just liked its uniqueness and random quirks, like the huge references to KH, the random but drastically different mini-games and being a bad copy of COM and such. Well, to each his own, I suppose. I actually wouldn't mind just knowing the plot of Re:Coded and opting not to play it, haha.
I'm the only person? I don't know what that says about me, haha.
I think the Osaka team is the BBS team which did 3D and is probably working on other stuff. They've renamed all the teams since they started work on FF13VS so I don't even know what's up anymore, but I know whichever team previously worked on KH is working exclusively on VS now. So one would think they'd be the same team.
I think Osaka might be mostly handheld games? Honestly, though, if they'd just get a freakin' move on with KH and let the Osaka team handle the numbered sequel, I'd be absolutely okay with it. >:|
It actually might've been easier to read that way but I already started with quotes so... /continues D8
Oh is that so? What happened to the numbered KH team, whatever they were called? I always thought Osaka = console KH and other teams = spinoffs but I think I'm mixing them up. Gah this is all confusing.
Oh haha I guess that made it more inconvenient. I still think that post would have been too lengthy because I had both yours and Sakura's posts quoted for almost every '@' you can see there. But yeah. My apologies.
This would not surprise me at all. They also said they weren't making a BBSFM. It came out one year later.
"Ven, I thought you were supposed to get all the colours before going back to start. You're missing green though..."
"Uhhhh there's this... special rule, where if you go Red, Blue and Yellow in that order, you don't have to go get Green. You just get... uhhhh... less points. Yeah."
spoilers for: uhh... Days and BBS
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...and since everyone in Sora's heart is gullible as heck, they would all nod, think it made lots of sense, and that would be the new rule.
Man what is up with the false info they're feeding us? But yeah, FMs are easy money for them, so if they're not busy they might as well earn some more dough from the same title. Just don't include a false secret ending this time. Or better yet, apply the rule for easy money to BBSv2! :D
That is so AI Ven, in all his dumb and adorable glory. And I agree with what's inside the spoiler tag, haha.
Don't forget that he also took off Ven's shirt around the time of blank-eyes Ven when he went to go dump him in Destiny Islands! :D I... I still never did figure out why that was necessary. (And I often forget about it because if you select a new game and skip the tutorial, I think it skips that scene too. Nooothing can top the sheer confusion when I started up the game for the first time and suddenly there was an Organization member with a shirtless dead-looking Roxas in DI. It was so WTF-worthy.)
Marluxia had no heart and I'm of the opinion he didn't try very hard to get it back or pretend he did have one or anything like that. So when he was using Namine, he didn't feel bad or good about it, he just used her like a tool because she was the easiest way to get what he wanted. That's not okay, but DiZ had a heart and feelings and would have had to look at Namine every time he gave her orders and go "oh wow, I am abusing this girl who looks younger than 14; but if I remind myself she has no heart, it's TOTALLY OKAY." So I think that makes it a lot worse. (Honestly, in my last post, I think I completely forgot about the fact that Marluxia had no heart when I was trying to justify why I didn't mind his actions but hated DiZ's. Wooow. /fail XD)
spoilers for: KH3D
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I mean, to be fair, 3D kind of steps all over the original definition of a Nobody so they kind of built up hearts in the end anyway but I still feel like Marluxia never bothered making connections to people and doing the whole "caring" thing to get one.
Anyway! Yeah I hated Riku in KH1, didn't like him in COM (probably for his horrible gameplay--MAKE YOUR OWN DECK, CHILD, STOP USING RANDOM CARDS), and thought he was an idiot in KH2. As a rule, I really do not like angsty characters, so he's always just bugged me. I... I warmed up to him a lot in KH3D, though. :( He wasn't angsty and he was legitimately making up for his mistakes and he succeeded and went above and beyond in capability and...
...>_<; By the end of it, I think I didn't mind him much at all. I mean, he'll still probably never be anywhere near my favourite characters list, but I got a lot of development at the end of KH2 to now and he's become a lot more likeable. (Guys this is kind of a big step for me, to admit that I don't hate Riku anymore. Wow.)
Man that scene was the epitome of bizarre. What was Nomura thinking? So much fridge logic right there. I mean how can MX end up with a half-naked zombie Ven without doing the creepy? Indeed, WTF-worthy.
I actually found that pretty fitting for his character. The fact that he was a Nobody freed him from any conscience that could halt his plans. But DiZ is entirely different, and yes he is really awful for doing all that to her without thinking twice.
spoilers for: KH3D, BBS, Re:Coded and Days, too, I guess
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I still don't completely understand this bit they added with the Nobodies in KH3D. Do they actually suggest that Nobodies grow their own hearts? So restored people like Lea get to have two hearts or just one combined heart? Or do they slowly sap away from the old heart in their Heartless when they connect and bond and stuff? So confusing.
I never actually really liked Riku until the later spinoffs. My brother liked Riku from the start but me, I've always been more of a Sora guy. I'm pretty okay with angsty characters but yeah Riku was just mildly likeable because he had some cool moments throughout the KH1 - KH2 storyline and boasts and absolutely beautiful yet kick-ass Way to Dawn. But as I said the later spinoffs made me like him more. BBS with his cute speech talking to Terra and Aqua, Re:Coded with the huge role of Jiminy's Journal/Data Riku, and Days with just being a cooler guy in the blindfold than in KHII. And KH3D will probably continue on with the trend, and you being a former Riku hater then warming up with him signifies that. Is it okay for me to say that I'm happy you don't hate him anymore? :3
Y-yeah. I can see that. (Although omg I don't even remember Riku in Re:Coded LMAO. I was listing the games I disliked him in above and went "wait, wasn't he in Re:Coded? But I only remember Sora. Oh well.") Pretty much any time something happened in either Sora or Riku's worlds during the game that affected the other person's version, they'd get all dreamy-eyed and look up toward the heavens with trust and joy and friendship in their eyes and I was just like "omg stop that please". XD; I didn't come out of the game shipping it, but I guess coming out of the game not hating Riku was a big enough step for me! Maybe by the next one. :P
"No you're not! Everyone's a somebody. His tone turned indignant, as if he was insulted by how little she thought of herself." OH MY GOD. ;_; HE WOULD. HE WOULD BE LIKE IN TEARS AND THEN THINK SOMEONE ELSE WAS SAD AND JUMP TO COMFORT THEM. dying. i definitely ship this now. so hard. (And then later "Call me Ven!"... that's our wifi password in this house hahaha. XD;)
I always wondered what happened with Sora and how he treats Kairi for him to no longer care as much. Since KHII the games have slowly turned into a big "heck yeah we agree with what [most of] you fans really want" for the inseparable duo, Sora and Riku. And I'm actually slowly accepting this as part of the franchise, even though I'll probably still be cringing with what you described there Lightning, haha.
I actually loved that one-shot fic, thank you for sharing it Sakura. :D
I needed more reasons to love Ven (definitely my favourite character in BBS), and I actually feel like playing BBS one more time now and enjoy it much more, haha.
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...I give up. Too many replies to make. ;-;
Oh yeah, Super Mario RPG! That was made by Square. So I want to talk about that. Has any of you played that game? I assume you have, Tori. I'm actually playing the game right now. Maybe you want a sequel (like me) or just find some specific part of the game interesting, or if you haven't checked it out yet then just say what you think about it.
