Serious Would you cross the picket line?

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    For some of you out there, you might be apart of a labor union. Over the course of your career, your Union may go on strike to get the bargain that benefits all members. Question is, would you honor the picket line or cross it? If you were to cross it, why would you do so? An example I have hits close to home in that my mother is about to go on strike(HS Teacher) and they intend to pay subs $400/day if a Strike happens. Do the math and that equates to $104k/year when the average teacher is lucky to make half that. Kind of insulting if you ask me but would you take that offer if given to you?
     
    I find it highly unlikely that I would betray union workers by crossing the picket lines, especially teaching unions. NZ is getting ready for a 'mega strike' across the primary & high school divisions of teaching, fighting for better division of labour in an educational system fucked by neoliberalism, and they will get enough of a beating in the media by self-entitled exploitation apologists that it would be unthinkable for me to contribute to that beatdown.
     
    As a teacher myself ( ALT = Assistant Language Teacher ) I would probably cross, not because I agree or disagree with the strike, but because of how it would impact the children. Shutting down the school if enough subs are not found would force the children to stay home, for many that means staying home by themselves all day if a parent can not afford to get the days off work and can not find a sitter. That and having a sub take over for classes at a moment's notice could dramatically impact their education, as the sub is forced to play catch-up and get to know the class.
     
    I honestly think teachers expect too much these days.. But so does the state.. and politicians.. interest groups.. and regulations.. and parents.. and media.. I honestly think it is no longer about the children and more about the adults being able to make a comfortable living. I think we need to remove more regulation pertaining to how children are taught and what makes it overly expensive to run- all the while giving parents more choices over how their children are taught. Otherwise I support homeschooling more and more these days.. Too many falsehoods being promised to ignorant children who grow up confused and angry as adults over what they said and what reality says but that's a separate issue I suppose.

    I can understand a teacher trying to perhaps pay their loans? Then there's the whole issue with why education is so expensive now (government handouts = more money = more expensive tuition).. Maybe the issue isn't that the teachers are being underpayed- but rather that the government needs to stop giving the schools a reason to increase their prices- they cannot force them to lower as that goes against economics.. They need to stop giving free school and let those who want it- earn it and pay the true value. I honestly wouldn't join a union if I can avoid it- of course this sort of contradictory of me saying this when I am in process of joining an electrical union but at least they're going to train me along the way and give me a reason to support and be loyal to them. There are certain areas where unions can be beneficial but in something as convoluted as education- I think unions might not be a good idea. I could be wrong, but for example the unions with the city's federal employees being entitled to ridiculous amounts of pay and days off is ludicrous as it only takes away from the tax-payer and burdens everyone else. In this case I think it's just burdening the children more- although the children are being burdened by something more broader.
     
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    I honestly think teachers expect too much these days.. But so does the state.. and politicians.. interest groups.. and regulations.. and parents.. and media.. I honestly think it is no longer about the children and more about the adults being able to make a comfortable living. I think we need to remove more regulation pertaining to how children are taught and what makes it overly expensive to run- all the while giving parents more choices over how their children are taught. Otherwise I support homeschooling more and more these days.. Too many falsehoods being promised to ignorant children who grow up confused and angry as adults over what they said and what reality says but that's a separate issue I suppose.

    I can understand a teacher trying to perhaps pay their loans? Then there's the whole issue with why education is so expensive now (government handouts = more money = more expensive tuition).. Maybe the issue isn't that the teachers are being underpayed- but rather that the government needs to stop giving the schools a reason to increase their prices- they cannot force them to lower as that goes against economics.. They need to stop giving free school and let those who want it- earn it and pay the true value. I honestly wouldn't join a union if I can avoid it- of course this sort of contradictory of me saying this when I am in process of joining an electrical union but at least they're going to train me along the way and give me a reason to support and be loyal to them.

    K-12 Education, at least in California but I would imagine its similar or the same in other states, is built in a very top heavy hierarchy. You have the State that sends funds to the Counties within the state. I live in Alameda County which has numerous Districts within it. Each District is headed by a Superintendent and each school has Principals, Assistant Principals to "run them". Tack on County and District Office personnel to do paper work and you got a huge bureaucracy. All of what I've just mentioned here is pure bureaucratic waste. Anything that is left is what makes it into the classroom, including what is paid to the Teachers.

    If I was to run for political office, it would be for one term with one goal in mind: To reform the living hell out of Education such that all that Bureaucracy is eliminated.
     
    K-12 Education, at least in California but I would imagine its similar or the same in other states, is built in a very top heavy hierarchy. You have the State that sends funds to the Counties within the state. I live in Alameda County which has numerous Districts within it. Each District is headed by a Superintendent and each school has Principals, Assistant Principals to "run them". Tack on County and District Office personnel to do paper work and you got a huge bureaucracy. All of what I've just mentioned here is pure bureaucratic waste. Anything that is left is what makes it into the classroom, including what is paid to the Teachers.

