5th Gen Vote Ghetsis 2012! I mean, 2016! 2016!!!

[Pendraflare]

...Never gonna get old to me. xD Anyway, Ghetsis is the very head of Team Plasma, the one behind the team that wants to free Pokémon from people. Throughout the game, you see him and he speaks of what Team Plasma wants to do. However, as the game reaches its end and you've defeated N, he comes out and reveals that he had N pursue what the legendary Pokémon are about, and that N is actually his foster son! Then he comes at you with all his power to eliminate you!

What do you think of Ghetsis' scheme? Do you think his whole plan of playing up the team's facade was well carried out particularly with the endgame twist or was it all too predictable? For that matter, what did you think of having him as the final battle? Did you enjoy battling him? Discuss.

 

[Nah]

lol @ dat title

I did like Ghetsis as a villainous team leader. While it's still kinda obvious he's the bad guy, he's at least more subtle about it than the other team leaders in the series. And while it was a little predictable that Team Plasma's goal was just a cover-up for his real plan, it was still great how you battle N and then him as the end of the storyline instead of the Champion for once. Still don't understand his Hydreigon though.

I also have to give the man props for being the first one to try to actually kill the player. Some people think that he was just trying to freeze the player in their tracks:

In Pokémon Black 2 and White 2, Ghetsis is the only antagonist in the core series games to try to incapacitate the player. He attempts to have Kyurem freeze the player with Glaciate, but that move cannot cause freezing when used in battle. Before the English releases of Pokémon Black 2 and White 2, this threat was mistranslated by various sources as a threat to kill and impale the player using Kyurem's icicles.

But I doubt that really is a mistranslation; I think they just changed what he was saying a bit because American parents. You can't tell me that those icicle spears of Kyurem's weren't meant for impaling the player. So you're cool for trying, Ghetsis.

And I like his battle theme from Black2/White2. And I swear that they chant "Dennis" in that track.

 

[Pendraflare]

Title = reference to Marriland's Black Wedlocke, where Ghetsis is running for president. xP Not that everyone here will get that reference, but I wanted to for kicks.

Anyway, as mentioned above it overall wasn't hard to see that Team Plasma's liberation goal was a cover-up for what he wanted to do which was make it so only he could use Pokémon, but that twist was not what I saw coming first time. And what's more, before Black 2 and White 2 we were led to believe that N was Ghetsis' son - which, in those games we find out that he's his foster son and not birth son. Prior to that there were so many implications, including that he might have took a completely normal child and messed him up. Throughout BW, I found myself incredulous at that very thought, one of the sages even says he didn't even really know if the two were actually related. Turns out I was right.

And on the battling front, in BW not only is it a nice difference from simply becoming the Champion, as I have mentioned in the past, but he's no easy slouch. I would say he's up there with Cynthia as far as difficult battles go. That Hydreigon WILL blast you into next week if your team is unprepared. It's extremely fast (31 IVs in every stat and a +Speed nature), and has massive type coverage, so you really need to get strategic to best it. Yet in nearly all my BW playthroughs i've done, i've almost always found myself with a good answer to it, like a Fighting-type or a Dragon Dance Haxorus to set up against his Cofagrigus. Doesn't make it any less brutal for the average player, though. His Bouffalant also hits super hard with Reckless boosted Head Charge, and Eelektross has a lot of coverage too, not to mention no weaknesses. That's what his team in BW feels based on to me - full of Pokémon that are slow but have little to no weaknesses to target, except for Hydreigon, which, as I mentioned, just wrecks stuff.

Then in Black 2 and White 2, I have mentioned how credit-worthy it is that he attempts to impale you with Kyurem's Glaciate, and to add on to that, N saving you with his legendary was part of his plan the whole time, so he could fuse Kyurem with it and use Absofusion. It's just unfathomable that he'd hunch on such a plan, i'd say. On the battling front, he was dumbed down quite a bit, and his Hydreigon was disappointing here (much slower, physical attacker that's very susceptible to Steel-types, even with the Life Orb), but he's still not a complete joke overall per se - he did kill one of my pairs in my Wedlocke, which consisted of my Crobat that I had for a long time. And as mentioned above, his music was quite rad.

So yeah, that's my take on Ghetsis, that his schemes were very crazily contrived and makes for one of the biggest challenges in the series in the first games.

 

[Yato]

In my opinion, Ghetsis is the best evil team leader, hands down. (Cyrus comes in a close second.) He's able to manipulate all of his underlings and even his own adopted son into believing Team Plasma's goal is to liberate Pokemon from people AND has rather convincing speeches, at least if you place yourself in the shoes of the NPCs. As was stated, it is fairly obvious that he has an ulterior motive, but he manages to keep the façade going until the very end. In BW2, he's more ruthless, freezing a whole city and attempting to impale the player character (like Zekrom, I cannot believe he was simply trying to freeze you, as those icicles were really sharp, not to mention Glaciate doesn't have a chance of causing the Frozen status :V). He's also very difficult to battle if you don't use the Dragon in BW--I had quite a bit of difficulty with his illegal Hydreigon. The only time the Dragon wasn't difficult for me to deal with was when I had a legal Hydreigon in White, haha. In BW2, he was relatively easier, though still challenging. I find it odd that his Pokemon's levels drop in Normal Mode, though. (I doubt he got a new Seismitoad, Eelektross, Cofagrigus, and Hydreigon.) Oh, and he has a pretty cool theme; also fits his name origin.

 

[Altairis]

I really liked Ghetsis as a team leader. It was somewhat obvious to the players that he was the true leader, however, he was presented in a great way because he wasn't necessarily pretending that he wasn't. I like how in the end his true motive wasn't what we were told, and how he returned in the sequels. I thought that maybe he wouldn't be the head of Neo Team Plasma like how Giovanni wasn't in HGSS, but it was fun to see him return.

 

[Necrum]

I think that Ghetsis' ruse was a fantastic way to present a villain in B/W. You don't even realize that he is the main antagonist until the very end, because N is used as the front for Team Plasma. The fact that he surrounded himself with a group of others, and called themselves Sages, Ghetsis successfully tricks people into thinking he's just another cog in Team Plasma's structure. By far he is my favorite Pokemon villain for one reason though:

He's actually evil. There is no positive goal in his plans. He wants to rule and will go so far as to disarm everyone with a message of positivity and it is absolutely vile! With the exception of Giovanni (which is debatable) and Archer, every other team leader has some sort of goal that will "benefit" the world. In other words, [supporter]Sage Ghetsis[/supporter] is pretty much the best thing in all of Pokemon. :P