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Thesis's OT fic guide: "What not to include", Part One

icomeanon6

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I only realised you put Blaziken there.
O.o Blaziken? That's not even remotely human! Sure, Alakazam works and Gardevoir and Lucario but BLAZIKEN? My head hurts. xDD
I don't know, I think the biggest similarity is probably the fact that Blaziken is bipedal and remotely human shaped.

I can hardly tolerate gratuitously sexual relationships between characters, much less between characters and Pokemon. Well stated, ThesisAlternating Current Coda Xylophone.
 

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thank you!

this really helped wit my fic. unfourtunately there are a few cliche's i have to use because if i didn't... the story wouldn't make any sense... but! thnx to this some of the other uneeded cliche's that i didn't evn realize were cliches are goin to be eliminated
 

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Lukespade, cliches aren't always a weakness, if used sparingly and properly - so don't worry about the necessity of including some of them. It is only when a story is riddled with cliches so that it detracts (or substitutes) the originality of the story that cliches are a problem.
 

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Rant, rant, rant.

When a trainer finds an abused Pokemon, there is usually a period of time where the trainer rants to whoever is nearby, usually the generic Joy, that trainers who abuse Pokemon are the scum of the earth and deserve to die, all the while slyly implying that they would never do such a thing.

This was my favorite part of your whole spiel.

I laugh every time I read a Fic involving this. Seriously, if the character has THAT much of a problem with Pokemon abuse, then it stands to reason they wouldn't be in a profession where it's legal for them to make their Pokemon fight each other for sport. I'm not saying characters shouldn't be against abuse. I just think if someone's like that, they could go farther than that and actually become an almost original character by being even slightly against Pokemon Battling in general. You don't see that every day.
 

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This was my favorite part of your whole spiel.

I laugh every time I read a Fic involving this. Seriously, if the character has THAT much of a problem with Pokemon abuse, then it stands to reason they wouldn't be in a profession where it's legal for them to make their Pokemon fight each other for sport. I'm not saying characters shouldn't be against abuse. I just think if someone's like that, they could go farther than that and actually become an almost original character by being even slightly against Pokemon Battling in general. You don't see that every day.

Glad you liked it. Also glad that the only person with the guts to write a fanfic starring the anime cast as characters in an SPC-like world has taken interest in the guide. XD

Me, I'm not so much against the inconsistency of whining about how awful abuse is as I am the fact that it's basically turned into the standard for establishing a character's yasashii credentials. (Ooh, ACC knows some E-Japanese! Tremble!) That hatred of abuse doesn't really add anything to the character that the audience hasn't intuitively figured out, and isn't really much of a plot point either. That is, unless it results in Eevee joining the party. (And on that note, why Eevee? It's always Eevee. Apparently there are several thousand trainers in the Pokemon world who almost exclusively abandon their cute, rare, fox-y Pokemon to the rain). It's just overdone and frankly it's pointless unless, as you said, it ties into a character's larger objection to Pokemon battling as a sport. Of course, seeing as Pokemon themselves are more than capable of eviscerating humans six ways from Sunday, I find situations where Pokemon are getting abused highly unbelievable. Even the anime wasn't dumb enough to present Charmander as actively getting beaten- he was portrayed as being extremely naive, enough that he believed every word his trainer said. The same thing, I guess, could be said for Chimchar in the Sinnoh arc. Shinji/Paul doesn't hit him with a stick, he just pushes him extremely hard and finally just decides "Okay, I'm through with you." That's about the closest I think you can logically get to abusing a Pokemon.... unless, of course, you like it when that cute little Eevee suddenly tests out the Bite technique it just learned on your spinal cord.

And on that note, I think it's time for another segment of the guide. SPIN ON! JUST WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK THIS IS?

THE GUIDE, PART VII, THAT'S WHAT! PIERCE THROUGH THE HEAVENS WITH YOUR FANFIC!​

Today, we'll be glancing at a fic genre that I've touched on but hardly covered- PMD fics. Now, the reason I've waited this long to introduce PMD cliches is that not only are they less popular than OT fics (but only just), I've also read fewer well-done PMD fics to establish comparisons than I have good OT fics. However, I just bought Explorers of Time, and so I've been granted a little bit of new insight into the PMD world. So, without further ado, I present... THIS!

