What happens if you die?(part 1)

[Luck]

I should write a set of commandments or background for this madness.

I'll call it "The First Book of the Holy Lunar Avian." Anyone with me?

I'll just jump on this bandwagon right here. We can easily make millions and brainwash gullible people all over the world.
"Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion."
-L. Ron Hubbard

 

[Legobricks]

Does the bird have teeth? I mean, this post already doesn't make sense, so I think you might as well up the freak a bit.

Prehistoric birds actually did have teeth, there's nothing weird about it.

 

[Tacogeddon]

I'll just jump on this bandwagon right here. We can easily make millions and brainwash gullible people all over the world.
"Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion."
-L. Ron Hubbard

So hey, I found this old book in my basement.

"Long ago, in the early days of mankind, after the setting of the sun's holy light, what stood outside the entrances of our simple hovels and caves was the most raw, unthinkable darkness. Creatures twisted in both form and thought, lusting after our blood and the essence of dreams themselves would sit among the forests, waiting for those foolish or brave enough to step forth. The only guardian we had was the pure light of fire, our torches and firepits kept the creatures of madness at bay, for there was no such thing as light in their native planes of existence. However, fire only lasts as long as its tinder, less so should a gust of wind or sudden storm run afoul of your settlement. Thusly, it was then that the Holy Lunar Avian descended from his Perch of Creation, to give us a most cherished gift, the Moon itself.

The brilliant white glow of the Moon destroyed the nighttime horrors, they perished with blood-curdling screams and puffs of shadow. Hold these words close, remember them well, perhaps write them down, for the words of His Most Featheredness is a dying form of knowledge, spoken only by shamans in the throes of madness or death. May he take you under his wing, my child."

And I'm not even religious!

 

[Miz en Scène]

This thread is full of WIN 8D

I'm really undecided now about suicide.

I'm not sure if you're joking but suicide is not a good idea. I don't think any religion promotes suicide(Jihad is not suicide for a religious cause. Jihad means 'to struggle' against oneself(the greater Jihad) or to struggle against enemies that oppress his/her country(the lesser Jihad). I do not condone the acts of 9/11 and nor should anyone else.).

This thread is growing a bit weird for my liking. I'm not starting a cult with you guys. XD

 

[thorn96]

Wrong. 1st: when you die, you are a S-P-I-R-I-T.Belive me.YOU DON't SEE BLACKNESS OR!
then the moon eats you, but you are in the moon's world.



No!The "shaped" bird doesn't haves teeth!That just gets your knowledge and other things you did in your life!

Um... is it just me, or are you forcing your beliefs on others? Everyone is entitled to their beliefs.

Also...

then the moon eats you, but you are in the moon's world.

Someone's been playing too much Majora's Mask... lol, I can't just leave that their or I'd be contradicting myself. So I want to stress that I AM ONLY JOKING!!!

Okay... what is a "shaped bird"? How exactly can you shape a bird? o_o;
Why does this bird steal our knowledge? Who exactly would accept information from a strange looking bird that can't even talk in the first place? It's obv that you wouldn't feel it because you're dead...? Maybe you're talking about vultures! They seem to attack the dead in the animal kingdom, not so sure about humans though.

Hey, maybe this "shaped bird" could actually be Ho-Oh? Y'know, the creators of Pokemon might actually be trying to give us the message that Ho-Oh is evil and will eventually bite us when we're dead. Yeah, of course, that is what it must mean! That means that God is really Arceus, a man made character. This means God is man-made, and that our entire existance was man-made.

WHAT A SHOCK THAT WOULD BE TO TELL YOUR GRANDCHILDREN!

What do you do for that time before you're born again? Count to infinity? :D That seems so logical~

Isn't your normal and real body the same? Oh and; how can the moon eat you if you're dead? Haven't you already been attacked by this mystical "shaped bird"? Yeah, I think by then you've gone through a terrible ordeal that you would want to forget. Good thing you apparently don't know this by now!

What does the moon's world look like? Isn't there more than one moon? Which moon's world would you go into? Did the astronauts who've already been to the moon actually die, be attacked by the "shaped bird", eaten by the moon, and come back to life to tell everyone what life was like on the moon?

For this to make sense we'd have to be unable to travel to the moon, which has already happened. Unless you think that it's a conspiracy for those who are covering up what really happens when you die, which of course they'd know because they aren't dead yet.

If you don't see blackness, what do you actually see? If you don't have any knowledge because of the "shaped bird" stealing it, wouldn't you theoretically not exist because there is nothing about you other than a soul just floating around with no such purpose? And if you're a spirit, how would one know that, because guess what? The "shaped bird" stole your knowledge! Thus, you wouldn't know you were a spirit, and nobody could come back and tell you what actually happened. Unless of course you, KillingAlien250, are God and came down to tell us what life is like when you die? Oh wait, it isn't life because you're a random soul floating around who got bitten by the "shaped bird".

