The Wolf Among Us Mafia [Dawn Of The Ninth Day][GAME OVER!]

@alex - can I hear your thoughts on jd?

Jd hasn't made any scumreads yet if I'm not mistaken. He has only made townreads so far, but he did say he will post a read list later. Overall, he appears to be helping, so he hasn't caused any kind of alarm to me, so I've got him on the clear for the time being.
 
Are you really sussing me out for telling people to be careful about a mafia aligned player?

It's almost as if you want the mafia to direct the lynches. ??????
 
if Johnny was mafia-sided he wouldn't be going after lycan. Nuff said.

Bac. He role revealed and his role is literally mafia sided, what are you talking about?

You evidently know more than what you're saying, though. Care to share? Or would that be incriminating?
 
But he is still mafia sided and with the terrible plays the town has made, his biggest chance of winning is still with the mafia. Why should we trust him?

In the case he is indeed helping the town, he probably won't live long, lol.
 
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Since this is a party, I'll be nice for once.
I'm extending the phase another 24 hours so everyone has the chance to grab a present and send in their NA.
 
If y'all too stupid to have gotten a gift or your NA in by now, shame on ya asses.
 
But he is still mafia sided and with the terrible plays the town has made, his biggest chance of winning is still with the mafia. Why should we trust him?

Lol, how true.

And this night phase has already been twice as long as a normal one. I think it's at the point where the stragglers get shut out.
 
I hope you know what you're doing, Bac. You seem to know stuff, but are just making yourself look suss.
 
Honestly, I wouldn't be "wary" of people defending Lycan until Lycan flips scum. He may or may not. Keep tabs on who's for and against his demise, sure, but don't make it your main focus just yet. If Lycan flips mafia, then the Crooked Crew know who to target to shut up. If he flips inno, then you've just wasted your time and energy.

In that vein, we should have a fair idea of where to go during the next day phase, unless some other leads come along.
 
I wasn't even defending Lycan. My comments were sparked from alex and johnny's conversation. It was literally just about me thinking we should be careful about Johnny since no matter what people say, he is confirmed to be mafia aligned.

Sure, I didn't scum read Lycan, and I still stand on that position, but as far as I've gone towards defending Lycan was saying he acted the same way while being cop last game. Which isn't even defending him, it's me explaining my reasoning on not scum reading him.
 
I don't think he lied in his claim. If he was mafia he would claim a power role, so he would give his teammates a good target in case he got cc'd and lynched.

But I don't think we can trust him. Bigby can't talk about his investigation results and he is throwing suspicion on me literally because I'm trying to pick leads.

Well, Johnny, direct confrontation is what I do, because I believe that forcing reactions is a good way to get a read on someone.
Yes, I've been aggressive and loud, and I will insist on my scumread on jappo. From overly silent he went to overly friendly after I confronted him. What do you make of that?
I don't even know about Desi's reaction, but being still alive after liking Bac's post probably shows that Lycan is just his scumread and not something he overheard, cuz I don't think Nimsy would be that kind.
And lastly, judging by Naku's calm reaction to my quite aggressive comment, I'm inclined to believe that he is on the clear.

If you have a better idea to generate leads I'm all ears. If you can somehow kill Vivian and free Zehn of his ribbon I'll be glad to follow you, but until then, I'll follow my own way.


This this is clearly soft defending Lycan to throw suspicion away.

I don't know why omni is trying to corner johnny.
 
So I just want to say that if Alex is scum, he's put himself in a pretty weird spot if certain players among his town reads end up flipping scum. He's pretty low on my lynch order preference (in other words I think he's town).

Also want to elaborate more on my Klippy read - Klippy derped earlier when he thought that ribbons meant players would be fully silenced, I think if he were mafia he would be much more aware and know what they actually do. I realize he could have faked it, but his posts looked genuine imo, so I think he's not mafia

I want to see jd's reads, I can see who he's been town-leaning but I think the list will help me really see where he's at. I realize I haven't been super clear on my reads so far, I'm still putting my own reads together. I really want to go back and read D3 again (and maybe end of D2 as well), keep a few things in mind and then proceed from there


@Nightkrow - where do your reads stand right now?
@jappo - would like you to answer this as well please! Also what do you think about Kendy?