Well, Sephiroth in the first KH threw me for a loop. Even though I think he was FM only and as such I probably saw this on youtube He's creepy, he just shows up out of nowhere and doesn't talk or anything, he just fights omg. And Cloud in KHI was...well, the first thing I thought about him was "WTF IS HE WEARING" and then I had to fight him i think? I might be mixing this up with CoM asdfjkl and gah. Cloud what happened to all of your character development omg. But by KHII he's all better. Somewhat. and omg Aerith <3 I love her, she's amazing XD and then there's squall leon and he's awesome as usual and gah I can't express all my feelings for the FF characters or this will be my longest post ever and that is saying something
BUT. My favorite FF character in KH and my favorite FF character overall is ZACK SKDLGHSDL:KFHSDGLKFJSLDKHFKSDHG:LKSDFJHSDLKFHSKL:GHSD:KFJSDK I HAVE ALMOST AS MANY FEELS FOR ZACK AS I DO FOR VEN OKAY I just asdfjkl the only game I've bawled more over than BbS is Crisis Core because
spoiler: Crisis Core
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THAT ENDING WORST ENDING TO ANY GAME EVER SLKDHFSD:KLFSDHGKFJASLKD:HDGSDKFJ I WAS BAWLING OKAY THEY SHOT HIM IN COLD BLOOD AND ONE OF THEM STOOD OVER HIM AND SHOT HIM IN THE HEAD SLKDFJSDK
God. So there are my shortened because this is going to be a loooooong post anyway feelings about Zaaaaaack. <3
I usually feel like the only person who doesn't typically like the FF characters in KH because they're only ever used as plot devices. Only one done well was Zack in BBS. (Although Aerith's had her moments--I think I just say that because I like her though. u_u;;) Oh, and the Moogles are great.
Oh, that area's pretty tough, I think. Especially the boss. :(
I don't think you can use old HDDs with new Xboxes. ;_; That suuucks.
ZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK OHGOD DON'T GET ME STARTED AGAIN ASDFJKL AND AERITHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OMG SKLFHSD:KLFJSDKGH:DLKFJSDKGDJF ZACKXAERITH OTP
I wish I could play FFXIII. lol Saku doesn't own a xbox nor a ps3 so she is inherently fail
spoiler: BBS, 3D
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Eh, it wouldn't have happened precisely that way but MX obviously wouldn't have just given up if BBS didn't pan out the way he wanted. <_< He just would have found someone else to try the X-blade stuff with.
I think KH3D confirmed that Sora doesn't actually own a Keyblade, he just uses Ven's. XD;
I seem to recall Vanitas saying they could use Aqua as a back-up plan. am i the only one who wants Vanitas to get lost somewhere and be promptly mauled by wild dogs asdfjkl. but the problem would be finding someone with a heart of pure darkness. Idk, would Vanitas still live if Ven died? I really hope that he would die omg but I don't want Ven to die either asdfjkl.
...wait a minute. waaaaaaaaait a minute. There is a obvious dilemma here. so when Ven wakes up, does that mean Sora won't be able to use the Keyblade anymore? ;____;
spoiler: 3D
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I can associate "Lea" just fine with BBS!Lea but when he's just Axel minus the face tattoos... nope. XD; It might help if he loses the Organization jacket but I'm not sure.
Yeah, I don't think they ever say Rikku but her name is in the journal, I guess. But she and Riku are practically twins in looks and personality anyway, so, I guess that's why they never outright say her name. It would be sooo confusing, you'd never be able to tell them apart. :( :(
That thing is pretty useful though. It protects the heart from darkness, doesn't it? So I doubt he'll ditch the thing. Then again, I thought he'd never ditch his chakrams, but apparently he's going to replace them with his keyblade. omg THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT THREW ME FOR A LOOP OMG. I was like "whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?" like Sora and Riku and everyone else omg XD
And besides I think it's pronounced differently in japanese. I KNOW THEY'RE EXACTLY THE SAME OMG didn't you know rikku got possessed by xehanort once? IT'S TRUE TOTALLY LEGIT. :/ really we're not all idiots asdfjkl
spoiler: BBS
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AT LEAST HE DIDN'T AGREE TO WORK FOR HER. TERRA, LOOKIN' AT YOU AGAIN. (I mean, I guess at least when Terra spoke to her, she was a queen but still. SAME PERSONALITY.)
...TERRA SWEETIE IT IS GETTING MORE DIFFICULT TO DEFEND YOU. well let's see. I don't think Terra was actually going to kill Snow White but I don't know why he went to find her in the first place then. something about MX and princesses and light? Idk it's been far too long since I've played BbS omg
.__. It's true. Marluxia is super creepy. There is no getting around that, haha. though i get creepy points too because I actually ship Marluxia/Namine. Although now I have a much better otp for her so that's good.
so so so he would like cuddle with it at night and then during the day he would completely neglect it omg ;; kasdhg;dslkfjklsdhfkjgka your drawings are the best drawings asdfjkl
not at all! I only mentioned the yaoi thing because it's the only reason I can think of that I thought girls in fandoms were ~IN THE WAY~ and that's just such a dumb reason for disliking characters. xD; My KH OTP (Marluxia/Axel whee) is stil m/m so I can't very well judge hahaha. It disappoints me how most of the KH girls are treated in canon since they're all great characters and they have so much potential but they rarely get to do anything so everyone just hates on them. And I can understand that, I just wish they could DO more. ;_; It's why I like Aqua so much. Instead of being the damsel or just messing around with things when she wasn't supposed to, she was the ONLY SUPER CAPABLE ONE in her trio. <3 Larxene is a crazy ***** and I love her for it but she is not a people person and she actually isn't all that capable but at least she never once lies about which side she's on, so she's one of the few KH characters who you can see right through. That's kind of refreshing. XD
O-okay, because I know some of the fandom jumps on the yaoi fangirls for supposedly "making the fanbase look insane" but I'm not a crazy yaoi fangirl I swear ;; and I think that's the main reason why everyone hates on the KH girls, they just haven't done anything. yet. EXCEPT FOR AQUA ASDFJKL SWEETHEART <3 as I've previously mentioned, Larxene scares me asdfjkl. and really? She isn't a people person? NOOOOOO. I'd never have guessed! XD well at least she isn't like xehanort, where you have no idea what he's doing and then juuuuuust when you think you've got him figured out, he jumps on you and
spoilers: BbS
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shatters your heart and makes your darkness become a person omg
spoiler:BBS
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Yeah, maybe it is just revenge on Terra. And petty revenge on MX for being indirectly responsible for the loss of Braig's eye. XD; Though now you've reminded me that Braig possibly knows where Aqua is, too. So he might have ALL THE ANSWERS and is just biding his time with them until the information helps him. Hmm.
you know how I am though, always having to insert the BbS trio into everything so maybe he has a different reason :/ omg he better not touch either aqua or especially ven or I will murder him viciously omg. I mean at least Aqua can defend herself, Ven is still in a lost-heart coma and can't defend himself at all. lol ven is the damsel in distress XD The point still stands that even if he knows where Ven is, there's no way he can get to him. So I think we're okay there but idk maybe they'll just try to destroy CO with Ven in it. I wouldn't put it past MX, the prick.
