Underground Subterfuge

[Superjolt]

First off, pffffthahaha at what happened during the night

Doctor MVP and maf gets immediately killed; get W R E C K T

I will say that there's been a hell of a lot of roleblocking 'cause of the lovely gifts I've been receiving, and I'm difficult to kill.

Speaking of which, if there's a serial killer or a really active vigilante, you (Selena) and Ullion are not it.

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Elaborating on Johnny: Melody came as the third vote that day and it's not out of character for her to jump on a bandwagon like that, but the fact Johnny immediately hopped on the Desi without even posing the question "okay, which one's mafia?" reads like overeager mafia ready to throw an inno under the bus.

Cat Dog's D1 Reads: "Currently, I have town reads on Kiyo, Ullion, Anna and Johnny." - what holds me back from voting johnny now is this read list. These could all be innocents that he planned to incriminate after his inevitable flip.​

I guess I'm just not totally convinced on Johnny (cuz I feel like it actually is something Johnny would do regardless of alignment?) What I want to know more is who else is scum besides Johnny?

Desi was the only one to vote CatDog Day 1 so we cant really deduct from that.

This post rubs me the wrong way, it was pretty obvoius mafia killed Night 0 and this seems like a preemptive way to try and set up saving CatDog the next day. Anyone else have thoughts?

I thought it was established later that she hadn't been paying attention to the phase post? If anything is scummy from Selena on D1 it's probably post #44

Kiyo, I guess you probably don't want to answer questions about your role (which is understandable) but that still leaves questions about your alignment. Are you town? And what's this about me and Ullion not being serial killers, can you elaborate?

Now, why would you lie?

I'm sort of confused here, is Kiyo scum or not, y/n? Do you have any other reads or suspects? (There's also another issue I have with you but I'd like to hear your response first)

 

[Superjolt]

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Ullion what do you think about Kiyo and Abby? (I like what you said on D2 btw)

I HAVE NEWS! My name is NightKrow and I am a cop. Johnny, Melody, and Strange are all inno in my books. Could be naive, but I don't know for sure yet.

EDIT: my NAs were in the order listed.

Bard who do you think is scum?

same.
I even read it, it just didn't sink in.
What is wrong with me.

NightKrow I know you're possibly busy getting things ready for your game but I still want to see you actually do something here

Was not kidding about this, (I probably sound like a jerk sorry :( ) but I'm probably going to be annoying until you do something :S

[Lynch] NightKrow actually

 

[Selena Fluorspar]

What reasoning makes the Who's Kiyo? role an identifier of alignments?​

No idea. Ask GP after the game. Though Johnny might be right about the randomized thing.

I'm sort of confused here, is Kiyo scum or not, y/n? Do you have any other reads or suspects? (There's also another issue I have with you but I'd like to hear your response first)

Depends on how you define scum. I have reason to believe Kiyo is third party, but I've been trying to determine if he's a hostile or benign role.

 

[Who's Kiyo?]

No idea.

What do you mean you "don't know?" I got an explanation as to why my person - and since revealing name doesn't matter, I'm Alex Kaz btw - was the skin for my role, so avoiding the question sounds mighty sketch to me.

Girl I love being mafia, how do we know you're not a scum investigative role; especially when we already have two cops on the table?

trying to determine if he's a hostile or benign role

I'll try investigating them, if I'm not roleblocked

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[NightKrow]

Was not kidding about this, (I probably sound like a jerk sorry :( ) but I'm probably going to be annoying until you do something :S

[Lynch] NightKrow actually

[Lynch] Superjolt

 

[Abby]

I'd follow SJ's vote for using that

 

[gimmepie]

Acute, obtuse...?

 

[Selena Fluorspar]

What do you mean you "don't know?" I got an explanation as to why my person - and since revealing name doesn't matter, I'm Alex Kaz btw - was the skin for my role, so avoiding the question sounds mighty sketch to me.
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My role PM didn't contain an explanation for anything, not even how the role worked. I just got your name, the role name and the undersnail alignment. That's the entirety of my role PM.

Girl I love being mafia, how do we know you're not a scum investigative role; especially when we already have two cops on the table?

That's a question I can't answer, since I don't know, but Deci's claim is actually why I voted him, since up until that I was hesitating. This is also why I think Bard's a naive cop, since a third party result is something that only sane (or insane) cop would get.
I might be an insane cop, which would leave Charlie Brown as mafia.