I Instantly Believe You!

A strange syndrome that persists throughout the Mystery Dungeon universe- yea, even its canon- in which every Pokemon that the main characer meets automatically believe him when he says that he's a human. Come on, seriously folks. Does the 'partner' have to be this gullible? If I had grown up in an environment where Pokemon civilization has apparently replaced human civilization almost entirely and I found a half-conscious Cyndaquil lying on the ground and saying something about being human, I'd be less inclined to swallow his story and more inclined to drag him to the local village healer. Seriously, if your partner character is inclined to believe obvious misinformation this often, I've got a few acres of bottomland I'm selling with his name on 'em. More importantly, however, there's the fact that it's not just the partner character. Every single character that the leading man of the story runs into is completely won over when he says "I'm a human who turned into a Pokemon." Seriously, this isn't a particularly wise move to take in your stories because it essentially turns the whole thing into an Idiot Plot. Besides, having characters disbelieve the lead- even his own partner- can lead to amusing situations. Imagine that the main character makes the mistake of saying he's a human, and throughout the story everyone who knows him is convinced that he's delusional. Seriously, there's a lot of potential for both conflict and humor that's being missed here.

Because Three's Company Too

Referring to that strange tendency that PMD authors have in adding another Pokemon to the partner/main character core team of the PMD universe. This character is often there from the beginning or recruited very early on into the rescue/exploration team, and is a Pokemon not usually available as a potential recruit in the games until the final phases (i.e., another starter or choice of main character Pokemon). Now, I might not have such a problem with this if said character actually added anything to the story. Generally, however, such a character does not and serves only to be an extra witness to the events of the main storyline. Seriously, if you're not going to do anything story-altering with that character, don't put them in. Characters need a purpose to exist, or they might as well not be there.

Now where have I seen this before...?

Apparently, many PMD fic authors think that simply because the Mystery Dungeon games have a slightly more involved plot than the games of the main series, they can get away with essentially copying the game's story word for word and adding nothing to it. The sound you just heard was my patented boring-fic-o-meter exploding. Seriously, what's the point of transcribing the original game if you're adding virtually nothing to the story or characters? (No, for the record, having the main character turn into a Riolu or Larvitar instead of the usual starting Pokemon and adding an unnecessary third wheel to the main party does not a great addition make). Seriously, when every event is basically copy-pasted from the source material all the fic makes me want to do is go back and play the game for myself. Come on, people, is it really that hard to take a new spin on the characters or story?

Dungeon-Crawlin' Fools

You know, the whole "mystery dungeon" aspect of PMD canon is really basically just one big game mechanic. As in, it makes sense for it to be in the games because they're dungeon-crawlers but doesn't necessarily have to make it into the fic. The environments where your characters are exploring/performing rescue work don't necessarily need to be constantly shifting every time they blink and traversable only by using special sets of teleporting stairs (wut). No, seriously, what? It isn't impossible to write a good PMD fic or oneshot where the mechanic makes the transition from game screen to page, but it's also not exactly the easiest thing to do while maintaining a serious tone in the overall story. Keep that in mind.

Character Diversity- What's That?

Similar to the transcription of plots from PMD games, characters also often make a copy-paste appearance. Common victims include Gengar's gang from the original PMD games as well as Skuntank's group from the newer ones. Even the partner from both games is completely ripped off. Seriously, WTF people. Have you never even thought about the possible characters you could HAVE working together? You could write a fic about, for example:
-A human with a strong sense of duty transformed into a Pokemon and paired with a carefree, excitable partner.
-A main character whose loss of memories impaired his intelligence paired with a super-genius.
-A pair of kleptomaniacs forming a team in order to stay out of trouble.

The possibilities here are endless, people. One of my favorite PMD fics starred a Machop that the main character- a female, kleptomaniac Charmander- nicknamed Loopy due to his apparent mental damage. It was left ambiguous about whether or not Loopy was actually a human, and the fic was never completed, but it was definitely worth reading and if I still had the link for it I'd share it with you.