spoilers: Days, 3D, BBS
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Omg I was reading through the secret journals from Days last night and came to the conclusion that Marluxia is really dumb but that's not why I'm bringing this up, I just had to complain about it >:| and awww Axel's tranformation over the course of the game. ;_; The beginning he's like "ugggh stuck babysitting the boring comatose kid" then "haha i've been eating ice cream with comatose kid. he's kinda dumb but it's endearing" then "so i finally came back from C.O. and everyone's looking at me funny and why is Roxas friends with Xion????" then "Oh, I get why he's friends with Xion. She's pretty okay" then "OMG Xion's a puppet? Does this mean I'm not friends with her?" then "I don't care what Saix says. Xion is my friend." then "Xion found out and she ran away. I hope she comes to her senses because I don't wanna be sent to take her out." then "gdi now Roxas is mad at me too but I can't tell him why I had to attack Xion *flail*" then ";_; roxas left today." And somewhere in there he gives Roxas advice for dealing with girls and his journal entry is just like "I think it went right over his head. Knowing them, they're fighting about something dumb anyway." lmaooo But aww Axel. :(
I think he and Saix just drifted. They couldn't joke around or anything, which I imagine bothered Axel because he likes to make light of a lot of things (and Isa, in BBS anyway, seemed to joke around too). Saix never saw Xion as anything but a figure with [its] hood up all the time, so he thought Axel was just crazy. He wasn't making any bonds with people so he never got a heart remade (or whatever the heck happens) and he just didn't understand why Axel was acting as if he was friends with Roxas & Xion. Especially Xion. But yeah, the novels always reveal a little more information than the games in some places and in between Axel's appearance in Radiant Garden (where Saix shows up a moment later and he bolts) and when he sacrifices himself for you, there's a scene where Axel's talking to Namine after Saix nearly takes him out and she helps fix him up, he opens the portal for her to TWTNW so she can save Kairi, and then he goes to find Sora. Or something like that--I don't remember the exact details since I don't own this book and I don't even remember when/where I would've read the translation. XD; (I love the novels though, since they also reveal that the Grey Room [where you get your missions and stuff in Days] is actually named "The Garden of Intertwining Light and Darkness" which is just SUCH A XEMNAS NAME for a room. Must drive the rest of the Organization crazy whenever he mentions the name of a room in the castle because they're all so pretentious and long and confusing. Xemnas, I'm sorry. I can't take you seriously.)
I meant Isa thinks Lea/Axel/whatever is a douche. :( I mean, his last thoughts were probably something like "it's totally Axel's fault that I never got my heart back" and next thing he knows, he's waking up on the floor somewhere with a heart so maybe he got the same thoughts and got the pain/hurt that would come with it and went "NOPE, NOT WORTH IT" and joined Xehanort again or something. ;_;
I have to hit "preview" like a million times before I'm sure I've gotten all of them every time. XD
hun are you just now figuring that out XD jkjk. So basically, Axel's journal entry on Roxas and girls is this
So I was thinking about this the other day. Saix and most of the Organization see Xion with her hood up, right? So if her hood were to be removed in front of them, from their point of view...what would they see? Black-haired Kairi? Roxas? Ven? Nothing? i just asdfjkl.
S-so nobodies get new hearts or they grow new ones or they get their old ones back? Idk, when that cutscene revealed the fact that Nobodies can in fact have hearts I started freaking out and stopped paying attention. because come on it's xemnas talking about it anyway am i right XD
Oooookay. I think that was also in the manga yes I actually read the manga I'm sorry okay D; but I wasn't sure if it was considered canon.
and asdfjkl that is totes a xemnas name asdfjklNo one on earth takes Xemnas seriously anymore, don't worry about it hun.
spoiler: 3D, BBS
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Well, I was thinking more that he didn't recruit Aqua or anything, but he was kind of the cause for her being sealed away in the Darkness, so she can't be used as a Light so long as she's out of the picture. But maybe the cutscene was more "you can't use [this person] because I have [them] on MY side" rather than just "you can't use [this person] because [they] are not here". I'll have to go watch that scene again. I guess the second one wouldn't make much sense or else he'd talk about Ven that way too and there'd be an extra number added onto his tally. :s But unless he could merge Ven and Vanitas back together, I don't think it would be physically possible for Ven to be one of the 13 Darknesses so people just don't know what they're talking about. XD Besides, even if he could merge them, why bother when Vanitas is pure Darkness as it is??
I think that was what was being implied. That so and so can't be a Light because I have them, therefore so and so will be a Darkness. But I'm also pretty sure that Yen Sid said that the Seven Lights were chosen naturally, so you can't just substitute someone in; if Terra is one of the Lights, then supposedly they can't replace him and they're just going to be short one light. I think this is what's up. I think so okay ;; god this game is so confusing asdfjkl.
spoiler: BBS
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THIS. THIS RIGHT HERE. It is adorable. I can just imagine little!Riku rolling his eyes and putting up with the greeting-Ven-everyday stuff. XD; And then like 6 years later, still doing it.
I WAS DYING AT THE FIRST OCCURRENCE OF THE WORD "VENVEN". and well of course he would put up with it or Sora would cry and no one likes it when Sora cries ;;
spoiler: BBS
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Wow I didn't even remember that. I think that's better than the Japanese one, actually. :O
Mega Flare was in KH2? XD I did not even know this, lmao. Don't think I ever used it. My favourite spell in BBS that wasn't boring was Magnet Square. *u* Was good for crowd control and usually owned bosses who were too dumb to jump around it. Boring attacks would be Magnega + Thundaga. Magnega owned pretty much anything and it was a powerful enough spell that even Terra could use it to kill things. I felt really lame by the end of all my files since I'd just go to Neverland and use it over and over again to max out my abilities and commands. XD; Ignite was pretty hax too since you can actually set Vanitas on fire in most of his fights and he just slowly loses health while you avoid him. Made him SO easy at the end of Terra's game wow. (And my strategy with Aqua against that giant Heartless was just to set it on fire... though I kind of had to be cheap since it's hard to experiment with other things when you're level one... 8D;) Also Wingblade was waaaay better than Aqua or Terra's final styles. :( The Darkness one makes me grr because it's so annoying when it's used against me and it's hard to control and ugggh I hate Ghost Drive. It slows you down slightly and it's really disorienting to fight with because the noise it makes when you do anything (especially dodge!) is horrible and the finisher takes so long and concentrates on just the one spot so if you miss or kill the thing before the finisher ends, it's a waste of time. ;_; But Ven's is just plain fun. XD Pulled that out of strikethroughs and made it a paragraph because YAY RAMBLING ABOUT BBS BATTLE MECHANICS and then making it easier to read.
spoilers: BbS
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asdfjkl i know. I didn't remember it either till I watched the Sora vs Lingering Sentiment video and i heard that scream and I was like "WTF DID THAT COME FROM?" and yeah fantastic okay.
I think it was in KHII. I know it was in some game before BbS and that it got nerfed in BbS. omg omg every time I fought Vanitas I would set him on fire because I HATE VANITAS, OKAY and it was so fun omg. Love love loveBbS battle mechanics, it's easily the best in the series as far as that goes <3 omg omg i know right wasn't Ghost Drive the one where you teleported everywhere? and god Dark Impulse I DON'T LIKE YOU took me foreverrrrrr to kill Terranort because of you asdfjkl. Wingblade definitely wins asdfjkl.
spoiler: 3D, BBS
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Terranort always confused me since he SEEMS to totally have amnesia, but he also pushes all the apprentices into studying the heart and, eventually, getting rid of them. In all his appearances, he just never really gave me the same vibe that MX ever did. But then the first scene of 3D is Terranort talking to Braig and then taking his heart with MX's Keyblade? So MX must be in control at that point or else Terranort wouldn't be able to use the Keyblade. :s But then, is MX in control now? I feel like Terranort can't be one of the hooded figures in 3D because they wouldn't pass up a chance to show him off but I don't know what he'd be up to otherwise. Unless Terra came back and has no idea where he is or where he's supposed to go/how to get off whatever world he's on. (His Keyblade and Armour are still back at the Keyblade Graveyard. Maybe he is just stranded somewhere. XD)
Honestly, I liked it better when I assumed Terranort always had amnesia since it meant Xemnas and Ansem had amnesia which meant the whole time Xemnas was searching for a Keyblade user, Xigbar was sitting there pointedly not telling him that Xemnas could use a Keyblade himself. But 3D kind of ruined that, aww.
