6th Gen Third Version Speculation

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I have noticed just how similar Gen 1 and Gen 6 are

1.Y is Red with X being blue and it carries on into the remakes which funny enough are remakes of games that had remakes of Gen 1 during it's time

2.Kalos and Kanto have the same number of letters in the name plus both start with KA.

3.Both have a mysterious dungeon with Mewtwo.

4.Prof. gives you Charmander,Sqauirtle and Bulbasaur.

Does this mean much? Maybe not but considering Gen 1 is 20 this year I kinda am hoping the new game has Kanto involved. Would be interesting to have Kanto has a second region like in Gen 2 this would allow for some interesting post game if they base it years into the future like it seems Gen 6 is. (Around 10 or so) That or heck an adventure in Kanto. Mewtwo was man made and Cinnabar island was destroyed so it would make for an interesting plot of the bad person in the new game had ties to Kanto and was the one who created it for Team Rocket (or whoever Mewtwo was made for in the game) and came back to try making ore man made pokemon. Maybe involve Zygarde somehow? Like giving man made pokemon actually Zygarde cells? I doubt the anime is using the plot of the new games as of now. While things do appear in the anime before the games it is pokemon and not story lines which makes me think the season 19 plot won't be the game plot. Would be let down if it was for a lot of people. Though The N arc of BW was really hardly anything like the Gen V games. (Took aspects of it but was different) so not sure how many people expect the same exact plot from the anime to be the 2016 game
 
I've read that it was built by an ancient tribe, but perhaps that's just speculation.

I think Azoth is an anime exclusive location like the towns in Destiny Deoxys and The Rise of Darkrai.
But... we're trying to have some fun here. We don't want to be reminded of the fact that Game Freak will probably just give it to us with no fanfare. ; ;
 
If he built Azoth he may have built Magiana as well. He already knows how to imbue life into things... wouldn't be impossible for him to do.

Come to think of it I just thought of something. What if WE get to make a Pokemon in this fashion? It's already partially built of bits of other Pokemon, and if we do get to go to Azoth the means to create Magiana may still be there.
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But... we're trying to have some fun here. We don't want to be reminded of the fact that Game Freak will probably just give it to us with no fanfare. ; ;
Sorry, I just don't want all of you to get your hopes up like Famon did. It's better to expect a third version with some changes and get that or something better, than to expect something bigger and have it be something generic.
 
I have noticed just how similar Gen 1 and Gen 6 are

1.Y is Red with X being blue and it carries on into the remakes which funny enough are remakes of games that had remakes of Gen 1 during it's time

2.Kalos and Kanto have the same number of letters in the name plus both start with KA.

3.Both have a mysterious dungeon with Mewtwo.

4.Prof. gives you Charmander,Sqauirtle and Bulbasaur.

Does this mean much? Maybe not but considering Gen 1 is 20 this year I kinda am hoping the new game has Kanto involved. Would be interesting to have Kanto has a second region like in Gen 2 this would allow for some interesting post game if they base it years into the future like it seems Gen 6 is. (Around 10 or so) That or heck an adventure in Kanto. Mewtwo was man made and Cinnabar island was destroyed so it would make for an interesting plot of the bad person in the new game had ties to Kanto and was the one who created it for Team Rocket (or whoever Mewtwo was made for in the game) and came back to try making ore man made pokemon. Maybe involve Zygarde somehow? Like giving man made pokemon actually Zygarde cells? I doubt the anime is using the plot of the new games as of now. While things do appear in the anime before the games it is pokemon and not story lines which makes me think the season 19 plot won't be the game plot. Would be let down if it was for a lot of people. Though The N arc of BW was really hardly anything like the Gen V games. (Took aspects of it but was different) so not sure how many people expect the same exact plot from the anime to be the 2016 game
I think there were tonnes of throwbacks to Gen 1 in X and Y, although I haven't played it for ages now so couldn't list them.