@everyone - actually it probably wouldn't hurt (it would be helpful) to get a clearer picture on where the rest of you stand too

also, thoughts/questions on the first half of this post?
 
Not really. And not really either. Why should we waste a lynch on you? All I was suggesting was being careful about you.

In any case, if you know they are mafia from your alignment and are telling us they are, wouldn't that be game-throwing? Because I really can't think about any other way you know they are mafia, since you have no NA. However, if you can convince me you do know by other means, I'll gladly believe what you're saying. Until then I'll believe your efforts are to misdirect the town.

@superjolt that's where I lean on Klippy rn as well
 
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I'm as much mafia as you are. I'm flycatcher and by the way you role revealed I thought you were lying and were instead Vivian or Jordie, panicked that you got caught when people started voting for you and tried to bail yourself out that way. You claimed to know for a fact who the mafia are, when I knew you didn't. That just reads mad scum to me, real scum. And Bac felt the same way since he defended you so vehemently. I was trying to corner you into making a mistake, but as time passed and bac defended you so much and so did you, I started reconsidering. If Lycan flipped town both of you would be the next to die without a doubt, so that would end terribly for you. So I believed your claim. If for some reason you did know for a fact who the mafia are because of your role, then that would be game throwing and my comment was purely from a fair game point of view. I apologize, I wasn't trying to accuse you of game throwing so much as I was trying you to reveal how you got the information.

But you're acting mostly on conjectures, not facts.

Now, my Lycan read was real and I used it to pressure you. If you're sure he's mafia, fine, I'll play along.
 
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Looking at the role list in the OP, I'm pretty sure that only some of the miller roles have to wait for someone to die before they can reveal stuff they overhear - Hans, Johann the Butcher, Tiny Tim, Jack, and Flycatcher. The rest of the miller roles (including Johnny's role, Nerissa) just have ribbons, but we don't know what subject those ribbons are for. It could be that they are able to talk about what they overhear as long as they avoid the ribbon subject. It's a little confusing to me but I think that's what happening here.
 
That seems to be the case. I assumed it worked the same way for all millers with the ribboned ones having an extra limitaion.
 
I already said that if you're sure Lycan is mafia then we should lynch him.
 
@Superjolt: I haven't had the chance to iso everyone yet (including people who I think you would've wanted to hear about like Lycan, kendy and jappo,) and my reads are a little outdated, but I'll give you what I've got.

I'm finding it very strange how Johnny's scum reads match up with my town reads. I've been townreading Alex and Naku because I feel they've been acting pro-town, and both have agreed with some of the things I've said in one way or another (in fact, I think they are the only ones besides Johnny who have actually acknowledged what I've been saying.) I'm slightly more cautious of Alex because he's been good at acting town when he's scum in the past, but I don't trust Johnny's claims that he is mafia.

Johnny's been acting really weird for most of the game. Initially, I scum-read him for refusing to use the mirror on D1, then changed my mind because I didn't think that scum would be that aggressive. I really don't like his interactions with me over Nani, though. I still don't really trust his "knowledge" about Alex either. He appears to be right about Lycan, but I think it was a general consensus that Lycan was going to be lynched next anyway. It's kinda weird that Desi supported Johnny on Lycan, but he didn't back him up on Alex.

I was actually a little suspicious of you, Superjolt, as I thought your town read of Johnny on D1 was a little...hasty, and it wasn't taking into account his aggressive refusal to use the mirror. Given that your more recent reads seem to match up with mine, I think you're town, although I'd like to know what you think of Johnny now (sorry if you've already said this somewhere, I'm on mobile so looking through posts is quite a slow process, and I'm short on time this morning.) I agree with you on Alex, and I'd also agree with you on Klippy too.

I'm also slightly suspicious of Abby, for reasons I've stated before (although I do need to go back and read D3 again.) She's been laying low ever since, which only strengthens this read.

Last time I iso'd people, I had a very slight town read on Omi and a null, maybe very slight town read on jd. Having said that, I do need to update my reads and see how these hold up.

Inb4 all my reads are wrong lol. I'm not the best at reading, but I'm trying :P

I might be able to give a more fleshed out reads list on Monday (second half of D4,) seeing as I'll be free all day and I should have time to iso the people who I haven't iso'd yet, and update the reads on those who I have.
 
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