I don't really get why it was important that Sora and Riku become Keyblade Masters RIGHT THIS MINUTE anyway. Couldn't it have waited until the threat was gone? I know Aqua learnt some important things only after becoming a Master but is there anything like that that Riku needs to know now? :/
Sora should wait and retake his Mark of Mastery when Ven takes it. The army of Soras should all take it at the same time.
Or maybe that first scene in KH3D is when all his memories came back. Idk, has it ever been officially stated that Apprentice Xehanort was in fact faking amnesia?
See, that's what I thought too. I was looking at all the Nortys and I thought "...wait a minute. Where's Terranort?" I thought that maybe he might have been sent somewhere else. Like he's Organization Norteen's secret weapon, of sorts, and maybe they're like hiding him? OR MAYBE THEY SENT HIM TO KILL THE LINGERING SENTIMENT OMG. well can you kill that thing though? I think it's just Terra's mind and memories and HATRED so idk how you would go about killing it. :/
spoiler: BBS, Coded
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I only ever saw that once and it was on Youtube so I was sort of trying not to watch it since I was so ashamed that I didn't earn it myself. (I never once watched the secret movie of KH2FM [the trailer for BBS] until a few days before the game came out since I hadn't beaten Terra's Armour yet so Youtubing an ending was kind of a big deal for me. xD) But yeah, I guess that does make sense but... wtf. I don't get how they can be "close" to finding Ven's heart (or his body for that matter). o_O What are they using to sense/find it? Does that mean they theorize that it's in Sora but just can't confirm it? I don't get iiiit. T_T; It might make more sense if they mean his body but I don't see how they could be any closer to finding that, really.
xD; I have a crack RP based on the Organization with some of my high school friends and we brought TAV back into it. Ven met Axel and was all "OMG LEA HI I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU IN SO LONG :DDD" and Axel was like "uhh I don't even know you" and Ven was just like "I THOUGHT WE WERE FRIENDS. HOW CAN YOU NOT REMEMBER ME. YOU CAN'T CALL ME VEN ANYMORE". I will be disappointed if that doesn't happen in canon. (Although hopefully Ven won't be in a princess dress in the canon version. I did say it was a crack RP.) I think Donald and Goofy should still remember him at least somewhat. They met him twice, I think. Ven goes to talk to Yen Sid once... doesn't he? I mean, he has to D-Link with them sometime before the end of the game but I don't remember exactly when that is. I think it's right before Ven goes back to LoD so Eraqus can be a jerk? Anyway, they meet him then and become his friends (although I guess that's not really saying much because Ven becomes friends with everyone that he's happened to know for 5 minutes). But. Then after the confrontation in Keyblade Graveyard, Aqua and Ven are brought back to Yen Sid's tower. I don't understand how Ven wouldn't have made an impression then. :/ They would've watched him sleeping and watched Aqua leave with him. How can they not remember him after something like that? They would've been right there for any discussion Yen Sid & Mickey had while Aqua and Ven were unconcious AND probably and Master-to-Master conversations that Aqua had with Yen Sid before she left. And you'd think they would tell Sora about "that other Keyblade wielder" they met at least once on their journeys. Maybe they did and Sora didn't know what to do with the information, then forgot about it in COM, and then Namine missed that chain when she was putting him back together lmao. Only explanation? ;_;
um um um. I think they're just throwing guesses out there because unless Mickey and/or Yen Sid turned into the Kool-Aid man and busted through CO, they're not any closer to finding Ven's body. And maybe for his heart...um...Mickey noticed how similar Sora and Ven are? They have a lot of the same mannerisms, they're both friendship freaks, etc...idk it just seems like a lot of wild guessing to me.
XDDDDDDD I JUST LOVE THAT IN YOUR HEADCANON WHENEVER VEN'S ANGRY WITH SOMEONE HE SAYS "YOU CAN'T CALL ME VEN ANYMORE" AND I IMAGINE HIM SAYING THIS WITH HIS ~DEATH GLARE OMG~ KAFJ;SDLKFDHLKJKJGDKL SWEETHEARTwhat what what. ven totes needs to be in the princess dress because he is a princess am i right
Yes, that's right before the big fight scene at LoD and I am attempting to refrain from ranting about Eraqus because I've already done it in VMs, asdfjkl. And seriously Donald and Goofy you both are being stupid don't you remember the sleeping boy who looks exactly like roxas and the nice lady with blue hair asdfjkl. omg TOTES HEADCANON NAMI YOU DONE SCREWED UP LOL'ING FOREVER
spoiler: BBS
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noooo ven! ;_; W-well even if Xigbar knows where he is, he doesn't know how to get to him so. It should be okay.
;______________; but you know this series is known for throwing curveballs lol the entirety of KH3D so...I mean, even if Xigbar/Braig doesn't know where he is, Xehanort's awfully clever and he might figure out some way to locate Ven. look I don't want this to happen either but it might since Xehanort is a complete monster omg asdfjkl
spoiler: well, I meant general series spoilers. wait, are we conversing in these too? how do we even manage???
I have giggle fits whenever he appears on screen, you don't understand. He's all serious about everything and he's trying to talk about how he's taking over the worlds and obtaining Kingdom Hearts and using people all over the place and ruining everything and I'm just laughing uncontrollably the whole time. :( Haha, in the very first cutscene of Days, it's pretty much just him giving a speech about Roxas (or is it Xion? Whatever, same speech). It sort of pans around at all the Organization members and Demyx is soooo falling asleep during it. XD; They all totally know that they can tune him out the whole time and the only thing they'll miss is "KINGDOM HEAAAAARTS".
I shouldn't have, but I wasn't very well going to let the game sit there for a week. :( (It took me a few days, but I did eventually turn the 3D off and I was okay from then on, at least. Well, for physically playing, anyway. Nothing helped understand half those cutscenes. [This is probably why we talk about things from 3D and I'm just like "wait what?" XD])
asdfjkl. He just gives this great booming speeches and the only thing anyone takes away from them is "KINGDOM HEAAAAARRRRRRTSSSS". Bless him. no wait don't bless him no no noI don't like xemnas and I think that was Xion, I'm not sure. been forever since I've played Days omg
Well, you at the very least should've left the 3D off. We wouldn't want you to get sick over a video game! -hugs- Hun, I didn't understand the majority of those cutscenes and I'm not even on anything asdfjkl. yeah that's probably why asdfjkl. Do you even remember the whole game XD
Still debating splitting this club, hmm. 8/ But where would the other Square-Enix stuff go?? I mean it's pretty much KH/FF central but TWEWY comes up sometimes. And maybe someone, somewhere will eventually want to talk about Dragon Quest idk (lol). And "Square-Enix Except For KH Club" is pretty lame. XD;
...now I feel bad for turning the entire club into ASDFJKL KINGDOM HEARTS. DX butbutbut I really don't know that much about FF I'm so sorry you guys ;___;
I usually feel like the only person who doesn't typically like the FF characters in KH because they're only ever used as plot devices. Only one done well was Zack in BBS. (Although Aerith's had her moments--I think I just say that because I like her though. u_u;;) Oh, and the Moogles are great.
I've only played KH1 and some of KH2 but that's exactly how I found the FF characters (and Disney actually) were used. Odd plot devices that were used as just extended cameos.
I know now there are a lot more original characters, but yeah I like my FF/Disney worlds separate ><.
Also, Destiny Demon could the opening post be changed to either make open questions or include a FF question? I had to rewrite these for my application.
Talking about these.
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What is your favourite series made by Square-Enix?
Who is your favourite Kingdom Hearts character?
What console(s) do you hope Kingdom Hearts III will be on?
What two Keyblades would you double wield?