I'd like it if another region was involved in the upcoming game, but feel like if it was Kanto/Johto there would be complaints from some that the other one of those 2 wasn't involved as we know they are so close. It wouldn't be Hoenn as we just had ORAS which leaves Sinnoh and Unova as candidates.
 
I've read that it was built by an ancient tribe, but perhaps that's just speculation.

I think Azoth is an anime exclusive location like the towns in Destiny Deoxys and The Rise of Darkrai.

The main reason people believe it will be, is because of the AZOTH files in ORAS.
Wasn't Alain mentioned in ORAS? Maybe they are planning to fuse game/anime canon into one slowly XD

I think this is exactly what's being done.

Also here is my theory. It's very long, and I don't know how likely it is, but I think it's worth sharing:

AZ was once a powerful ruler of Kalos. However when the Kalos war broke out 3,000 years ago, he began to change. He wanted to save floette after the war killed it. I believe AZ ruled many lands in Kalos. I think we will learn that the war was started by another rule trying to take over Kalos. As King, AZ participated in the war, as in ancient times this wasn't to uncommon.

Which reminds me, The ultimate weapon killed a lot of pokemon, enough to make Floette sad and leave. How many did it kill? I have to imagine that a war fought by giant monsters and humans would be enough power to destroy the earth as pokemon like Gyrados and tyranitar could destroy entire cities. Let alone any megas at the time...

So how powerful was this weapon? It must have been just as, if not more destructive then the war itself..... Which is pretty insane if you think about it.

Moving on, I believe AZOTH was the main civilization that AZ had conquered. It was probably A strategic city to own. Perhaps it was massive like Luminous City? From this City, AZ ruled. I also think this is why it's called Azoth. It be named after him, much like Alexandria was named after Alexander the Great. IT could be a real life comparison by GF. In this city, volcanion lived, because as we've seen in the anime movies and games, legendaries lived with ancient humans.

By the time AZ takes over AZOTH, floette is dead, and he plans to build the ultimate weapon to resurrect it. Azoth is built as a technological advancement. It has stempunk like tech as we've been hinted at.

As part of this theory, I should mention, that based on the games, I am thinking and Hoenn were once connected to Kalos. Moving on...

As AZ builds the ultimate weapon, he is unsure if it will work Using the corpses of pokemon his soldiers bring back from the fighting grounds. For this theory, I predict that AZOTH is in the southeast portion of Kalos. Why?

Well currently in the anime, Ash and co are on their way to Snowbelle. This movie takes place at the same time. Volcanion is heading to Azoth to save magianna, but ends up dragging Ash with it. Volcanion lives in mountains, and to the South East of Kalos, there seems to be a lot of them. Plus a place this could easily work in a mountain, or almost badlands setting.

Also there is no place for it where the kalos map is now, but it clearly will be important, so it being in the south makes sense.

Moving on.... After enough pokemon were sacrificed, AZ tests the device out on an old lifeless robot that was lying around. IT works and brings Magianna to life. Magianna is confused on what life is and is brought to life in the middle of the war.. Perhaps he also managed to Create regigias somehow, who then pushed the continents away, separating Kalos and Hoenn? And eventually created the regis Seeing his idea worked, Az brings floette back to life. But the war and everything else gets to him...

He finds a way to rework the life saving device into one that ends lives. The device kills more people and pokemon, and ends the war. However firing that beam released the energy that causes primal evolution. Magianna somehow will use this energy and cause volcanion to use primal reversion. Perhaps magianna actually holds part of the ultimate weapon in it, and if something happens to it, it could end up killing many people. Volcanion will want to stop it's kidnappers from harassing this power in the movie.

After firing the ultimate weapon, not only did it release the energy that can cause primal reversion, but it also gave AZ immortality since he was so close to the firing range. Or maybe Magianna somehow became the reason.
The blasts also destroys the Azoth kingdom. However left confused and by itself, Magianna ends up staying in the kingdom, and becomes friends with volcanion. Due to the actions they both witness, they isolated themselves and avoid the human race.