Well, there ends the guide for today. Until next time, remember: Your pen is the pen that will pierce through the heavens!

(By the way, amusing bit of trivia: the number of characters you're allowed to use for your team name in Explorers of Time is exactly enough to christen your group "Team Dai-Gurren". The fact that the partner in the Explorers games acts more than a little like Simon just makes everything funnier. XD)
 

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AC Coda X said:
The only thing in the Pokeverse more disturbing than SkittyonWailord action...

Pokemon and humans having a sexual attraction to each other.

No. Just no.

Seriously, I don't know what it is with people but it seems to me that I can't look at any forum without finding at least one fanfic with promises of hot Pokemon on human action at some point. The most common offenders are humanoid Pokemon such as Lucario, Gallade, Blaziken, and Gardevoir. However, I've seen much worse in the past, including a story that could essentially be summed up as an excuse for a Charizard to... ugh, we're just going to skip that now, got it? I don't want to be reminded of that fanfic ever again, but I just was. Look, I'll say it straight: I don't care if it never reaches a lemon, romance between Pokemon and humans should NEVER take a sexual turn. I don't know who or what you're writing for, but the fact remains that unless you're writing hot BlazikenonHuman action for a VERY SPECIFIC AUDIENCE composed entirely of PERVS, you shouldn't be inserting this into the main body of a story.

Pokemon and human in romantic relationships? It can be done, with work. But the love can't stem from sexual desire. Most people aren't exactly into bestiality. 0.o

So yeah, keep your mind out of the gutter, those of you aching to write trainerxLucario. There's more to love than sex, y'know.
Huh. I'm late, and risking a lot of accusations being thrown in my direction, but I must say this point mystifies me. How do you go from "Love can't stem from sexual desire" to "HumanxPokémon sex is invariably WRONG and PERVERTED", exactly? I mean, if you were just ranting about love arising from lust (or worse, rape) in general, fine, but that is a point completely unrelated to the species of the partners involved. Provided that Pokémon are in the story portrayed as sapient, I see no reason why romantic attraction should not be able to develop between a human and a Pokémon in just the same way as between two humans. In fact, you already seem to acknowledge Pokémon/human romance just fine. Why, precisely, should it then be invariably non-sexual just because one partner is a Pokémon? The point that there is more to love than sex has no bearing upon this; it is still a fact that romantic relationships have a very strong tendency to involve sex at some point or another, and I really don't see why this should automatically not apply if one of them is a Pokémon. "Most people aren't exactly into bestiality", no, but we're talking about a human who has already fallen in love with a Pokémon, and Pokémon are known to practice interspecies mating with other Pokémon. Besides which the very fact that the Pokémon are sapient changes things considerably from bestiality as we know it: we're talking about the Pokémon having actual romantic feelings and the ability to express them, and the communication of consent for sex is every bit as easy as between two humans. It's a lot more comparable to homosexuality than to actual bestiality, really: two mutually consenting, sapient adults with existing romantic feelings for one another, who would maybe need to be a bit creative with the precise mechanics of potential sexual intercourse, but are very much capable of it and would derive mutual pleasure from it. Why would they not have sex?

Yes, it squicks you, fine, but that doesn't mean it's automatically WRONG and PERVERTED and MUST NOT HAPPEN IN A STORY. Some people are squicked by homosexual sex, and that doesn't magically mean that homosexuals in stories shouldn't have even off-screen sex for fear of offending people. I'm all for providing appropriate warning if a story is going to include a sexual Pokémon/human relationship for the benefit of those who want to avoid it, but a guide like this should point out clichés, illogicalities and other things that have a sensible reason to be avoided altogether, not complain about your personal squicks.

And no, I have never written a sexual Pokémon/human relationship and have no particular interest in doing so. It just struck me as a very narrow-minded point.
 
