[Thieves of the Night] Dark-Type Club ☻

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Ahhhhh I'm sorry for not being so active in here. :/ I'm not sure what we can talk about here anymore. So how about we bring back a old topic cause some new members have joined since. It was one of the first topics I answered when I first joined.

Before generation IV, all Dark-type moves were special. However, the presence of powerful Dark-type moves like Crunch, Pursuit, and Thief certainly does not make Dark all that special. So: Do you think it was right to classify them as Special moves?

 
Before generation IV, all Dark-type moves were special. However, the presence of powerful Dark-type moves like Crunch, Pursuit, and Thief certainly does not make Dark all that special. So: Do you think it was right to classify them as Special moves?

I think it was a dumb thing Game Freak did, because while Dark-types look so awesome, their moves sucked back the because almost all of them were physical attackers and the moves didn't take advantage of their stats, so changing them to physical in 4th Gen was a good move and finally made Dark-types usable again.
 
Dark type, i believe, was the special version of the late Ghost Types, which is a Physical before Gen IV. If you put their elemental advantages side-by-side, you can see that both are similar in ways, both super effective against Ghost and Psychic. Since we're talking about moves, Ghost offensive advantages are only against itself and Psychic with no effect against normal types, making the latter a perfect check for those moves. Dark, on the other hand, is also strong against both Ghost an Psychic with no types immune to them and Fighting being its only difference between Ghost an Dark. If Dark would've been Physical before Gen 4, it would compete with the lesser Ghost moves and Dark would soon dominate over Ghost as Dark seeks more use while Ghost is left being a weaker variant of the fore-mentioned.
 
Dark as Special? I don't think that works at all, no! Crunch, Bite, Beat Up, Thief, Fling, Sucker Punch - none of these strike me as Special moves haha. I think they were just looking for a new Special type to balance things out and it made more sense to make it Dark rather than Steel but I think it was a mistake. Thankfully the division didn't last too long but I can't imagine how something like Weavile would've coped back then - even the most basic Dark-types introduced at the time like Mightyena go against the Special classing though so who knows paha.
 
NOOOOOO!!!!
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At least Dark can now have a chance against Steel types, the most defensive type there is. A type for a type, right?

So Fairy is basically Light-type, effective against Dark, immune to Dark.

Iamstilloutragedaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! DX
 
Okay new topic due to recent news!

It's been recently announced that the Fairy-type is super effective against Dark types while Steel loses it's resistances against Dark and Steel. What are your thoughts on all of the recent news?How do you think it will affect the Dark type competitively?Will it improve it or make it worse?


Long topic which I'll answer later. Now discuss!
 
Dark/Ghost types...that's all I'm bringing for now. Look above the topic for my announcement response *sits in a corner*
 
It's been recently announced that the Fairy-type is super effective against Dark types while Steel loses it's resistances against Dark and Ghost. What are your thoughts on all of the recent news? How do you think it will affect the Dark type competitively? Will it improve it or make it worse?

I think Fairy being strong on Dark was something I saw coming thanks to that big Pokebeach rumor dump from months back. It confirms Sableye and Spiritomb as now having a true weakness, and also Scrafty, Hydreigon and Pangoro being 4x weak to Fairy. The changes to Steel's resistances was something I didn't expect, maybe they removed the Ghost and Dark resistance to balance out Steel like how they added Fairy to balance out Dragon. Looks like Game Freak weren't balancing just Dragons after all!

As for competitive, I think the Dark-type could see more use given it's now super-effective on Metagross, Bronzong and even Honedge. The modifications to Steel's matchups could make Dark-types be used more again so I could say it made it better imo.

Oh, and Aaron you need to specify Ghost and Dark, not Steel and Dark in your last post there.
 
Dark being neutral against Steel will be a huge help as it's currently one of their biggest counters but I think being weak to Fairy will make up for it. Fairy-types (assuming they get some strong members) will be huge in the new meta to counter all the old OP Dragon-types (especially things like the new mega Garchomp) so I can see Dark-types having a hard time as a result. I'm sure they'll have some of their old classics pull through but with Pokémon like Hydreigon now having 4x weaknesses I'm not expecting much. It's a shame :(
 
CloysterOyster said:
If it's ok with the club's owner, I want to make a Dark-type team of my own and add it here.

