[Discussion] Was the Essentials Wiki taken down?

[Damien.aspiring.fandev]

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I don't know if there's anything for me to say. Do what Marin says and don't try to find download links here. It's best not to even talk about downloading Essentials here, really.
Don't let this put you off game development. It'd be a shame if that's all it took to stifle creativity. You knew what you were doing when you started/got interested, and this event doesn't change anything.

❧ Thus wrote fan-dev Maruno!
❧ And now...
❧ We could say that takedown... wasn't very effective!

If Nintendo continues this, they won't have a fanbase who loves Pokemon anymore, Nintendo's turning into Konami 2.0 at this point.....

❧ Actually, from what I understood, either it's Nintendo of America, which is a division,
❧ or either it's The Pokémon Company International, which is a subsidiary...
❧ I wish whoever took action at least deigned the other involved parts of consultation... but I could've gotten it all wrong ;)
❧ STILL, the engine will live on, just without updates(methinks) and not linked to in here!
❧ Let us celebrate by playing play trumpets, Kalosian horns, pianos, sawtooth synths, clarinets, celestas and whatever stereotypical instruments come to our mind!

So, it's okay to do this (and request wikia dumps) by email?

❧ Oh, hey fan-dev FL!
❧ Since it doesn't involve Pokécommunity in any way, my guess is that it's perfectly fine! (not sure if it implies any risks)
❧ I can't exactly help however, last time I tried to upload a project it gave me an extimated 16 hours, followed by an "upload failed" message...

Well, no surprise I couldn't share an Essentials project with someone else...

❧ Actually, perhaps I oughtn't type about this... but I just wrote regard my unability of doing anything, so it ought be fine, right...?
❧ ...uh, I'm not getting redacted and warned, am I...?
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[IlligalBeagle]

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❧ I don't know if it's viable, and I might turn out a bit impertinent, but...
❧ I'd like to propose the partially recognized insular country of Niue!

❧ Still... about the whole fan-games business... we still don't know whether distributing
❧ Essentials-based fan-games will count as distributing Essentials and thus result illegal,
❧ but if it WILL, someone might still find a way to get around that much like with rom patches, who knows?
❧ Or maybe an alternative will arise, just like someone hypothesized already!
❧ When a star goes down, thousand others show up!
❧ Gonna add a quote from thy partner on PMD:R&B RTs

❧ One thing I wonder... why can't I access the MAIN page of Pokécommunity?
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I think I am liking this country. Let us start here. I know we aren't really supposed to be talking about this, but I really think that this is important. I have literally never heard of this place (I have heard bits and pieces of Yugoslavia though) so this is pretty good. If it doesn't work out, we can always try one of the 200 extra countries listed when your videos get taken down and it is said which countries you are banned in and you have literally not heard of half of them (who knew Sony was so sensitive about My Hero Academia music).

No, I don't forgive you for being paranoid. I can understand it on some level, but the amount of fear some people seem to have is simply astounding.
Do you always fold when things get hairy? You may only have done this (as in making fangames) as an exercise for future projects on your own, but there are certainly creators out there who do not want to make anything different simply because this is their passion. If all of us, either as creators or fans, would handle this the same way as you, Nintendo, and indeed all companys, would have already won.
If you are not willing to take risks, your life will always be mediocre (and this goes for any part of life).

And I agree. Awkward quote pictures, ENTER THE SCENE!

Spoiler:

Edit: Put this is a spoiler for the picture is really Hugh.

 

[Vasdin316]

It sucks but you can easily just use the way back machine!

 

[Damien.aspiring.fandev]

I think I am liking this country. Let us start here. I know we aren't really supposed to be talking about this, but I really think that this is important. I have literally never heard of this place (I have heard bits and pieces of Yugoslavia though) so this is pretty good.

Well, New Zealand is responsible for its defense and foreign affairs, the Niuean are
New Zealand passport holders and one or two representatives are shared, but
that seems to be about it(idem for the Cook Islands).
Niue has recognition from 11 UN member states, despite not being a member or observant.
I was also going to propose the two Guyanas, but they're on a vivillon map,
plus one used to be a French oversea department and is under French sovereignty,
thus I wanted to play safe ;). [What do I know, maybe Guyana(sovereign) is actually viable?]
As for Yugoslavia, well... that's a former federal country located in the Balkans' area,
whose federal states separated. At least, I think, I oughta check.

Edit: Also, I am really sorry for its hugness. Didn't kow it was this big and not sure I can shrink it down. Not trying to be spammy...

Ah, it's okay! Nothing that a spoiler can't resolve! (on my phone it looked normal 'tho...)
Also, Hughness...

Uhm... I might be getting a bit off-topic... but the issue is mostly solved, right? Things will go on!
We can still go on with our developments!

 

[Marin]

The new wikia, consisting of purely original information and documentation, can be found at https://essentialsdocs.wikia.com/wiki/Essentials_Docs_Wiki.

This doesn't change the fact that sharing or asking for downloads here will not be tolerated.

 

[Soccersam]

Well, the new wiki is a start. I'm continuing. No one is stopping me.

 

[olderpokemonfan]

No, I don't forgive you for being paranoid. I can understand it on some level, but the amount of fear some people seem to have is simply astounding.
Do you always fold when things get hairy? You may only have done this (as in making fangames) as an exercise for future projects on your own, but there are certainly creators out there who do not want to make anything different simply because this is their passion. If all of us, either as creators or fans, would handle this the same way as you, Nintendo, and indeed all companys, would have already won.
If you are not willing to take risks, your life will always be mediocre (and this goes for any part of life).