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*shifty eyes*

Okay, who let the bugs into the guide? Guess I need to break out the bugspray... *wanders off*

Just kidding, of course. I'm glad that one of my favorite OT fic authors actually showed up in the guide. And in answer to your question... well, to be honest I'm not even sure how I feel about Pokemon mating with others that aren't their own kind, which really seems to be a game mechanic more than anything else, and it's not one that I think necessarily has to transition from screen to page. But more importantly, the Pokemon/Human relationship thing was included in the guide because it's squick-y to enough people that I figured now would be a good time to point out that it's not exactly a strategy that'll grab you a lot of readers. Plus, it's just... disturbing. It can be rationalized in the method you've pointed out, but honestly I've got to say that it's just plain WRONG. I mean, I'll note that even your R-Rated Scyther's Story fics even have the sex scenes in a "fade to black" manner, by your own admission because you didn't want to explore the mechanics of Scyther sex. This isn't simply a "cliche" guide, it's a "what not to include" guide as well. Seriously? If you're gonna have Pokemon/Human sex and it's really essential to the story, don't do what the fics I'm mentioning here do and transition from story to porn. Go off-screen. Be tasteful. But don't force readers who are already reaching the maximum point on their squick-o-meter to sit through a graphic sex scene if that's not the point of the story. It doesn't add anything, believe me.

And on that note...

OMG GAIZ THIS IZ THE PERSON WHO CAME UP WITH THE SUPER-KEWL NICKNAME CONCEPT I MENTIONED EARLIER AND OMG SHE CAME HERE AND SHE CRITIQUED AN ASPECT OF THE GUIDE AND O-M-G!!!!!

.... You can go ahead and hit me now. Please.
 
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Then I think you should have reworded what you said, now that you explained it. The way that you originally had it in the guide made it seem like you were against just Pokemon/human relationships. But now that you've explained it, it seems as if you are just against porn in the fic, which sounds less...opressive?

Yeah, romance can actually happen between Pokemon and human (Meowth from the show, anyone?), but I can see what you mean about the exceptionally descriptive smut in the fic that springs on you.

So, you advocate the use of "boot scenes", termed by Tracy Hickman, writer of a few DragonLance novels. Because as you, and he, said, knowing what went where adds nothing to the characters. (Sometimes.)

I can't really comment on your most recent addition, since I don't read PMD fics. XD So...yeah.
 

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o.O Well, I've been following this guide for a while; I guess I never replied before.

I was mostly objecting to this particular statement:

AC Coda X said:
I don't care if it never reaches a lemon, romance between Pokemon and humans should NEVER take a sexual turn.
which I took to be implying that you had something against the very idea of a human/Pokémon relationship being sexual even if all the action went on off-screen; I suppose I just misunderstood you there.

Personally, I'm inclined to think that graphic sex, whatever the species of the participants, does not belong in a serious non-pornographic story if it does not directly serve to get the point of the story across. That is the actual reason for the fade-to-blacks in The Fall of a Leader; if I felt that the story was honestly better served by including all the details, I would do so, but that is very rarely the case. More to the point, I would have been exactly equally morally disinclined, on exactly the same terms, to include the details if the characters had been human - or, yes, a human and a Pokémon. The fact that Scyther are semi-reptilian insects and getting the mechanics to make sense would require some awkward research and figuring is merely an inconvenience, a sort of "Well, I'm glad I won't have to try to figure that out" thing, rather than actually finding it at all wrong or disturbing. I'm generally rather disinclined to be squicked by the idea of sex depending on some physical properties of the individuals involved, as long as they're adults. :/ Meh.

AC Coda X said:
I'm not even sure how I feel about Pokemon mating with others that aren't their own kind, which really seems to be a game mechanic more than anything else, and it's not one that I think necessarily has to transition from screen to page.
It's never really struck me as that kind of game mechanic, but then again all Pokémon hatching from eggs never really struck me that way either, so I'm a bit of a special case.
 
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Well, I just spent the last hour that I should be spending doing other more important things, and I must say I LOVE THIS GUIDE! But seriously...
1. A CHARIZARD USING EXPLOSION? WHO IN THE HECK DID THAT SO I CAN PERSONALLY GO SLAP THEM!
2. Pokemon mating with humans vise versa....ew. I cant beleive its even been done. I knew about the Gardiviore thing, but....ew. O_O *eyes twitch*

And so many other things...its amazing to think that people are actually doing the things that you have brought up here, and I pity the poor fools. Scary thing is, I found two things in my fic that arent quite considered a cliche yet, but came very, very close. Which is why I would like you to read my fic, though I have only the Prologue up at this point. If I'm trying to do a fan fic that shows the darker side of Pokemon, I need to keep it as original as I can, and all help is appreciated.