As the years go by, AZ wanders Kalos alone, saddened by his actions and the loss of his beloved floette. Until the events of XY,
I also think that Magma and Aqua knew about the Azoth kingdom but not magianna. I believe that due to the state he was in at the time, AZ would neglect magianna as his focus was on Floette, and even in his sadness, he ignores it. Az would the go back to the kingdom in Z and apologize and state how you would be better at owning it maybe. Although it's a mythical pokemon so maybe we won't see it in game at all, but after deoxys, it's possible.

In Z, maybe we go to Azoth and learn that the machine actually created a new type,by causing it's energy to bring things like magianna to life. This could lead into my theory of a new type, the machine, or man made type. It would apply to manmade pokemon, and maybe we could see that there are steampunk or self aware objects that became pokemon as a result of the machine's energy. This could all take place in Z. Maybe southern Kalos is opened up after the mountains mysteriously get leveled and the region is accessible by land. As we go along we could get into Episode V, a plot that revolves around volcanion being the reason the south is accessible, and end to the AZ/Team Flare story, and the discovery of magianna and learning more about how the world changed recently.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the story takes a new turn before the end of the game, and a war is about to happen that would be catastrophic. Perhaps Malva now leading Neo team Flare, could find a way to obtain the ultimate weapon, and a war is waged. You have to stop them from activating the weapon again and perhaps in them reactivating it, we learn lysandre was alive and immortal. Bit of a stretch for this last part but who knows.

I do think we could see a theme of man vs machine for the game, and I do think we will go to Hoenn in HGSS style, not much story for it( maybe it ties into the V episode or Z episode, whichever) but more challenging and the battle frontier could return as well.
 
Sorry, I just don't want all of you to get your hopes up like Famon did. It's better to expect a third version with some changes and get that or something better, than to expect something bigger and have it be something generic.
Well unlike Famon we already know Game Freak will probably let us down in that department so eh, might as well have fun and dream now before crushing reality sets in. I honestly don't think they can fix all the inherent issues X and Y had without making a TON of changes, and if they don't make those changes Z will be 'meh' at best. At least it gives the people who make fangames some ammunition.
 
I think there were tonnes of throwbacks to Gen 1 in X and Y, although I haven't played it for ages now so couldn't list them.

I'd like it if another region was involved in the upcoming game, but feel like if it was Kanto/Johto there would be complaints from some that the other one of those 2 wasn't involved as we know they are so close. It wouldn't be Hoenn as we just had ORAS which leaves Sinnoh and Unova as candidates.

Yeah it would be unexpected and pretty cool to see. I think the days of the normal 3rd version is gone after BW2 and the 2016 will be something nobody really expected. Whether this means a new journey in an older region with concluding the Gen 6 story since it felt ORAS was more of a follow up to XY than a regular remake like FR/LG and HG/SS. I just think a lot of gamers have become fed up with remasters just a year or two after the game is out since it seems to be a thing that is pretty big now when in the past it was really just Pokemon that did it.

I guess we just need to wait for maybe a Direct or Masuda to drop a bomb. I do have a feeling something will be said next week. Maybe not so much the new game as much as a hint towards the future. Like if the USA YT uploads a video showing the new pokemon I expect that to shed light. Like if they say a "new Pokemon" we know new pokemon are coming but if they say new form we know a form change is coming. Though I am leaning towards full on new since they gave it a name and they just give the forms names but say the pokemon. Like %50 Zygarde. Though the ORAS reveal literally was pulled out of thin air. no build up or anything it was just uploaded and boom!
 
Well unlike Famon we already know Game Freak will probably let us down in that department so eh, might as well have fun and dream now before crushing reality sets in. I honestly don't think they can fix all the inherent issues X and Y had without making a TON of changes, and if they don't make those changes Z will be 'meh' at best. At least it gives the people who make fangames some ammunition.