What would you name the Keyblade of Master Xehanort himself?
What new Disney worlds do you hope will be introduced in KH3D?
What is your favourite Kingdom Hearts game and why?
If you could play as any KH villain (or, in some cases, allies), who would it be?
@SwiftSign: Yeah I think if the SE club isn't broken into its components, having more general topics would do it good. Or at least a specific franchise topic should have its own appropriate counterparts.
It's alright Sakura! Don't feel bad, we all love Ven and if we love a specific thing this much, I'm sure we'd all be willing to write amazing walls of text about it. :D
Well, Sephiroth in the first KH threw me for a loop. Even though I think he was FM only and as such I probably saw this on youtube He's creepy, he just shows up out of nowhere and doesn't talk or anything, he just fights omg. And Cloud in KHI was...well, the first thing I thought about him was "WTF IS HE WEARING" and then I had to fight him i think? I might be mixing this up with CoM asdfjkl and gah. Cloud what happened to all of your character development omg. But by KHII he's all better. Somewhat. and omg Aerith <3 I love her, she's amazing XD and then there's squall leon and he's awesome as usual and gah I can't express all my feelings for the FF characters or this will be my longest post ever and that is saying something
BUT. My favorite FF character in KH and my favorite FF character overall is ZACK SKDLGHSDL:KFHSDGLKFJSLDKHFKSDHG:LKSDFJHSDLKFHSKL:GHSD:KFJSDK I HAVE ALMOST AS MANY FEELS FOR ZACK AS I DO FOR VEN OKAY I just asdfjkl the only game I've bawled more over than BbS is Crisis Core because
spoiler: Crisis Core
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THAT ENDING WORST ENDING TO ANY GAME EVER SLKDHFSD:KLFSDHGKFJASLKD:HDGSDKFJ I WAS BAWLING OKAY THEY SHOT HIM IN COLD BLOOD AND ONE OF THEM STOOD OVER HIM AND SHOT HIM IN THE HEAD SLKDFJSDK
God. So there are my shortened because this is going to be a loooooong post anyway feelings about Zaaaaaack. <3
ZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK OHGOD DON'T GET ME STARTED AGAIN ASDFJKL AND AERITHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OMG SKLFHSD:KLFJSDKGH:DLKFJSDKGDJF ZACKXAERITH OTP
Sephiroth's actually also in the original KH. But yes he is creepy in the first one, even though I didn't like his voice actor there. And you do have to fight Cloud even though the outcome was pretty much the same, win or lose. I was already familiar with FFVII and Vincent Valentine back then so I knew the clothes referred to him (and I think it looks cool for him to be in this garb). But yeah KH, and even Dissidia, did throw away his character development. I thought he was the same in KHII, haha. Speaking of KHII, I was annoyed that Aerith sounded awful in it. I absolutely adore Aerith and she deserved a better voice actress than that (she did get one eventually, see Crisis Core). Leon was also pretty cool even though I never finished VIII, and I can say whatever character development he got in VIII, it certainly showed in the KH series since he seems less glum and more friendly.
Zack is indeed awesome. Crisis Core will never be the same if he weren't there.
And Aerith x Zack!
spoiler: Crisis Core
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It was not the worst ending. I hated to see Zack die, oh I really did. ;-; I really wish he didn't but that's how FFVII went with things so I just dealt with it. It was still touching and almost fitting, the scenes before and during his death well-executed and dramatic. I almost couldn't watch when they got to that part, though!
We only recently got our XBOX 360 fixed, too, and I never got to play FFXIII before it became non-functional. At least I get to play it soon. Hope you somehow get to play FFXIII eventually, Sakura.
I seem to recall Vanitas saying they could use Aqua as a back-up plan. am i the only one who wants Vanitas to get lost somewhere and be promptly mauled by wild dogs asdfjkl. but the problem would be finding someone with a heart of pure darkness. Idk, would Vanitas still live if Ven died? I really hope that he would die omg but I don't want Ven to die either asdfjkl.
...wait a minute. waaaaaaaaait a minute. There is a obvious dilemma here. so when Ven wakes up, does that mean Sora won't be able to use the Keyblade anymore? ;____;
Yeah I think he did tell Aqua it never hurted to have her as a back-up. You're probably not alone there, but I personally like Vanitas. Maybe they'll split Aqua into two as well? Or use Larxene's somebody. I think he wouldn't die if Ven did, they pretty much have their own entities and hearts now.
Noooo I will not let that happen! Sora! Get your own Keyblade right now. D; Or at least if they do rid him, hopefully he only loses it momentarily and eventually gets his own. Unless my theory stands that the Keyblades Sora and Ven are using are different (Sora's is the Realm of Light's main Keyblade, he only while Ven's is just one of the Keyblades), if so then the only thing to worry about is if Sora on his own can eventually hold the Keyblade since Ven's no longer there to help him out.
That thing is pretty useful though. It protects the heart from darkness, doesn't it? So I doubt he'll ditch the thing. Then again, I thought he'd never ditch his chakrams, but apparently he's going to replace them with his keyblade. omg THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT THREW ME FOR A LOOP OMG. I was like "whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?" like Sora and Riku and everyone else omg XD
And besides I think it's pronounced differently in japanese. I KNOW THEY'RE EXACTLY THE SAME OMG didn't you know rikku got possessed by xehanort once? IT'S TRUE TOTALLY LEGIT. :/ really we're not all idiots asdfjkl
I always thought the coat did nothing, but if it does then I guess that's why Mickey and Riku were using it or something. And the Lea getting a Keyblade thing surprised me too, but then it was apparently hinted in the trailers anyway and I failed to sense it at all, haha.
For a moment there I was unable to sense the sarcasm between you two. XD
...TERRA SWEETIE IT IS GETTING MORE DIFFICULT TO DEFEND YOU. well let's see. I don't think Terra was actually going to kill Snow White but I don't know why he went to find her in the first place then. something about MX and princesses and light? Idk it's been far too long since I've played BbS omg
I actually thought Terra was misinformed if I remember correctly. He didn't realize how much light this Snow White has and he decided to trash the plan to kill her, so yeah. 'Sides, he's actually got an okay reason to do it, he wanted info on Master Xehanort. Wait that wasn't too good of a reason.
you know how I am though, always having to insert the BbS trio into everything so maybe he has a different reason :/ omg he better not touch either aqua or especially ven or I will murder him viciously omg. I mean at least Aqua can defend herself, Ven is still in a lost-heart coma and can't defend himself at all. lol ven is the damsel in distress XD The point still stands that even if he knows where Ven is, there's no way he can get to him. So I think we're okay there but idk maybe they'll just try to destroy CO with Ven in it. I wouldn't put it past MX, the prick.
Whoa I never realized how Braig can actually be a key person in the next few scenes regarding TAV. Especially with that one KHIIFM cutscene as Xigbar mentioning the talking to oneself habits of Xemnas. I think he was curious enough to actually know a lot during his time as Braig and Xigbar. But yeah, it is convenient only Aqua knows where Ven is. And they can never do something like that to CO, I won't allow it! D:
hun are you just now figuring that out XD jkjk. So basically, Axel's journal entry on Roxas and girls is this
So I was thinking about this the other day. Saix and most of the Organization see Xion with her hood up, right? So if her hood were to be removed in front of them, from their point of view...what would they see? Black-haired Kairi? Roxas? Ven? Nothing? i just asdfjkl.
S-so nobodies get new hearts or they grow new ones or they get their old ones back? Idk, when that cutscene revealed the fact that Nobodies can in fact have hearts I started freaking out and stopped paying attention. because come on it's xemnas talking about it anyway am i right XD
Oooookay. I think that was also in the manga yes I actually read the manga I'm sorry okay D; but I wasn't sure if it was considered canon.
and asdfjkl that is totes a xemnas name asdfjklNo one on earth takes Xemnas seriously anymore, don't worry about it hun.