But still...really....an EXPLODING FREAKING CHARIZARD?!?!?!? AND HUMAN AND POKEMON LOVE RELATIONSHIPS? WHAT is the world coming to?
 
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Your most recent entry really gave me some stuff to think about. I'm about to embark on writing a PMD fic (that has its own setting and isn't simply transcribing one of the games). This guide has been excellent, and may have actually given me the inspiration to attempt to write a decent OT fic. Just because I like to attempt the things seen as near-impossible =)

Call it ambition, or maybe I'm just crazy xD
 

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Mind if I interfere ?

There's something that bothers me a lot in fanfiction and that you didn't include yet (if you did, well, feel free to ignore my post :D). It is that kind of "You disagree with me ? Alright... I challenge you !" thing.

I've noticed this kind of scene structure in the games and it seems to have spread to the world of fanfiction.
First, the hero meets an opponent, often a Team Evil grunt. The hero asks the grunt to let him in the Team Evil base, or to stop doing whatever evil thing he was doing. Of course, the grunt doesn't agree. Then the hero challenges the grunt to a Pokémon battle. If the hero wins, the grunt will do what the hero asked him to do. The hero wins, of course, and the grunt obeys the hero, sometimes even helping him by handing him the key of the elevator.

Seriously... Do you think that an actual member of an evil organization in the real world would accept to stop being evil just because he was defeated at a game like... tennis, or cards, by a ten-year-old ? I don't think so. I'm not against the principle of Pokémon battles between heroes and evil people. Just let me present another scenario, that seems to me more likely to happen.

The hero meets the grunt. He asks him to stop whatever evil deed he's doing. [Optional step : The grunt answers "mind your own business" and the hero insists] The grunt punches the hero in the face (as long as you're not having Bruno from the Elite 4 as your main character :D) or threatens to do so. The hero calls his Pokémon out for help. The grunt does not dare to fight the Pokémon with his bare hands so he summons his own Pokémon, and the battle goes on. The winner, whoever this is, will probably tie the loser to the closest tree with a rope and/or knock him out. The loser won't just kneel and apologize : it is more likely that he will look like he's about to punch the winner in the face anyway, but he won't dare to actually do so because of the threatening presence of the winnter's Pokémon.

This cliché appears in all genres of fanfiction, not only OT, but I though it was interesting to point this out.
 

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I read this whole thing in one sitting and I have to say I like it immensely :D It's helped me re-think a few things...

But your thing about the whole "chosen one" cliche issue actually gave me an idea ;)

Before you fall to the floor racked with pain at the very thought of another one of... them mysteriously appearing on the forum, please keep in mind that I have read this forum and plan on trying to take the rules to heart and, more importantly, to my writing :P
 

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I started doing a bit of Pokemon writing (don't worry, pretty much nothing like what has been mentioned here) and then found myself reading these forums and onto this guide. Very entertaining.

And honestly, I agree with your first post on human-pokemon relationships, rather than the second, watered down post. Someone compared it to homosexuality, I disagree. I tend of think of Pokemon as the Pokemon world's version of animals, and I'll tell you now, as a completely heterosexual male, I'd much rather have sex with another man than with a dog. And i'm sure that in almost every case in the world, homosexuality is much less taboo than beastiality. Obviously people can love their Pokemon, just as people in the real world love their pets, but how many pet owners do you know who have a romantic relationship with their cat? Of course, it does happen, but when it does, it is considered very unusual and is very probably illegal. The fact of the matter is, unless you have a strong stance on beastiality (either for or against, that's your business) which you would like to express through the use of Pokemon, I'd steer clear of taking your Raticate for dinner and a movie before heading to the back seat of your car.