Keeping hopes low is also good in case they do go all out with a game nobody saw coming. Nobody would be let down since we did not hype it. Though if it is just Z I would be a bit sad due to it being the 20th year and hoping they would really go all out. If it was Z any other year (like last) I would not mind as much

Though things are going like the way I planned in early 2014. New gen-2013,remakes-2014 nothing-2015 All out anniversary game-2016. So far I have been right and would love a great game for 2016. However as you said it is best to keep hopes low. We should find out by e3.
 
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Very nice theory there! A few things were off though: Magiana was theorized to have been made 500 years ago, while AZ's Floette was revived 3,000 years ago. The Ultimate Weapon was converted into a weapon after said Floette was revived, and to my knowledge it didn't cause any deaths at that point because it had either Xerneas or Yveltal powering it. Simply being exposed to the machine bestowed immortality on both of them, and its location was always in Geosenge Town. It was only after it had been converted into a weapon that it took the lives of nearby Pokemon, and while we never see its effects Team Flare used it with the intent to destroy all life on Earth so there's that.

Aside from that though it's an interesting theory. Unfortunately we probably won't get anything like that and will probably just get a rehashed Team Flare plot with few changes. I don't have faith in Game Freak's storytelling abilities right now.
 
Yeah it would be unexpected and pretty cool to see. I think the days of the normal 3rd version is gone after BW2 and the 2016 will be something nobody really expected. Whether this means a new journey in an older region with concluding the Gen 6 story since it felt ORAS was more of a follow up to XY than a regular remake like FR/LG and HG/SS. I just think a lot of gamers have become fed up with remasters just a year or two after the game is out since it seems to be a thing that is pretty big now when in the past it was really just Pokemon that did it.

I guess we just need to wait for maybe a Direct or Masuda to drop a bomb. I do have a feeling something will be said next week. Maybe not so much the new game as much as a hint towards the future. Like if the USA YT uploads a video showing the new pokemon I expect that to shed light. Like if they say a "new Pokemon" we know new pokemon are coming but if they say new form we know a form change is coming. Though I am leaning towards full on new since they gave it a name and they just give the forms names but say the pokemon. Like %50 Zygarde. Though the ORAS reveal literally was pulled out of thin air. no build up or anything it was just uploaded and boom!
It is new. Even the japanese on corocoro says so for those wondering. While they also call formes "New" this one as you said has a name. Btw, we wouldn't be completely sure if Magiana will be a new Kalos mon or a early cameo. Sugimori mentioned shortly after XY irc that they had already begun work on Gen VII, saying they wanted to make it more like the originals, simple . OrAs was developed by a different team than XY irc, so the main team might be working on Gen VII, or on 'Z'. Or maybe Z will be Gen VII, and we'll get a Pokémon 'W' (with a new mon) or maybe Pokémon 'M' (M is the 13th letter in the Alphabet).
 
Very nice theory there! A few things were off though: Magiana was theorized to have been made 500 years ago, while AZ's Floette was revived 3,000 years ago. The Ultimate Weapon was converted into a weapon after said Floette was revived, and to my knowledge it didn't cause any deaths at that point because it had either Xerneas or Yveltal powering it. Simply being exposed to the machine bestowed immortality on both of them, and its location was always in Geosenge Town. It was only after it had been converted into a weapon that it took the lives of nearby Pokemon, and while we never see its effects Team Flare used it with the intent to destroy all life on Earth so there's that.

Aside from that though it's an interesting theory. Unfortunately we probably won't get anything like that and will probably just get a rehashed Team Flare plot with few changes. I don't have faith in Game Freak's storytelling abilities right now.

Dang, I knew I forgot something in writing that. IT was on the 500 years part. But I remember what I originally thought.