Hahaha that picture! But yes Days made me pity Axel much more than how the cutscenes depicted him. It's actually his thoughts there, and to see him even as a Nobody get that much development, whoa. Oh yeah that reminds me, THIS CUTSCENE. Most emotion in a single cutscene ever. Especially the last few rage/sadness lines from Axel. So much respect for him there.
I think it's going to be an inception scene, haha. Either they can't take off the hood, or if they do they see another hood, and then another. Makes more sense though if they see Roxas/Ven's face, but I guess black-haired Kairi would be less mindblowing.
I don't get the KH3D revelations either. Just goes to show how Xemnas never makes any sense. But then wasn't it Xigbar explaining?
I think that was what was being implied. That so and so can't be a Light because I have them, therefore so and so will be a Darkness. But I'm also pretty sure that Yen Sid said that the Seven Lights were chosen naturally, so you can't just substitute someone in; if Terra is one of the Lights, then supposedly they can't replace him and they're just going to be short one light. I think this is what's up. I think so okay ;; god this game is so confusing asdfjkl.
I personally think the Seven Lights would be Sora, Riku, Mickey, Ventus, Aqua, Lea and Kairi. Or at least initially. It'll probably turn into Sora, Riku, Mickey, Ventus, Aqua, Terra and Roxas/Kairi just like in the KH3D opening.
Or maybe that first scene in KH3D is when all his memories came back. Idk, has it ever been officially stated that Apprentice Xehanort was in fact faking amnesia?
See, that's what I thought too. I was looking at all the Nortys and I thought "...wait a minute. Where's Terranort?" I thought that maybe he might have been sent somewhere else. Like he's Organization Norteen's secret weapon, of sorts, and maybe they're like hiding him? OR MAYBE THEY SENT HIM TO KILL THE LINGERING SENTIMENT OMG. well can you kill that thing though? I think it's just Terra's mind and memories and HATRED so idk how you would go about killing it. :/
I think he was faking it. If not then just had them back with time travel. :D? D:!
Yeah I was wondering why he wasn't there. I think some of the thirteen darknesses involve the other forms that MX took during the Keyblade War and around that time. Hopefully, because I want more original characters for antagonists, not just rehashed old ones.
um um um. I think they're just throwing guesses out there because unless Mickey and/or Yen Sid turned into the Kool-Aid man and busted through CO, they're not any closer to finding Ven's body. And maybe for his heart...um...Mickey noticed how similar Sora and Ven are? They have a lot of the same mannerisms, they're both friendship freaks, etc...idk it just seems like a lot of wild guessing to me.
XDDDDDDD I JUST LOVE THAT IN YOUR HEADCANON WHENEVER VEN'S ANGRY WITH SOMEONE HE SAYS "YOU CAN'T CALL ME VEN ANYMORE" AND I IMAGINE HIM SAYING THIS WITH HIS ~DEATH GLARE OMG~ KAFJ;SDLKFDHLKJKJGDKL SWEETHEARTwhat what what. ven totes needs to be in the princess dress because he is a princess am i right
Yes, that's right before the big fight scene at LoD and I am attempting to refrain from ranting about Eraqus because I've already done it in VMs, asdfjkl. And seriously Donald and Goofy you both are being stupid don't you remember the sleeping boy who looks exactly like roxas and the nice lady with blue hair asdfjkl. omg TOTES HEADCANON NAMI YOU DONE SCREWED UP LOL'ING FOREVER
;______________; but you know this series is known for throwing curveballs lol the entirety of KH3D so...I mean, even if Xigbar/Braig doesn't know where he is, Xehanort's awfully clever and he might figure out some way to locate Ven. look I don't want this to happen either but it might since Xehanort is a complete monster omg asdfjkl
asdfjkl. He just gives this great booming speeches and the only thing anyone takes away from them is "KINGDOM HEAAAAARRRRRRTSSSS". Bless him. no wait don't bless him no no noI don't like xemnas and I think that was Xion, I'm not sure. been forever since I've played Days omg
Yeah I love Xemnas for that. Except he is pretty awful for eventually doing all the manipulation and stuff, especially for turning Xion against Roxas in that one touching fight which should have really acted as the actual final boss of Days. He's still the most tame 'Nort IMO.
It's alright Sakura! Don't feel bad, we all love Ven and if we love a specific thing this much, I'm sure we'd all be willing to write amazing walls of text about it. :D
I just feel bad about alienating all the Final Fantasy people omg. erm I could probably write walls of text about Crisis Core if that would make everyone happy ;__;
Sephiroth's actually also in the original KH. But yes he is creepy in the first one, even though I didn't like his voice actor there. And you do have to fight Cloud even though the outcome was pretty much the same, win or lose. I was already familiar with FFVII and Vincent Valentine back then so I knew the clothes referred to him (and I think it looks cool for him to be in this garb). But yeah KH, and even Dissidia, did throw away his character development. I thought he was the same in KHII, haha. Speaking of KHII, I was annoyed that Aerith sounded awful in it. I absolutely adore Aerith and she deserved a better voice actress than that (she did get one eventually, see Crisis Core). Leon was also pretty cool even though I never finished VIII, and I can say whatever character development he got in VIII, it certainly showed in the KH series since he seems less glum and more friendly.
Okay, well, I think I still must have seen this on youtube, because I don't remember doing this fight omg. And yeah, a couple of years after I played KHI I got a (used) copy of FFVII and saw Vincent and I was like "Oh. Right." I never did understand the giant wing, though. Pretty sure that's something that Vincent doesn't have? Idk? :/ he was still pretty mopey in KHII but not quite as much as KHI and Dissidia omg. zack needs to be in dissidia it would make me feel better omg. I never finished VIII either, lol. but I prefer KH!Leon over FFVIII!Leon/Squall, though.
asdfjkl i know. I don't think annnnnyone likes Aerith's voice in KHII. CrisisCore!Aerith-voice, however, is fantastic and spectacular and omg she is just too awesome okay
Zack is indeed awesome. Crisis Core will never be the same if he weren't there.
And Aerith x Zack!
spoiler: Crisis Core
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It was not the worst ending. I hated to see Zack die, oh I really did. ;-; I really wish he didn't but that's how FFVII went with things so I just dealt with it. It was still touching and almost fitting, the scenes before and during his death well-executed and dramatic. I almost couldn't watch when they got to that part, though!
ZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK <3 <3 <3 omg I have three otps between FF and KH and ZackxAerith is one of them asdfjkl. SO CUTE
spoiler: FFVII, Crisis Core
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I think you misunderstood me or perhaps I just wasn't clear in the first place D;, it was the worst ending as far as my feelings go asdfjkl. It hit me like a punch to the gut and it was just heartwrenching omg and I thought it was the cruelest way to kill off such a beloved character. barring, of course, Aerith's death by Sephiroth in FFVII. but even then the two might be tied ;____; but it was indeed incredibly well done and especially Cloud's scream at the end asdfjkl sweetheart
We only recently got our XBOX 360 fixed, too, and I never got to play FFXIII before it became non-functional. At least I get to play it soon. Hope you somehow get to play FFXIII eventually, Sakura.
I'll probably end up getting the PS3 because it's likely KHIII will be on it, if it ever comes out omg so I might get FFXIII and the sequel (?) to it I completely forget what it's called asdfjkl.
spoiler: BBS, KH3D
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Yeah I think he did tell Aqua it never hurted to have her as a back-up. You're probably not alone there, but I personally like Vanitas. Maybe they'll split Aqua into two as well? Or use Larxene's somebody. I think he wouldn't die if Ven did, they pretty much have their own entities and hearts now.