Anyway, I really have never written a fanfic but I am experienced in Pokemon Role Plays, which is very similar and often just as extreme when it comes to cliches. I have to say, I have been guilty of many of these in the past, although I do seem to be leaving them aside as I get older. For example, in my latest RP (The Grand Tournament, established by Trainer Kat), I played a character who I found extremely fun to write as. He was outgoing and somewhat of a dickhead (objectified women [basically thought with his penis] and a little bit manipulative) but he also was a happy guy who was not violent at all and at the end of the day, just wanted to have fun and try to get laid as much as possible. Whether I pulled it off well enough, you'd need to ask my fellow Role Players, but damn I enjoyed writing as him.

The piece, my first real fan fiction I guess you could say, that I just started writing I don't think falls into any of these Cliches, which is always nice. I try to make the Pokemon world seem as "real" as possible (which I guess I always try to do with my writing style, which is why I never liked it when people randomly slot Japanese words into their writing) with the main character being a teenaged guy who's found himself homeless on the streets of Goldenrod in Johto after running away from home due to his own cowardice. He will find himself working for team rocket as his way of staying alive, with no real moral message when it comes to this, and at the end of the story I will hope to reconcile him with his past and send him back home, maybe to finish school or something.

Wow, I can't believe I just rambled all that, I have to say that a tl;dr aimed at me wouldn't be out of line here. :surprised:
 

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Just one thing I want to comment on here about your post, Yaziyo. You say that because Pokemon are their world's equivilant of animals that it's the same as bestiality. Well, if you do go by that mindset and think of Pokemon as non-sapient creatures who solely thrive on instinct, then yeah, that comparison would be valid. The problem is that not everyone views Pokemon like that. I, for example, view most Pokemon as being sapient beings on the level of humans with the only barrier separating them being that humans couldn't understand them and thus didn't know that they were sapient.

In this case, when Pokemon are viewed as not being mere animals, the bestiality comparison doesn't fit as well, as now it's only the Pokemon's physical body that's similar to that of an animal, not its cognitive ability to return any affections.
 

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Yaziyo said:
I tend of think of Pokemon as the Pokemon world's version of animals
Well, that's just it. When Pokémon/human relationships are portrayed in serious fanfiction, Pokémon are not shown as the Pokémon world's version of animals. They're almost invariably clearly sapient and can communicate with their partner. You can't just say "Pokémon look like animals, and therefore Pokémon/human relationships are comparable to bestiality in the real world"; the reason that bestiality tends to be frowned upon is that we can't talk to animals and they generally have no concept of meaningful love relationships. One can easily make a reasonable argument that a love affair with an animal is emotionally very different from a love affair with another human being, and that an animal can't properly communicate what it wants to the person, making a proper relationship impossible.

When we're dealing with human/Pokémon relationships as shown in fanfiction, these problems are simply not present. The only thing that makes Pokémon different from humans in that case is what they look like and their particular talents and abilities - mentally they're exactly the same. How can you justify them not being able to fall in love, when men are capable of falling in love with other men, people are capable of falling in love with people they've never seen, white people are capable of falling in love with black people?
 

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Yes that is a good point, both your arguments do make sense as Pokemon are often viewed as being as smart as a human. I always did get the sense (in the cartoon and games at least) that Pokemon were capable of understanding human speech but not the other way (pika pika), however I still think that even in the "Pokemon world" the topic would be regarded as taboo.

By all means, write a story on Poke-People mariage, it's just that unless all the other characters are into that kinda thing themselves, you'd expect to see some conflict between the characters about the morality of the issue. However, most of the stories of that kind are something like "Albert and Magmar move in together next to Ash's house in Pallet town and everyone lives happily ever after." This, I find, is pretty damn unrealistic.

