Type Effectiveness Reasonings

Frozen Lotus

Frozen Lotus

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    Has their ever been a type effectiveness weakness, resistance, or immunity that you never really... understood? Something that just doesn't seem to add up on WHY something is weak to something else, or why something is resistant. Maybe it's something that isn't weak to something else that you feel it should be. I personally kind of wonder why Water isn't weak to Poison. How about you?
     
    I've always felt that Water types should be super effective against Poison types. There are acid-y attacks and water neutralizes acid, so I've always felt that it would fit. At the same time I don't understand why Psychic types would be super effective against Poison types. I don't really get the reasoning behind that.
     
    The biggest one, to me, is Ice not resisting Electric. Ice is known to be a poor conductor of Electricity, so Electric attacks, theoretically, shouldn't do much to Ice types.
     
    By far the type effectiveness that makes the least sense to me is Rock being weak against Water. Why on Earth would a rock be harmed by getting wet?? This is only made worse by the fact that Ground-types are also weak against Water, and most Rock types are also Ground types, so the end result is that big, tough, sturdy looking rock Pokemon get KO'd by as little as lawn sprinklers -_-

    Steel being weak to Fire has never quite made sense to me either. I mean, it's pretty hard to set steel on fire, and it has a melting point of like, 1650 Kelvin. I know the Steel type would be overpowered if it didn't have its Fire weakness, but still xD

    Psychic being weak against Bug never used to make sense to me, but I recently realized that there's a common theme to all the Psychic type weaknesses: they're all common fears (fear of the dark, fear of ghosts, fear of bugs), and fear throws off a Psychic type's concentration, I guess? Perhaps it's a stretch, but it's the best explanation I can come up with for it haha
     
    • Poison being super effective with ground-type attacks
    • Why Psychic weakness is common fears (Ghost, Evil/Sinister and Creepy Crawlies)
    • Poison attack never work on steel-type mons (thus defies acid melts metal theory)
    • Fairy being weak to steel
    • Water attack just dealt neutral and not super-effective against poison type (as theory of water neutralized acidic stuff because higher pH power)
     
    The whole Fairy being super effective against Dragon types never made sense to me. I understand that it kind of had to be done because Dragon types had little weaknesses, but still just weird.
     
    Blue Yveltal said:
    • Poison being super effective with ground-type attacks
    • Why Psychic weakness is common fears (Ghost, Evil/Sinister and Creepy Crawlies)
    • Poison attack never work on steel-type mons (thus defies acid melts metal theory)
    • Fairy being weak to steel
    • Water attack just dealt neutral and not super-effective against poison type (as theory of water neutralized acidic stuff because higher pH power)
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    It actually does make sense for fairy types to be weak to steel. In mythology, "cold iron" is often used as a way to ward off fairies and witches and stuff.
     
    R.F. said:
    - Bug being super effective against Dark
    - Fire resisting Fairy
    - Fairy being immune to Dragon
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    This never made any sense to me, either. I get why Bug would RESIST Dark... but I don't get why it's super-effective. Feels a tad backwards.

    The only thing I can think on this is fire burning up the magic, like... corrupting it in a sense. But... yeah, I don't really get it. lol

    IMMUNITY I don't get... but I get resistance. In some lore dragons are basically HELPLESS against magic, and Fairy-type is really more of the Magic/Mystic type. With the lore they seem to be going with it adds up.

    BettyNewbie said:
    The biggest one, to me, is Ice not resisting Electric.
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    The only thing I can think is because electricity puts off a lot of heat, but... that's kind of splitting hairs.

    Sopheria said:
    By far the type effectiveness that makes the least sense to me is Rock being weak against Water. Why on Earth would a rock be harmed by getting wet??
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    The grand canyon is a perfect example of why. Over time, water erodes and weakens rock. It's why you find a lot of riverbed stones and other aquatic rocks that are very smooth and round. Since the type effectivenesses aren't always intended to be super literal (two birds with one stone explaining Flying weak to Rock) it actually has a lot more logic and science behind it than most. The same could be said about Fire being super effective to Steel. Most Fire types have Pokedex entries saying they're capable of absurd levels of heat, so it makes sense that they'd be able to melt, or at least weaken, steel very easily.