 

[Who's Kiyo?]

Acute, obtuse...?

My role PM didn't contain an explanation for anything, not even how the role worked. I just got your name, the role name and the undersnail alignment. That's the entirety of my role PM.

"i read alignments"

"my pm didn't give any flavor reasoning for why my power is linked to the kiyo role or how it worked"

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ok sure​

 

[Pecilia]

Yea I'm going to bite the bullet on this one [Lynch]Selena Fluorspar

 

[Selena Fluorspar]

"i read alignments"

"my pm didn't give any flavor reasoning for why my power is linked to the kiyo role or how it worked"

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ok sure​

What are you trying to say here?

 

[Selena Fluorspar]

Well it's not my bloody fault GP put more effort into your role PMs than mine

 

[Superjolt]

No idea. Ask GP after the game. Though Johnny might be right about the randomized thing.

Depends on how you define scum. I have reason to believe Kiyo is third party, but I've been trying to determine if he's a hostile or benign role.

Well, generally it mostly means mafia, but it can also include SK and other third parties

My role PM didn't contain an explanation for anything, not even how the role worked. I just got your name, the role name and the undersnail alignment. That's the entirety of my role PM.

That's a question I can't answer, since I don't know, but Deci's claim is actually why I voted him, since up until that I was hesitating. This is also why I think Bard's a naive cop, since a third party result is something that only sane (or insane) cop would get.
I might be an insane cop, which would leave Charlie Brown as mafia.

How would an insane cop get a third party result? What are your other results?

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Is there a reason you haven't voted anyone Kiyo?

Good question. I'm not really sure, since everyone I've scumread turned out innocent.

My next suspects are Who's Kiyo and NightKrow, so I'll try investigating them, if I'm not roleblocked.

What do you think about Pecilia?

 

[Selena Fluorspar]

Well, generally it mostly means mafia, but it can also include SK and other third parties

How would an insane cop get a third party result? What are your other results?

Well, on EM they wouldn't but I don't know how GP would do it.

N0 was Kiyo neither mafia nor town.
N1 Charlie Brown innocent
N2 Johnny roleblocked

 

[Who's Kiyo?]

Well it's not my bloody fault GP put more effort into your role PMs than mine

> not even how your power works?
> sure

It's because gimme doesn't love me. How can you be cop but have a vanilla townie-sounding PM?

Is there a reason you haven't voted anyone Kiyo?

Now that you mention it, I'd love to [LYNCH] Selena Fluorspar.​

 

[Selena Fluorspar]

> not even how your power works?
> sure

It's because gimme doesn't love me. How can you be cop but have a vanilla townie-sounding PM?

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Well I'd been cop twice in a row so maybe he assumed I knew how it worked by now?
While I'm at it the actual role title appears to be cop of the undersnails.

Though maybe your role PM has more content because you have a more complicated role? Everyone who plays the game knows what the cop does, but a third party's more complex.

 

[Superjolt]

Now that you mention it, I'd love to [LYNCH] Selena Fluorspar.​

Why did it take some prodding for you to vote though? Like, if you thought Selena was spouting bullshit from the start, why not vote then?

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How did you know you could even target or send a NA if nothing was explained? :/

 

[Who's Kiyo?]

Though maybe your role PM has more content

I'm referencing flavor text connecting the skin name to the role, like for me - while I can't directly quote, I assume? - it references Alex Kaz's silliness and lunacy.

Do you really have none?

Also, @Superjolt: because I didn't want her to react with angry bile and get all defensive by my initial prodding. I wanted to see if a non-voting post of incredulity would make her flip out.​

 

[Selena Fluorspar]

How did you know you could even target or send a NA if nothing was explained? :/

I've played in the UG before, mate. I don't need it explained to me every single time.

I'm referencing flavor text connecting the skin name to the role, like for me - while I can't directly quote, I assume? - it references Alex Kaz's silliness and lunacy.

Do you really have none?
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None whatsoever. The entire role PM is one line, not counting the image in GP's signature.

 

[Strange]

that would imply that GP left out of the game one of the players who signed up

I mean wasn't Gunner's role Gimmepie? So even if all the rest of the roles are named after players there's bound to be one missing.

But yeah, it sounds like Selena Fluorspar is telling the truth to me. Also based on Kiyo's description of how his name fits with his role (and assuming that Selena Fluorspar is correct in that he's third party) I'm thinking maybe fool?