...tl;dr? This post made about as much sense as both of yours did ^_________^

Like I said, everyone has they're own beliefs. Don't make fun of them. Maybe KillingAlien250 could elaborate on what he means, in more detail than before?

 

[pokejungle]

Um... is it just me, or are you forcing your beliefs on others? Everyone is entitled to their beliefs.

lawl @ applying logic in a thread with no logic.

 

[thorn96]

lawl @ applying logic in a thread with no logic.

Are you telling me this thread is... a JOKE?! Oh crap!!! D:

 

[Tacogeddon]

Are you telling me this thread is... a JOKE?! Oh crap!!! D:

Nay! The words of His Holy Featheredness are the only light in the darkness!

 

[doesn't matter]

I'm not sure if you're joking but suicide is not a good idea. I don't think any religion promotes suicide(Jihad is not suicide for a religious cause. Jihad means 'to struggle' against oneself(the greater Jihad) or to struggle against enemies that oppress his/her country(the lesser Jihad). I do not condone the acts of 9/11 and nor should anyone else.).

This thread is growing a bit weird for my liking. I'm not starting a cult with you guys. XD

haha, nice try, but you're quite full of it.

First off, the jihad you're describing (greater and lesser), is one that is only mentioned in an obscure hadith, one that isn't even considered authentic by many, if not most, Islamic clerics. In addition, it is the only mention of a greater and lesser jihad in Islamic texts.

Secondly, if what you're saying is actually authentic, then the lesser, violent and outwardly jihad still exists, you cannot deny that. In addition, in that hadith Mohammed says, "after you have finished the lesser jihad, then you must go and do the greater jihad" (paraphrased). The greater jihad is to come after you have killed the infidels.

But frankly, I think all that above is crap. Jihad by itself just means struggle, but in the Islamic context, it is always a violent, outwardly struggle. In addition, it isn't always defensive or in retaliation for something.

Qur'an 5:33: "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter."

Mischief? Mischief makers can be crucified!

 

[Åzurε]

I believe in the one they call Jesus
I believe He died on Mount Calvary...

But yeah. I'm Christian. Heaven and Hell, Resurrection, etc.
Not Catholic. Get it right.

You've probably heard it before, So I won't explain the procedure right now. From a more objective view, isn't it better to believe in an afterlife, rather than not? In case there is, to ensure you're on the correct side of it? Just questions... I'm off to bed, and I want in on the Lunar Avian. Buenos Nachos.

 

[thorn96]

Nay! The words of His Holy Featheredness are the only light in the darkness!

Lol ok then... :P This thread is getting WEIRD! :D

 

[Miz en Scène]

haha, nice try, but you're quite full of it.

The thread deals with what happens after Death. I only mentioned the Jihad thing in passing. Note the parenthesis that surrounds the part about Jihad. The main thing I tried to convey in that post was that suicide is not a viable option.

First off, the jihad you're describing (greater and lesser), is one that is only mentioned in an obscure hadith, one that isn't even considered authentic by many, if not most, Islamic clerics. In addition, it is the only mention of a greater and lesser jihad in Islamic texts.

I was hoping that this wouldn't be brought up but it seems that I have to counter. I used that because I was not actually debating with somebody. While it is true that it was based on an obscure Hadith, I support the notion that it is to a certain extent true. If I were in a serious debate, I would not use something that had no concrete evidence.

Secondly, if what you're saying is actually authentic, then the lesser, violent and outwardly jihad still exists, you cannot deny that. In addition, in that hadith Mohammed says, "after you have finished the lesser jihad, then you must go and do the greater jihad" (paraphrased). The greater jihad is to come after you have killed the infidels.

Since I'm not sure what Hadith you're referencing here I'll assume it's this one because it's controversial(among Islamic scholars) to say the least.

Upon his return from battle Muhammad said, "We have returned from the lesser jihad to the greater jihad (i.e. the struggle against the evil of one's soul)."

The Prohet Muhamad (PBUH), stated that he had returned from the lesser Jihad and is returning to the Greater Jihad. Supply me with the original Hadith if you want me to counter that instead.

But frankly, I think all that above is crap. Jihad by itself just means struggle, but in the Islamic context, it is always a violent, outwardly struggle. In addition, it isn't always defensive or in retaliation for something.

How did you make the assumption that Jihad is always a violent struggle? Take for instance, the fasting month of Ramadhan. During that period, every Muslim who fasts is in fact peforming Jihad as in struggling to control their temptation to eat(On a side note for those who fast, if you fast until you're close to hunger, it is advisable to eat because then it would be just like killing yourself. You may replace the fast on a different date after Ramadhan.).

Also, when you say it isn't always defensive, state an occurrence where it was not defensive or in retaliation.

Qur'an 5:33: "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter."

Mischief? Mischief makers can be crucified!