    If I was to run for political office, it would be for one term with one goal in mind: To reform the living hell out of Education such that all that Bureaucracy is eliminated.
    Would you be open to privatizing majority of the educational sector? I honestly think leaving it to the free market wouldn't be such a bad idea.. I don't know why we as a country see it necessary to complete education in an XYZ manner.. If we just let entrepreneurs innovate and cut through the old system, education can become more competitive and better for the children. It would cause the ones that don't work well to go to dust and those that succeed prosper. Money talks as they say.
     
    Would you be open to privatizing majority of the educational sector? I honestly think leaving it to the free market wouldn't be such a bad idea.. I don't know why we as a country see it necessary to complete education in an XYZ manner.. If we just let entrepreneurs innovate and cut through the old system, education can become more competitive and better for the children. It would cause the ones that don't work well to go to dust and those that succeed prosper. Money talks as they say.

    My plan, in theory, would be a private/public partnership. Namely Teachers would form Educational Cooperatives(think Dentists or Medical Professionals in Private practice) from which they'd rent their facilities from the local municipality(aka city). Rent funds would be used to maintain said facilities. Rest of the funds Teachers receive would go towards necessary supplies and salaries, of which Teachers would hire as much support staff as they would deem necessary(and they would obviously be paid less than what Teachers would make). How much Teachers make is up to them as they'd essentially be paid by the Student. What parents get from the state is dictated by what the State spends per pupil. In California's case, they spend on average $8700 a year(as of 2017). That comes to $725/month. Divide that by 6 classes and a Teacher would be charging ~$120/month for their services. 120 x 180 kids(5 classes of 36 each) = $21.6k a month. That's plenty of cash as I see it for Teachers to work with. Even if they took half of that for their own salary(which would be a substantial raise from what they make now), that's still a lot left over and all of that 21.6k reaches the classroom.
     
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    I would generally respect the picket line. It takes courage to jeopardize what you have, and put yourself out in the street for your beliefs or needs. In the case of a union they would definitely have my support. I am pro-union, and particular pro-educator. Both of my parents were teachers, and I have other loved ones working in the school system right now.

    The state I live in is ranked one of the very last in the entire country for childhood education. Our schools are so underfunded that the buildings are falling apart, the corriculum is unbelievably outdated, the school districts are openly gerrymandered, wages are generally low in my state and teacher's pay is particularly abysmal. If it takes walking around with a picket sign to see any institutional change then so be it. It might hurt for the short-term, but the long-term gains for parents, kids and their teachers are worth it. Things are not fine as they are.
     
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    idk, I'd think that the benefits a strike may bring are well worth the temporary issues it may cause....provided the strike pays off

    Would you be open to privatizing majority of the educational sector? I honestly think leaving it to the free market wouldn't be such a bad idea.. I don't know why we as a country see it necessary to complete education in an XYZ manner.. If we just let entrepreneurs innovate and cut through the old system, education can become more competitive and better for the children. It would cause the ones that don't work well to go to dust and those that succeed prosper. Money talks as they say.
    I really never understood why people think that letting organizations that exist only to make profit and have shown over their entire history (and still to this day) that they're willing to rape the population for that profit are the solution to things.
     
    idk, I'd think that the benefits a strike may bring are well worth the temporary issues it may cause....provided the strike pays off


    I really never understood why people think that letting organizations that exist only to make profit and have shown over their entire history (and still to this day) that they're willing to rape the population for that profit are the solution to things.

    Well they tend to be more in line with the market and contain real demand. You cannot let some people ruin it for everyone. Not saying it isn't ever an issue- but it has the potential to be easier managed from say monopolies. Socialism doesn't work either- in fact it tends to be worse. Look everywhere else. Look at California- at San Francisco. Government wiping our butts for us and providing everything free means lower quality and broken families. Families need strong providers who can take care of themselves and lead a household. Government intervening that natural process contributes to broken families. Shouldn't compare people making money to rape. That's like people calling critics Nazis who support the complete opposite of its definition.
     
    So today is Day 4 of the Strike with no end in sight. Honestly this might go well into August when the new School Year starts because the Union, in my opinion, miscalculated how unified they are along with how much leverage they actually have in negotiations. The other side or Admin know this, particularly because they've already gotten the money from the State for this School year and are basically playing the waiting game. Anything that might put pressure on them to negotiate is going to take weeks or months(which again they know) so it's a question as to whether Teachers have the resolve. I don't think they do when many young teachers live paycheck to paycheck and that's why I think this Strike is ultimately going to fail. No one wins in the end but I'm just looking at things realistically.

    Wish us luck as they say...
     
    Generally, no. My work insofar hasn't been unionised, so I'm going off of the years my mother has spent doing manual labour in factories in saying it's not worth your time.

    Her experience has been inconsequential snobbery from some for her lack of union membership, and evident uselessness of the union in the defence of people who have been made redundant. There was this guy at work who kept harassing her, and after filing a complaint with HR he was pretty much done. But not before the union added ten times the paperwork onto the task of his firing. Protip: be on good terms with your employers first and foremost!