Oh...okay? Well, I guess that's one way to look at it. No, I wanted to develop fan games for probably the same reason everyone else here does, but I also feel like Nintendo should reap some consequences of their actions against their fans... but if no one else feels the same, then...okay, I guess. I just feel like it's kind of unfair for Nintendo to try to make fans feel like they're doing something illegal by making games Nintendo wouldn't ever make themselves and giving the franchise extra popularity in the process, only for Nintendo to come back and get them for copyright infringement.

Sigh, I'll probably continue working on my fan games, too, but it will be a disappointment if anything else happens.

 

[IlligalBeagle]

It doesn't seem that Fandom has given the Content Dump...
I think there was something in the terms of service thing that said that they won't give it out if it violated copyright though and that wiki did sooooo they probably aren't going to give it to us anytime soon.

 

[IceGod64]

I know this is a lot of work, but could we not just take out all the references to Pokemon and stuff in the kit, replace them with custom assets and call it a "Monster battler starter kit" or something? The only thing Nintendo has the rights to here is the Pokemon themselves, art assets, and the name "Pokemon". I'm not mistaken here, am I?

They don't own the concept, or else things like Yokai Watch wouldn't be able to exist.

 

[IlligalBeagle]

True. But it might be misleading to new devs.

 

[IceGod64]

It might be, but that's kind of an anti-argument IMO. That's like saying "Having nothing is better than having something."

 

[BadSamaritan]

I know this is a lot of work, but could we not just take out all the references to Pokemon and stuff in the kit, replace them with custom assets and call it a "Monster battler starter kit" or something? The only thing Nintendo has the rights to here is the Pokemon themselves, art assets, and the name "Pokemon". I'm not mistaken here, am I?

Relatively defeats the purpose of making an easy to use kit, when you have spend half your time locating resources to make it work in the first place.

They don't own the concept, or else things like Yokai Watch wouldn't be able to exist.

They do own the concept, the concept of Pok?mon. Monster battling =/= Pok?mon.

It might be, but that's kind of an anti-argument IMO. That's like saying "Having nothing is better than having something."

It's not an anti-argument, because you made the assumption the only two options here are doing the kit like you suggested, and it not existing at all. When in reality, a third option of doing what we already are, i.e. keeping essentials as is but not providing download links, is better than both. It's how Rom hacks have worked on this site well before essentials took off, and needless to say that community is still thriving and well.

 

[IceGod64]

1: Doesn't defeat the purpose, it just kind of complicates things. Keeping what's ours available is for the best. Yeah, we could just keep Pokemon Essentials as is and make it hard to obtain, but that STILL defeats the purpose, when we could just remove the offensive (copyright wise) material.

2: You knew what I meant.

3: It's an anti-argument because our current "option" is still infringing on their Copyright, AND is bypassing a DMCA request. There would inevitably be a community effort to mod Pokemon back in through mods, yes, and that's all well and good, but to keep the base kit that inaccessible because of that is silly.

Anyway, this is really up to Maruno above all else, I just felt it's important that the idea be put out there.

 

[SpartaLazor]

It's kinda pointless to just take out all of the Pokemon content from Essentials at this point. Even if it was taken down, you can still easily find copies of it on the internet. Why bother having to go through all the trouble of putting the assets together again when I can just as easily get one of the original copies that already has it all done?

 

[IlligalBeagle]

Mhm. Though is we were once again giving it a more public face, we could change it (because I haven't been able to find those copies that you speak of anywhere)

 

[WHITEaNERDY63]

Is there currently no way for me to get the software????

 

[Amyrakunejo]

It's really just plain sad that the fans are essentially given the finger for wanting to promote the products of their beloved franchises with fan-made products, but that's the greedy, avaricious state of mortal-kind we currently see, but it won't last, I can guarantee you this much.

And of course, we still have everything we need, just harder to acquire, for now.

Don't worry, my fellow devs, gamers and fans; we'll see the end of the anti-fan corporation tactics, just be patient and let us, the Resistance, do our diligence.

 

[SpartaLazor]

Don't worry, my fellow devs, gamers and fans; we'll see the end of the anti-fan corporation tactics, just be patient and let us, the Resistance, do our diligence.

You're making this unnecessary more dramatic than it needs to be. The takedown sucks, sure. But everything's still out there. Games are still being made. Things are nearly the same as they were before.

We don't need a bloody revolution or anything.

 

[BadSamaritan]

You're making this unnecessary more dramatic than it needs to be. The takedown sucks, sure. But everything's still out there. Games are still being made. Things are nearly the same as they were before.

We don't need a bloody revolution or anything.

Thank you. I'm getting really tired of this supposed "anti-fan" narrative some users on here are trying to paint.

They do realize that Nintendo/TPC has allowed more fan-games/hacks of Pok?mon to exist, than any other IP in history, right? But hey, let's focus on the 1 or 2 they shut down each year, 90% of the time being related to money/ads.

If literally any other series from any other publisher, inspired the same amount of fan-games that Pok?mon does, you'd see the exact same thing, If not worse.

 

[Mewtwolover]

Is there currently no way for me to get the software????

Don't worry, you can still get it. It isn't hard to find.