The Quran should not be taken literally without trying to understand the hidden meaning. When you say mischief, some translations replace the word mischief with evil. The word mischief is nowadays used to refer to lesser acts of evil such as a naughty boy pulling a girls hair. However, some dictionaries state that 'mischief' also means doing something evil. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/MISCHIEF

The verse states that those who try hard to cause evil should be punished. As I said, sometimes the Quran should not be taken literally without understanding it fully.

 

[Luck]

I believe in the one they call Jesus
I believe He died on Mount Calvary...

But yeah. I'm Christian. Heaven and Hell, Resurrection, etc.
Not Catholic. Get it right.

You've probably heard it before, So I won't explain the procedure right now. From a more objective view, isn't it better to believe in an afterlife, rather than not? In case there is, to ensure you're on the correct side of it? Just questions... I'm off to bed, and I want in on the Lunar Avian. Buenos Nachos.

Using Pascals wager now, aren't we Moog?
I thought you were better than that.

 

[Yamikarasu]

My response to Pascal's wager: Yeah, because your god cares more about whether or not I chose the right religion than whether or not I was a good person. The vanity of this god ceases to amaze me. >_>

But this thread isn't making sense, so in that case, I'm a devout Pastafarian.

 

[♣Gawain♣]

In Christianity, we will go to Purgatory, or that is what they say. The "souls" will wait until "Judgment Day" arrives.

In Buddhist, they will undergo "Nirvana" and resurrect. That's what they say.

But personally, I think we will become another someone almost immediately after death. Not religiously based bias.

 

[Åzurε]

On the Pascal bit:

Firstly, I didn't know it existed as a wikipedia article. =/

Secondly, according to said article, God's existence could not be determined by reason, which is something I strongly disagree with after seeing so many examples in which denying the existence of a higher power is simply absurd.

Thirdly, Why do you call me cheap or what have you for suggesting this? Is it an unreasonable question?

Finally, I was half asleep when I posted that anyway, hence the hymn lyrics. :P And I would study this further, but I have to get off now. I'll probably reply again in a while. Please don't degrade this discussion as things of this sort tend to kinda die easily... I'll comment on your comment later, Yamikarasu.

 

[Luck]

On the Pascal bit:

Firstly, I didn't know it existed as a wikipedia article. =/

Secondly, according to said article, God's existence could not be determined by reason, which is something I strongly disagree with after seeing so many examples in which denying the existence of a higher power is simply absurd.

tl;dr
Pascals Wager is basically believing in god just because there is nothing to lose and everything to gain. So when you use

isn't it better to believe...to ensure you're on the correct side of it?

it gives waves that you are using Pascals Wager. I'll show you why that is a completely half assed argument if you want.

And using natural items to prove the existence of a supernatural being isn't that reasonable to me, but that is just me :\


At least someone in this thread was touched by his noodely appendage. There will be strippers and beer volcanoes for us when we die.

 

[Åzurε]

I didn't know about this dude's background. You are absolutely right in saying believing in things like this as a just-in-case is stupid. I believe it's condemned in the Bible too... I was wrong in what I was conveying. A proper faith in Christianity should be one where you consider Paradise serendipity.

Also, on nature as examples of God, why shouldn't it be? I've been studying biology for a while, and life is too complex to have just "evolved", or appeared. Even if the simplest amino acid were to form randomly, in a random movement environment with nothing but the necessary components, the probability of abiogenesis is roughly the same as drawing a royal flush in poker 19 times in a row. Without exchanging cards. This severely nerfing the reality factor anyway, because there would be more than the correct proteins floating around anyway. In addition to other problems I'd happily expand upon...

At least someone in this thread was touched by his noodely appendage. There will be strippers and beer volcanoes for us when we die.

Lol wut?

 

[Luck]

Also, on nature as examples of God, why shouldn't it be? I've been studying biology for a while, and life is too complex to have just "evolved", or appeared. Even if the simplest amino acid were to form randomly, in a random movement environment with nothing but the necessary components, the probability of abiogenesis is roughly the same as drawing a royal flush in poker 19 times in a row. Without exchanging cards. This severely nerfing the reality factor anyway, because there would be more than the correct proteins floating around anyway. In addition to other problems I'd happily expand upon...

The problem is that you just happen to choose a god, and it just so happens that it is usually the one that children are raised to believe. If I chose to believe in any god, it would be the Deist one since they don't claim knowledge of their creator in any way, shape, or form. They just think that a creator got the ball rolling.
Also, how life got here is random. How life evolved is not random.
Big difference, and I thought you should know that ^^

Lol wut?

If you knew about the book of the FSM, then you would understand us completely.

 

[Feign]

Let's see... XD

Well I am a Deist myself so I don't believe in Heaven or Hell, but I do believe in a God.

How does that make sense? Well I believe we end up in his Kingdom (for lack of a better name). That being said (to make this further make sense), I believe that morality is a human condition, and that Fate is non-existent...

There I hope that makes my views somewhat more understandable. XD