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Umbreon @ Blackglasses

-Faint Attack
-Quick Attack
-Pursuit
-Moonlight

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Hydreigon @ Dragon Fang

-Dragon Rush
-Dragon Pulse
-Crunch
-Scary Face

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Sableye @ Spell Tag

-Punishment
-Shadow Ball
-Shadow Claw
-Foul Play

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Houndoom @ Charcoal

-Smog
-Fire Fang
-Crunch
-Flamethrower

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Mightyena @ Quick Claw

-Odor Sleuth
-Bite
-Sucker Punch
-Take Down

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Weavile @ Ice Gem

-Beat Up
-Ice Punch
-Night Slash
-Hone Claws
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There was a topic in the past where I asked people to make a monotype Dark team, so you did answer a previous topic. As long as you don't ask people to rate your team, I'm okay with it.


Anyway, I'm gonna answer the topic myself now.


I figured Dark would be weak against Fairy mainly cause of the leaks Hikari mentioned, but also cause it makes sense. Fairy is pretty much a light and magical type that is good and Dark is the evil and mischievous type. Light is the opposite of Dark so it makes sense the Light or Fairy type is super-effective against Dark. While Dark being weak against Fairy isn't good, Dark now being neutral to Steel types balances it out more. It will definitely make Dark types better and more used in competitive play too cause no it can take down uber tanks Pokemon such as Metagross and Bronzong.


And I updated the OP since Hikari mentioned my mistake. Anyone who answers the topic now should use the corrected version instead.
 
It's been recently announced that the Fairy-type is super effective against Dark types while Steel loses it's resistances against Dark and Ghost. What are your thoughts on all of the recent news? How do you think it will affect the Dark type competitively? Will it improve it or make it worse?

Fairy winning against Dark makes sense. I think they're turning it into one of those fairytale situations where the enemies always lose at the end no matter what. I don't like how dark-types in this situation are portrayed as the pirates and poisoners in books but I'll get over that. Another example of how fairy is super effective against dark is that fairy represents light while dark represents the shadows. Overall it makes logical sense but I don't like how fairy is becoming an overpowered force, ripping through some of the strongest types in the game. It gives a chance for the underrated types of the game (poison I'm looking at you), to stand out but overall all their strengths are insane. At least this one makes sense. (how steel beats fairies are beyond me, maybe cages to trap them?)

As for steel losing their resistance to Dark, I guess it was an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth? Get another weakness while receiving a strength in return. Steel-types could possibly be represented as soulless being all hollow so I don't see how dark penetrates through them. But this is the Pokemon world where logic doesn't apply to anything, so I'll think about this later. Overall I think this was implemented for the sake of balancing dark out but either way, I welcome it with open arms.

Competitively this will probably take the metagame by storm. If the most overused type in the game is cowering in fear, I don't think dark will cope to well. Hydreigon will probably drop down to the lower tiers while fairies rise higher to the top. We could possibly see more usage of other underrated types like Poison and their counters but that's only a guess. As for what happens to dark-types, I think everyone will expect a fall in usage. Top dark-types that usually find themselves sitting in higher tiers might not be able to handle all the offensive and defensive pressure on them especially with Tinkerbell on the rise.

It's not all bad news but I think it definitely outweighs the positive. Dark-types could be used as wallbreakers against the defensive Steel-types but there are so many better types for that. I mean sure, they can now rip through Pokemon they used to have trouble with but they're also burdened by this new tyrant type. How competitive will affect dark-types is a mystery itself though. Although I think it'll take a tumble for the worse. ]:
 
It makes sense that Fairy-types are effective against Dark now, as fairies are creatures of light and smite evil. I don't get how Steel is losing resistance to Dark and Ghost though, how can ghosts and darkness effect a metal? Steel needs to be kept strong and so does Dark.
 
Username: Perdition Haze
What do you think of dark-type Pokémon: Design-wise, I think dark-type Pokémon are pretty awesome!
Your partners: Tyranitar and Sableye.
What types rule: Dark-types. :)

It's been recently announced that the Fairy-type is super effective against Dark types while Steel loses it's resistances against Dark and Ghost. What are your thoughts on all of the recent news? How do you think it will affect the Dark type competitively? Will it improve it or make it worse?
In my opinion, fairy-type represents good and dark-type represents evil. Since good always win over evil at the end, it makes perfect sense to me to have fairy-type Pokémon be super-effective to dark-types. Dark Pokémon aren't used very often due to their weakness to fighting (one of the most common types in competitive battling), but this could make their usage even lower. They are neutral to steel-types now, but I honestly don't see how that would be able to help much, since there are already plenty of other Pokémon types out there that could take down steel.