So with that in mind, a few changes:

Magianna was created with energy leftover from the ultimate weapon. Not by AZ, but by the descendants of people of AZOTH. They create Magianna as a vessel essential. Using the ultimate weapon's energy, magianni is created to contain/or balance primal volcanion( who I think is guaranteed at this point), who is caused to primal revert uncontrollably by the strange device mentioned by the movie description.

In the past, maybe primal volcanion managed to destroy Azoth, when it went into primal form, but a few that were leftover created magianna as a way to stop this power. Perhaps volcanion couldn't control it, but magianna was made to help it? Eventually time moves on and the ruins of Azoth are left untouched, and then evetually it's just volcanion and magianna in Azoth until the people in the movie find them and capture magianna.

As for the powering of the weapon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CneQ-QnwdSc

the wording makes it sound like they used pokemon to power it, and then he used that same power to completely wipe out the remaining ones in the war after floette is revived. But it could go either way.

And yeah it probably won't happen, but I found it interesting and fun to make anyway!
 
@ Zoroarkrules. I don't think there's a link between the Project and this anime town. Recall, in the Games the project was developed by Maxie/Archie (perhaps during their time in the same team), it's purpose was to change the face of the earth and take back the world to a primal stage in order to rebuild a better one. That plan wasn't very different from Lysander's but it's possible that Lysander heard of the plan much in the same way Ghetsis knows of Rocket and Galactic.
 
It is new. Even the japanese on corocoro says so for those wondering. While they also call formes "New" this one as you said has a name. Btw, we wouldn't be completely sure if Magiana will be a new Kalos mon or a early cameo. Sugimori mentioned shortly after XY irc that they had already begun work on Gen VII, saying they wanted to make it more like the originals, simple . OrAs was developed by a different team than XY irc, so the main team might be working on Gen VII, or on 'Z'. Or maybe Z will be Gen VII, and we'll get a Pokémon 'W' (with a new mon) or maybe Pokémon 'M' (M is the 13th letter in the Alphabet).

This is something I never knew. I had no idea GF had separate teams. Always thought the company was pretty small. I am curious if them wanting to make it simple means in terms of battles of game overall. I can understand retooling battles to make them simple but not sure how they can make the game itself any more simple.
 
@ Zoroarkrules. I don't think there's a link between the Project and this anime town. Recall, in the Games the project was developed by Maxie/Archie (perhaps during their time in the same team), it's purpose was to change the face of the earth and take back the world to a primal stage in order to rebuild a better one. That plan wasn't very different from Lysander's but it's possible that Lysander heard of the plan much in the same way Ghetsis knows of Rocket and Galactic.

Maybe, but in the game, its a project researching primal reversion. Volcanion is connected to this kingdom, and is thought to get a primal much like how Hoop and diancie got a new form, and mega with their movies respectively.

So it is possible that they are connected. Primal reversion could relate back to this place.

Also it's worth noting that they seem to want the anime and games to be canon based on the Allan reference. This movie could very well showcase this off a bit.
 
Maybe, but in the game, its a project researching primal reversion. Volcanion is connected to this kingdom, and is thought to get a primal much like how Hoop and diancie got a new form, and mega with their movies respectively.

So it is possible that they are connected. Primal reversion could relate back to this place.

Also it's worth noting that they seem to want the anime and games to be canon based on the Allan reference. This movie could very well showcase this off a bit.

Would be interesting to see Alain in game. Maybe you and him could be friends.?
 
Would be interesting to see Alain in game. Maybe you and him could be friends.?

I think it be cool. He could maybe be Sycamore's aid but not a generic NPC like past games, and then sometime later on he battles you. Maybe when you get your first mega?
 
I think it be cool. He could maybe be Sycamore's aid but not a generic NPC like past games, and then sometime later on he battles you. Maybe when you get your first mega?

Yeah he could be the game's rival assuming they something new and not gyms but more of a quest like in Final Fantasy. So many new things GF could try
 
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