Noooo I will not let that happen! Sora! Get your own Keyblade right now. D; Or at least if they do rid him, hopefully he only loses it momentarily and eventually gets his own. Unless my theory stands that the Keyblades Sora and Ven are using are different (Sora's is the Realm of Light's main Keyblade, he only while Ven's is just one of the Keyblades), if so then the only thing to worry about is if Sora on his own can eventually hold the Keyblade since Ven's no longer there to help him out.
dying @ using larxene's somebody jsyk XD Well, my love for Ven sort of prevents me from having any sort of feelings besides rage toward Vanitas. First time I was playing BbS I was thinking "ohgod he's going to be another Riku Replica" and SUDDENLY EVIL SORA and I was like "LSKDHFSD:KLFDJGKDSFJDSGKSDF:JSKDGLHDFKJ WHAT
Well, I was thinking about at the end of KHII, at the part where Sora and Riku shoot a magical beam of yaoi shoot light out of the Kingdom Key through Xemnas, that Sora was holding the Keyblade at the same time as Riku, and Riku was actually, you know, chosen to wield a Keyblade, through the Rite of Succession, so maaaaaaaybe Sora got the ability to wield a Keyblade that's not Ven's through that? And I know that supposedly masters are the only ones who can do it, but technically Terra wasn't a master when he did it with Riku, so maybe this is how Sora's going to keep the Keyblade after Ven wakes up. Maybe. look I might just be rambling here asdfjkl
spoiler: KH3D
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I always thought the coat did nothing, but if it does then I guess that's why Mickey and Riku were using it or something. And the Lea getting a Keyblade thing surprised me too, but then it was apparently hinted in the trailers anyway and I failed to sense it at all, haha.
For a moment there I was unable to sense the sarcasm between you two. XD
The coat protects the wearer's heart from darkness. I think this was either in an interview or an Ultimania or possibly stated in-game, I really can't remember. And I think that the hinting was in the scenes where Lea was talking to Yen Sid or something, XD. Am I the only one who really doesn't like Lea's Keyblade? asdfjkl when I saw it the blade part sort of looked like a chicken to me and I died, okay
sorry hun sometimes I forget that it isn't just me and erica and there are actually other people in this club D;
spoiler: BBS
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I actually thought Terra was misinformed if I remember correctly. He didn't realize how much light this Snow White has and he decided to trash the plan to kill her, so yeah. 'Sides, he's actually got an okay reason to do it, he wanted info on Master Xehanort. Wait that wasn't too good of a reason.
I really don't think he was going to kill her in the first place, i certainly hope he wasn't because if he was terra sweetie stop making it so difficult for me to defend you asdfjkl I think he was looking for the princesses anyway because Aqua (i think?) said that MX was looking for them. and am i the only one who found it funny that the Queen pretty much jumps down Terra's throat screaming BRING ME HER HEART IN A BOX RAAAAAAAAAAARGH. graaah MX. I'm not even going to start on him because I've already let my feelings about him be known asdfjkl. i hate him okay
spoiler: BBS, KHIIFM
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Whoa I never realized how Braig can actually be a key person in the next few scenes regarding TAV. Especially with that one KHIIFM cutscene as Xigbar mentioning the talking to oneself habits of Xemnas. I think he was curious enough to actually know a lot during his time as Braig and Xigbar. But yeah, it is convenient only Aqua knows where Ven is. And they can never do something like that to CO, I won't allow it! D:
I know right? I think he's secretly running the show behind the scenes. It's entirely possible that he knows where both Ven and Aqua are and that is terrifying omg. but it's not like he could do anything to Aqua because she's aces am i right. Ven's the one I'm worried about here.
hun unless you have like a Xehanort Repellent or something similar I don't think you can stop them from doing what they want ;______;
spoiler: Days, KH3D
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Hahaha that picture! But yes Days made me pity Axel much more than how the cutscenes depicted him. It's actually his thoughts there, and to see him even as a Nobody get that much development, whoa. Oh yeah that reminds me, THIS CUTSCENE. Most emotion in a single cutscene ever. Especially the last few rage/sadness lines from Axel. So much respect for him there.
I think it's going to be an inception scene, haha. Either they can't take off the hood, or if they do they see another hood, and then another. Makes more sense though if they see Roxas/Ven's face, but I guess black-haired Kairi would be less mindblowing.
I don't get the KH3D revelations either. Just goes to show how Xemnas never makes any sense. But then wasn't it Xigbar explaining?
and you know it's totes something that Axel would say. asdfjkl. and YES THAT CUTSCENE OMG. That is fantastic and the voice actor did a splendid job omg and god THE OTHER PROMISE. it's just fantastic omg.
Xemnas. lol. nobody can take him seriously anymore asdfjkl. He comes on screen and I just start dying laughing. He's just so totes monotone omg
and he rambles on and on about the light in the darkness in the light in the darkness in the NOTHINGNESS and I'm just "brb dying of lol"
spoiler: 3D
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I personally think the Seven Lights would be Sora, Riku, Mickey, Ventus, Aqua, Lea and Kairi. Or at least initially. It'll probably turn into Sora, Riku, Mickey, Ventus, Aqua, Terra and Roxas/Kairi just like in the KH3D opening.
And again, I'm not sure if Yen Sid said that they were chosen naturally or not. If they are chosen naturally, then I think they'll just be short a Light. Idk it has been previously mentioned that this game hurts my brain omg
spoiler: KH3D, BBS
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I think he was faking it. If not then just had them back with time travel. :D? D:!
Yeah I was wondering why he wasn't there. I think some of the thirteen darknesses involve the other forms that MX took during the Keyblade War and around that time. Hopefully, because I want more original characters for antagonists, not just rehashed old ones.
I think it was confirmed he was faking it. Then wtf, why would he do that? Just to get in Ansem the Wise's good graces? asdfjkl IT'S PROBABLY ALL BRAIG'S FAULT OKAY.
That would be awesome. but I do want to see Terranort back just so Aqua/Ven can fight him and it can be all ~dramatic omg~ and ~sad music omg~ because you know they're going to do it. ;______;
spoiler: BBS, Coded
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I think they will eventually get Ven once they get Aqua. And no one would guess that Ven was in Sora except Sora, just like in the first game.
XD
Yeah they are jerks for not remembering Ven and Aqua. That or just have incredibad memory.
But the problem here is Sora doesn't know anything about the past, so he doesn't know about Ven. If he still doesn't know about the BbS trio by the time KHIII rolls around Lightning and I are going to jump Yen Sid and smack him around, asdfjkl. Because he most likely knew a lot of stuff that would've been helpful. He possibly knows about Terra getting body-snatched, He met all three of the BbS trio and he never said a word about them to anyone else asdfjkl. Gah Yen Sid.
I wouldn't put it past Goofy, XD. and Donald too, maybe.
spoiler: BBS
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Still counting on Nomura to give Aqua the great role of restoring Ven!
and I really hope she can do it without anything bad happening. I mean we all know that Aqua is totes aces, but idk if Xehanort is going to let Ven wake up that easily. xehanort you best step off of my baby asdfjkl.
spoiler: Days
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Yeah I love Xemnas for that. Except he is pretty awful for eventually doing all the manipulation and stuff, especially for turning Xion against Roxas in that one touching fight which should have really acted as the actual final boss of Days. He's still the most tame 'Nort IMO.
Xemnas is awfullllllll. I mean he is just terrible. Turning everyone against each other and of course being responsible for Xion's final boss forms which creeped me right the hell out. and yeah she really should've been the last boss of Days. Riku was too easy after that, omg. Well, Apprentice Xehanort usedto be the most tame Nort. Now he's a jerk too for faking his amnesia asdfjkl.