The only dark-type Pokémon that would be able to keep its usage relatively the same is Zoroark, since its ability enables it to disguise itself as another Pokémon and trick the opponent. Tyranitar's usage could remain the same, too, maybe, since it's one of the very few Pokémon that has access to Sand Stream. d:
 
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LOL What if a Fairy-type fan club is founded and then suddenly we start rivalries between which is the better type an I'll be the type who gets pissed of by all their statements and starts a fight with them. XD

Hopefully that won't happen, especially with me getting very aggressive, since my current mood is getting very gloomy towards Dark-type's eventual downfall. Maybe I'll lighten to the type as soon as I get to us a few of them.
 
Username: 14Henderson7
What do you think of Dark-Type Pokemon: Ever since the release in G/S/C I have been a fan of them and always tend to try and have one on my team cause of their resistance for psychic and ghost. And with certain dual-typings, makes for better resistances.
Your partners: Drapion
What Types rule: Dark Types Rule!
Answer the current topic: The fact they are now weak to Fairy-type makes sense. And Steel losing resistance to Dark and Ghost will shake things up both Competitive and casual-playwise. Competitive because it will cause everyone to rethink their team as well as their strategy and won't have all the same 1 Pokemon who makes the entire team. Casual because simply the fact you have to switch up your team.
 
Username: Raiou435
Partner Pokemon: Hydreigon
Type Rules: Dark, because it is mostly offensive and speed and psychic has no effect on them (except for hypnosis).
Answer to current topic: It does make sense that Fairy are strong againt Dark while I can't really answer about Steel losing resistance to Dark and Ghost types...
 
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Perdition Haze said:
Username: Perdition Haze
What do you think of dark-type Pokémon: Design-wise, I think dark-type Pokémon are pretty awesome!
Your partners: Tyranitar and Sableye.
What types rule: Dark-types. :)

It's been recently announced that the Fairy-type is super effective against Dark types while Steel loses it's resistances against Dark and Ghost. What are your thoughts on all of the recent news? How do you think it will affect the Dark type competitively? Will it improve it or make it worse?
In my opinion, fairy-type represents good and dark-type represents evil. Since good always win over evil at the end, it makes perfect sense to me to have fairy-type Pokémon be super-effective to dark-types. Dark Pokémon aren't used very often due to their weakness to fighting (one of the most common types in competitive battling), but this could make their usage even lower. They are neutral to steel-types now, but I honestly don't see how that would be able to help much, since there are already plenty of other Pokémon types out there that could take down steel.

The only dark-type Pokémon that would be able to keep its usage relatively the same is Zoroark, since its ability enables it to disguise itself as another Pokémon and trick the opponent. Tyranitar's usage could remain the same, too, maybe, since it's one of the very few Pokémon that has access to Sand Stream. d:
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14Henderson7 said:
Username: 14Henderson7
What do you think of Dark-Type Pokemon: Ever since the release in G/S/C I have been a fan of them and always tend to try and have one on my team cause of their resistance for psychic and ghost. And with certain dual-typings, makes for better resistances.
Your partners: Drapion
What Types rule: Dark Types Rule!
Answer the current topic: The fact they are now weak to Fairy-type makes sense. And Steel losing resistance to Dark and Ghost will shake things up both Competitive and casual-playwise. Competitive because it will cause everyone to rethink their team as well as their strategy and won't have all the same 1 Pokemon who makes the entire team. Casual because simply the fact you have to switch up your team.
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Raiou435 said:
Username: Raiou435
Partner Pokemon: Hydreigon
Type Rules: Dark, because it is mostly offensive and speed and psychic has no effect on them (except for hypnosis).
Answer to current topic: It does make sense that Fairy are strong againt Dark while I can't really answer about Steel losing resistance to Dark and Ghost types...
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My bad for not checking in to this club often. :( So sorry. Welcome all of you either way.

We're definitely in need of a new topic:

With Pokemon X and Y's release date only lass than 2 weeks away, do you see anymore new Dark types being revealed anytime soon? How about a Dark-type specialist?



By soon I mean before the games release date. Anything could happen I think. Though the only new Dark type Pokemon I see being revealed would be an evolution of a already announced Pokemon , not a new species all together. They seem to be only revealing evolutions at this point. We supposed to be getting new Pokemon news during the showing of Pokemon Origins set to premiere in Japan on Wednesday morning (or October 2nd) so who knows. If the leaks about Chespin's final evo being Grass/Dark are true, then we could also see them reveal that with the final starter at the last minute. Dark type specialist I doubt less but it could still be possible. We haven't even seen the region's Champion or Elite Four yet.
 
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