Then again, you can ask what really is the Pokemon world? And I think that's where the opportunities for these kinda stories will arise. I have always, when writing Pokemon, written the world as a fusion of what I live in, in real life, and what comes out of the games, cartoon etc. In the end, I get a world with cars, no random japanese references thrown in (<_<) and more "real" characters than other stories (so no 10 year old's who go explore the world and come home with big-ass dragons). I have been further exploring this and would love to either write a fanfic or master a role play for a story set in the real world, exactly as we know it, but with Pokemon in it. I personally find that that makes for a much more interesting adventure. Actually, the idea I had was of some sort of a Pokemon world cup that trainers from around the world went to compete in, complete with protestors boycotting the tournament because "Battling is Cruelty". A moral ambiguity works (at least I think) much better than "the trainer rants to whoever is nearby, usually the generic Joy, that trainers who abuse Pokemon are the scum of the earth and deserve to die" :P

On a side note, the fact that many people write all their Pokemon centre nurses as Nurse Joy and all their police officers as Officer Jenny kinda annoys me. The cartoon used it as a running gag, and for children to be able to know who's "good" and "bad", with identifyable characters, but do you really need to bring it into every Fic, with no explaination and no even surprise by the main character that some crazy lady is following you to every centre you go? Just a little peeve of mine.

Sorry for rambling... again.
 

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I've always thought the presence of Jennys and Joys in fanfiction really wasn't all that annoying, primarily because it doesn't really matter who the officer is or the nurse is unless they're somehow important to the plot. And your average Joy or Jenny isn't all that important. For those reasons, I consider it perfectly permissible for Jenny or Joy to be recycled as fanfic characters, since they're just background anyway most of the time and when they are main characters... well, I've actually read a couple of Joy/Jenny POV one-shots that I liked quite a bit. Unfortunately, I never save the links to anything so you all need to take my word for it. XD

As out of the box as "realistic" Pokemon world fics are, I actually tend to avoid over-rationalizing the Pokemon world in my fanfics- and sometimes I go the opposite direction. What draws me to the Pokemon fandom isn't its realism so much as it is its un-realism. Because honestly, how can you really reconcile the real world with a miniature yellow rat with a bizarre tail capable of producing massive amounts of electricity... that can be reduced to the size of a piece of chewing gum and carried everywhere? To be honest, I've read and enjoyed several fics where realism and the Pokemon world meet but there's a limit to the amount I can tolerate- especially when people start throwing in violent character deaths just to make the story more "mature". I think there's a lot of potential in some of the aspects of Pokemon that are extremely silly at face-value, but when exploited correctly can make a good story. There are ways to write a fun, up-beat OT fic without entering the realm of total cliche. I usually add about as much realism as I can stand into a fanfic without totally killing the quirks that drew me to the fandom, and leave the rest intact.

He says as he attempts to remember just when he wrote his last fanfic. XD

I'll say this: I love Pokemon fanfics that don't completely throw out the quirks of canon just to make the fanfic more interesting, and even moreso I love fics that add new and interesting angles to the Pokemon world. My personal favorite Pokemon fanfic will now and forever be Xanthine's "Midsummer Knight's Dream". There's an element of realism there, and it's a very serious story... but it also doesn't add these elements gratuitously. As far as the storytelling and plot are concerned, the fanfic is much better off.
 

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Game Transcriptions:
Sometimes reading stories following the plot of the games is fun, don't get me wrong. But when every event follows the game exactly, and not much is done to differentiate the story from an exact transcription of the game, it gets boring. We all know the game story. We've played it. We're members of the fandom. If you're going to transcribe the game, you need to be doing it from an extremely different angle. The OT story just isn't suited for this.


Hhm. I hate to ask something about your very first page, but I've been wanting to rewrite some pokemon games for a while now, and this little tidbit made me wary. It kind of seems contradictory to me, and I'm a little confused. ^^" You say it can be fun to read these fanfics, then you say "The OT story just isn't suited for this." The pokemon games are kind of like OT fanfics, right? I mean, you're a trainer that goes around beating things up and somehow saves the world... or am I just thinking too hard about all of this? ^^"""


I suppose I'm just wondering what you think, or what anyone thinks, really. I don't want to write something I really like and have everyone bored with it. I'm not going to have the same plot as the game, so maybe this question is just redundant.... Yet, I'm still curious. ^^"
Sorry to blabber on and on about that. I'd talk about your guide and what I think (but I agree with most of it, just to say), however, I have to go. I completely forgot about school tomorrow. I promise I'll review or whatever sometime soon if you want, kay? =D


PS Sorry if you see random code floating about. I have no idea what I'm doing. XD
 
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