    Toshiro. said:
    The whole Fairy being super effective against Dragon types never made sense to me.
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    In many forms of lore and mythology dragons are very vulnerable to magic... in these cases it's the ONLY thing that can harm them. Fairy is basically the Magic/Mystic type, so it makes sense. The irony with this is that it's also common in lore for dragons to be IMMUNE to magic as they are eternal masters of the ancient world, and only modern things like steel weapons are able to hurt them. But since Dragon was never weak to Steel, it's obvious this isn't the way they're going, and instead they seem to be going the "Dragons are druidic beings immune to the most primal of elements" route.
     
    I have nothing more to add cause you all have said most of it.I will just say you all rock!
    Btw I dont understand why is not normal supereffective against any type?Also the reason that it does not hit ghosts and does very less damage to steel,rock,ground,yade,yade,ya!
    I think there should be a type weak to normal.Oh wait!I wanted to say insanely weak to normal
     
    jessluvstolaugh said:
    Why is fighting super effective against dark?

    Why is ice super effective against dragon?
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    Fighting is super effective against Dark because "Fighting" is thought of as pure, honorable, and fair, while "Dark" is thought of as underhanded and corrupt. So it's basically justice/honor over deviousness.

    Ice is super effective against Dragons for the simple fact that dragons are reptilian, which are cold blooded. Cold blooded animals cannot tolerate cold temperatures.
     
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    I wouldn't jump on the Water > Poison debate so much. Yes, water is used to wash away toxic chemicals, but also remember toxic chemicals in the water kill tons of aquatic life.
     
    Quajutsu said:
    I wouldn't jump on the Water > Poison debate so much. Yes, water is used to wash away toxic chemicals, but also remember toxic chemicals in the water kill tons of aquatic life.
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    Huh, I've never actually heard the "washes away toxins" side of it, but even in that case pollution DOES make a lot more sense to me on why Water -should- be weak to Poison. And even though Water is my favorite type... it feels like it could use the tiniest nerf to its type-effectiveness. It's way too invulnerable for how many resistances it has.

    LucarioFan3 said:
    I never understood why Fairy resists Bug. That just feels forced. I also never understood why Ice never resisted Water.
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    I didn't even know Fairy resisted Bug... that's incredibly bizarre, especially considering Bug is arguably the WORST type defensively whereas Fairy is one of the best types all around. Kind of feels like they went backwards on that... though I don't know why Bug would resist Fairy, either.

    I get Ice not resisting Water. Water melts ice and breaks it. Even COLD water melts ice, because since it's not frozen it's technically warmer... hence ice cubes melting in cold drinks. Why Water isn't WEAK to Ice, though? I'm not really sure. Water freezes, it should be vulnerable to Ice.
     
    Frozen Lotus said:
    Fighting is super effective against Dark because "Fighting" is thought of as pure, honorable, and fair, while "Dark" is thought of as underhanded and corrupt. So it's basically justice/honor over deviousness.

    Ice is super effective against Dragons for the simple fact that dragons are reptilian, which are cold blooded. Cold blooded animals cannot tolerate cold temperatures.
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    Woah... I never thought of it that way thanks!
     
    I kinda just take the weaknesses/resistances for whatever Pokemon want them to be. There's always some argument/case which can be make for one type being stronger or weaker against another.

    As an aside, I think Fairy was a good intuitive type to bring into the game to balance out dragon. I'm just wondering what the next type will be to balance out the new VGC metagame (Mega Gardevoir?)
     
    rarmstar said:
    I kinda just take the weaknesses/resistances for whatever Pokemon want them to be. There's always some argument/case which can be make for one type being stronger or weaker against another.

    As an aside, I think Fairy was a good intuitive type to bring into the game to balance out dragon. I'm just wondering what the next type will be to balance out the new VGC metagame (Mega Gardevoir?)
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    I agree about Fairy balancing Dragon, but I wish they had thought its type matchups through a little better. Fairy nerfed Bug even more than it should have and indirectly nerfed Ice when that type is already the most hurting of any.
     
    I can't really add anything to what's mentioned above. Most of it is well explained by others. But is there a logic behind normal resisting ghost? I've always wondered where that comes from.
     
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