Again, don't worry about it! And I am quite grateful.
asdfjkl I will try to talk more about FF. I mean I have tons of feels for Crisis Core and FFVII but I thought maybe those were considered too mainstream and I'd get yelled at for talking about them. i have self-esteem issues okay ;___;
Hun, have you ever read this one? I linked this one to Lightning earlier but I'm not sure if you caught it or not. Spoilers for Birth by Sleep, btw.
Sakura you should just put all the wall of text for KH into a spoiler soo it doesnt take up the whole page >.< and I can more easily find things I can talk about!
I think Im going to watch Crisis Core tonight, It's animated isnt it? /hopes its that movie I read about and not a game.
My favourite thing that I've seen with Zack is when
Advent Children Complete Spoiler
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Is when Sephiroth is kicking the s--- out of Cloud and Zack comes in and is like, need a hand man? Don't forget bro, your my living legacy, youre not allowed to die.
That was awesome.
I thought the FF characters fit well into KH myself, but then again I hadnt really played FF before I played KH so I just seemed right to me but my god;
Trying to fight Sephiroth was probably the hardest thing ever, I could not beat him, he literally just pwned me way to hard and there was basically nothing I could do.. (Why is he so strong!)
Also Im not sure Zack's a spoiler to crisis core as it happens for FF7 anyways.. but..
Also I agree with SwiftSign on that some FF questions should be added to the sign up sheet. It would make it more fair on people because when I did it I was like.. I swear this was a SE club not a KH club.. am I mistaken.. ??
Sakura you should just put all the wall of text for KH into a spoiler soo it doesnt take up the whole page >.< and I can more easily find things I can talk about!
You're thinking of Last Order, dear. Crisis Core is in fact a game. Starring ZAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK. omg
My favourite thing that I've seen with Zack is when
Advent Children Complete Spoiler
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Is when Sephiroth is kicking the s--- out of Cloud and Zack comes in and is like, need a hand man? Don't forget bro, your my living legacy, youre not allowed to die.
omg omg i know and in the first AC I was so sad that they didn't put him in hardly anywhere and then in ACC there he was. I WAS SO HAPPY OKAY.
I thought the FF characters fit well into KH myself, but then again I hadnt really played FF before I played KH so I just seemed right to me but my god;
Trying to fight Sephiroth was probably the hardest thing ever, I could not beat him, he literally just pwned me way to hard and there was basically nothing I could do.. (Why is he so strong!)
Also Im not sure Zack's a spoiler to crisis core as it happens for FF7 anyways.. but..
Which Sephiroth? KHI!Sephiroth or KHII!Sephiroth? and I don't think everyone on earth has played FFVII and/or Crisis Core so I'm going to spoiler tag it anyway XD
Also I agree with SwiftSign on that some FF questions should be added to the sign up sheet. It would make it more fair on people because when I did it I was like.. I swear this was a SE club not a KH club.. am I mistaken.. ??
...CORNER OF DESPAIR OMG
Yes, I think that some FF questions need to be added, just to make it fair. asdfjkl why why why did i turn the entire club into my feelings for ven/bbs whyyyyyy
Yeah I think ACC was much better, everything was just so much cooler in it! My god, favourite thing ever!
Which Sephiroth? KHI!Sephiroth or KHII!Sephiroth? and I don't think everyone on earth has played FFVII and/or Crisis Core so I'm going to spoiler tag it anyway XD
Umm does it matter.. They were both impossible! well not really but really REALLY hard!!!
...CORNER OF DESPAIR OMG
Yes, I think that some FF questions need to be added, just to make it fair. asdfjkl why why why did i turn the entire club into my feelings for ven/bbs whyyyyyy
I just have all the feels for ACC. Maiiiinly because of all of the Zack scenes they added in. omg zack sweetheart <3 and um there's more blood. A lot of blood. asdfjkl that just makes it feel more real though.
Umm does it matter.. They were both impossible! well not really but really REALLY hard!!!
*Hugs Sakura* You're allowed to love things, we love how much joy it brings you.
Im never going to get a PSP ill just have to find me an emulatorrrrr.
Yeah so much more blood! Im going to have to re-watch it for sure.
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Best thing for me is that I hadnt play FF7 beforehand so watching Tifa fight that guy I was like.. :O shes quick! And when Zack and Aerith reject Cloud from the life stream xD. Ugh I love it so much!
Yeah I didnt lvl up enough to fight in him KH2 but in KH1 I could barely knock 3 health bars from him before he ripped me to shreds, he was impossible!!
Welcome CoraCora,
Just when you're joining clubs dont bother asking for permission youll always be welcome and accept, just jump straight into the discussion!
Happy B-day! yaaaaaaaaaay 3DS. I got mine like the instant that KH3D was announced, lol. But I also got it for the eventual Animal Crossing game and also Kid Icarus but all this is off topic omg
Yeah so much more blood! Im going to have to re-watch it for sure.
I was going "omg can he survive losing this much blood" and then I remembered that he's essentially a super soldier and then I lol'd.
Spoiler: Advent Children
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Best thing for me is that I hadnt play FF7 beforehand so watching Tifa fight that guy I was like.. shes quick! And when Zack and Aerith reject Cloud from the life stream xD. Ugh I love it so much!
omg omg and then in ACC she gets another fight scene and i was like "HELL YES TIFAAAAAAA" and Aerith's all "This one's too big to adopt." and Zack goes "Sorry buddy. I guess there's no place for you here." or something like that and I was dying, okay asdfjkl zaaaaaack and aerrrrrrrith ;____;
Yeah I didnt lvl up enough to fight in him KH2 but in KH1 I could barely knock 3 health bars from him before he ripped me to shreds, he was impossible!!
I think that I am in fact at the maximum level in KHII is it 99 or 100? Can't remember so it's totes easy to beat anything asdfjkl. as for KHI I really don't remember fighting Sephiroth and I think I would remember fighting Sephiroth am i right so I can't speak for that.
@CoraCora,
Please post relevant things when replying in Other Clubs, Try and make your post at least close to being on topic.
But yes the animation in ACC is amazing. Also do try and keep it clean if possible.
@Sakura
Yeah thats what they said! It was cute, Cloud was all like DAWWWW.
ACC Spoiler
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When they are fighting the big beast and everyones like we cant do it, but cloud can! And they all used awesome team work to get him up there to cut it up. That was awesome.
Oh rly? Well thats just cheating! He's still pretty tough though isnt he?
In KHI he's at the Colosseum and is just a beast from hell.
Also.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY Bro! I hope you enjoy your 3DS and get some mad enjoyment out of KH3D!!
@CoraCora,
Please post relevant things when replying in Other Clubs, Try and make your post at least close to being on topic.
But yes the animation in ACC is amazing. Also do try and keep it clean if possible.
@Sakura
Yeah thats what they said! It was cute, Cloud was all like DAWWWW.
ACC Spoiler
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When they are fighting the big beast and everyones like we cant do it, but cloud can! And they all used awesome team work to get him up there to cut it up. That was awesome.
Oh rly? Well thats just cheating! He's still pretty tough though isnt he?
In KHI he's at the Colosseum and is just a beast from hell.
Also.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY Bro! I hope you enjoy your 3DS and get some mad enjoyment out of KH3D!!
I was talking about the first one about being a male..?
The other one was better, definitely agree with the amazing animation, does remind me a lot of the cut scenes from the newer games though!
They should totally just take all the cut scenes from newer games and turn it into like a movie, they wouldnt even have to add all that much to make it tie together!!
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