    Some additional experience my family has (we're all working stiffs) was in the West Virginian coal mines. My maternal grandfather worked as a truck stop driver, and my paternal grandfather was a genuine coal miner. He just died recently of black lung. We have roots deeper in WV than anywhere else, so we all understand pretty well that the evaporation of coal jobs is why the state is a wasteland of drug addicts and malpractise suits. The unions never stopped pushing the envelope, and eventually forced the companies into strip mining. It's an embarrassment.

    From a different side of my family, my husband spent several years in San Francisco going to film school, and he has much better things to say about Hollywood's unions than I've ever heard elsewhere. The key difference is, they're trade guilds. The genesis of those organisations was unlike most unions in American history, as there was a purge of communism by the federal government around the time the big studios went under and restructured themselves for the new frontier of independent film production.
     
    Generally, no. My work insofar hasn't been unionised, so I'm going off of the years my mother has spent doing manual labour in factories in saying it's not worth your time.

    Her experience has been inconsequential snobbery from some for her lack of union membership, and evident uselessness of the union in the defence of people who have been made redundant. There was this guy at work who kept harassing her, and after filing a complaint with HR he was pretty much done. But not before the union added ten times the paperwork onto the task of his firing. Protip: be on good terms with your employers first and foremost!

    Some additional experience my family has (we're all working stiffs) was in the West Virginian coal mines. My maternal grandfather worked as a truck stop driver, and my paternal grandfather was a genuine coal miner. He just died recently of black lung. We have roots deeper in WV than anywhere else, so we all understand pretty well that the evaporation of coal jobs is why the state is a wasteland of drug addicts and malpractise suits. The unions never stopped pushing the envelope, and eventually forced the companies into strip mining. It's an embarrassment.

    From a different side of my family, my husband spent several years in San Francisco going to film school, and he has much better things to say about Hollywood's unions than I've ever heard elsewhere. The key difference is, they're trade guilds. The genesis of those organisations was unlike most unions in American history, as there was a purge of communism by the federal government around the time the big studios went under and restructured themselves for the new frontier of independent film production.

    There are downsides to Unions such as protecting bad apples from getting the axe but its that protection that makes Unions very valuable to have. What Unions needs to understand is that if you take too much, everyone loses. Those on the right that values Capitalism(which is me) argues that being able to hire and fire labor dictated by the flow of the market is the best way of doing things but it leaves out one glaring point. The job of the brass or ownership is to anticipate or have plans in place to weather the storm without having to sacrifice labor in the process. My own Father witnessed this in the Semiconductor industry where the top brass would get a golden parachute or get big fat bonuses after laying off workers because they improved the bottom line. Basically they don't suffer the consequences for their mistakes and that is the crux of the issue in my mother's strike right now. This strike has been brewing for years and the Teachers have basically given up a lot over the past decade or so(having to pay for Medical 100%, Furlough days, 1% payraises that don't even meet the rate of inflation) while Admin get 50%(over the past decade with "MeToo" clauses that inflate their salaries even more if Teachers get a raise) and Classified(aka Janitors) got 12% just this past year. It's blatant mismanagement of funds and yet there's no accountability because the School Board doesn't give a flying fuck and the process of removing them takes weeks/months, hence the reason why Admin are so smug or staunch in their refusal to give Teachers a fat raise.

    Its why I'm contemplating writing an Educational Reform bill to submit to my local representative to where the Educational Bureaucracy would be completely eliminated. With it gone, the money gets to where its needed and along with a policy change with regards to curriculum(no more Common Core crap that is being pushed as "Next Gen"), you might see a radical improvement in Education out here in California.
     
    No, not unless it was a hospital and I had an emergency?
     
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    I'm not really sure where I would stand on this issue. Quite candidly, I need to do more research as unions are not a thing where I live, since we're a "right to work" state. But here's what my thought process is at the moment.

    For a long time I was so inspired by my teachers that I wanted to become one. I wanted to teach history, my favorite subject, back when I was high school and told my favorite teachers at the time about my aspirations. They were very quick to sit me down and tell me that I should do something else that's higher paying first, like being a lawyer as one of the other teachers had done, before going to be a teacher, because they just don't make enough to survive. And that's a horrifying reality. Why are the educators of our future leaders, doctors, inventors, and more being paid peanuts? It just makes no sense and they definitely deserve more.

    But at the same time, it's hard to justify punishing the students. I mean sure, I know when I was back in high school I'd always be down for a day of less work, but in the long run that could've hurt me if I wasn't doing the necessary school work every day. Especially for like AP and IB students, or EOC classes, the students in these classes are required to pass a mandated exam. For EOC students in my state, they need to pass it in order to graduate. And for AP and IB students, they need to pass it with a score of 3 out of 5 at least for some form of college credit. In both these cases, not crossing the picket line could really hurt these students' futures. And even though the other classes may not have mandatory exams like those, they're still important for creating the foundations for future education and classes that could determine their futures.

    So I'm just not sure.
     
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