Your View of God

FreakyLocz14 said:
That's impossible. Nothing existed before God did.
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How are you so certain?

Here's another thought: What if the universe itself is God, and every atom, every molecule, every cell is a tiny part of one entity?
 
Jay_37040 said:


How are you so certain?

Here's another thought: What if the universe itself is God, and every atom, every molecule, every cell is a tiny part of one entity?
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The universe was created by God.

How am I so sure? I'm not. No one can be sure either way. This, my friend, is called faith.
 
And the very nature of faith is that you are believing in something without proof or good reason. If there was a solid reason to believe in God, the need for faith would be removed.
 
FreakyLocz14 said:
The universe was created by God.

How am I so sure? I'm not. No one can be sure either way. This, my friend, is called faith.
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Then it's appropriate to insert the words "I believe" before your statement "The universe was created by God." By not using those two words before your statements is equal to stating a verifiable fact, which you acknowledge you cannot do.

All belief is prejudiced and is affected by our own point of view. Belief rarely reflects reality. Another word for faith is hope.
 
I have noticed some repeated themes in this discussion. The most disturbing of which to me is that a lot of people believe that in order for something to be created it must have therefore had a "creator" This is just simply not the case. Many things come into being via various scientific methods e.g. photosynthesis, but have no designated "creator".

Also I think the fact that no one has had a documented legitimate encounter with any beings claiming to be god or otherwise in the last 2000 years would be proof enough for what I believe to be an educated society. Also ironically if it ever did happen to anyone, they would be labelled as a blasphemer by at least one if not all the major religions and dismissed as insane.

You can never win, this argument will be raging long into the future as it has in the past. And until any hard evidence is presented I'm not buying it.
 
Houndoomed said:
Also I think the fact that no one has had a documented legitimate encounter with any beings claiming to be god or otherwise in the last 2000 years would be proof enough for what I believe to be an educated society. Also ironically if it ever did happen to anyone, they would be labelled as a blasphemer by at least one if not all the major religions and dismissed as insane.
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Actually, there are numerous people who have claimed that they have seen God or recieved messages from him, but they have been dismissed as lunatics/psychos by the fellow communities (ironically usually religious communities).

"How many must believe in the same imaginary friend for it to be tax exempt?"
 
Minishcap said:
Actually, there are numerous people who have claimed that they have seen God or recieved messages from him, but they have been dismissed as lunatics/psychos by the fellow communities (ironically usually religious communities).

"How many must believe in the same imaginary friend for it to be tax exempt?"
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That's exactly what I meant, you reiterated what I had said. I stated that no LEGITIMATE one has occurred, legitimate referring to something that everyone agrees on to be true and undisputed around the world. For example no one would deny that Japan suffered an earthquake because it was experience by enough people and documented. Unfortunately these "sightings" have never happened to a large enough group of people to be considered tangible. Funny that.

I agree with your last quote also.

Zeus
 
I'm iffy on the subject. I follow no religion and don't have any ties with any church or other place of worship. But I'm not convinced there's nothing beyond what we know. That being said, I'm not convinced there IS anything beyond either. I lean towards the idea that there might be, but I'm not sure if any of us, including religious and atheists alike, truly knows what it is.
 
The problem I have with religion is this...

Which one is correct? The first ever created religion, or the most recently created religion? Or is is some version in between the above two? I've tried a few, Luthren, Baptist, and Methodist. Im Agnostic now and that is, really, the most neutral belief to ever exist.

Also, that quote is the funniest thing I heard all day. So I might as well add another.

"When I talk to God it's called prayer. When God talks to me it's called Schizophrenia."
 
I believe that the universe was created by God. I believe that those who accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior will go to Heaven. I believe that those who do not will burn in Hell.

Those are my beliefs. None of them can be either proven or disproven.
 
Im sorry, but that is the exact reason why I have a issue with Christianity.

Basicly, if you don't believe in him then you will be sent into a pit full of fire and pain where you will suffer for ever and ever until the end of time. But, he loves you.

Is it just me or does it seem that pain is a strange way to express love? Unless you get off on pain, its not really a good showing of love.
 
Mr. X said:
Im sorry, but that is the exact reason why I have a issue with Christianity.

Basicly, if you don't believe in him then you will be sent into a pit full of fire and pain where you will suffer for ever and ever until the end of time. But, he loves you.

Is it just me or does it seem that pain is a strange way to express love? Unless you get off on pain, its not really a good showing of love.
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Ngl this is a thought I often have. It's one of the reasons why I prefer to think that a God exists, but we can't claim to know anything about how He works or what He expects of us.

Perhaps if, hypothetically, something similar to what Freakylocz14 was talking about happened, it's His way of showing us that the way of the Lord will bring happiness, and therefore could be seen as an expression of love anyway? Idk just taking guesses here. I think it'd make sense.
 
Mr. X said:
Im sorry, but that is the exact reason why I have a issue with Christianity.

Basicly, if you don't believe in him then you will be sent into a pit full of fire and pain where you will suffer for ever and ever until the end of time. But, he loves you.

Is it just me or does it seem that pain is a strange way to express love? Unless you get off on pain, its not really a good showing of love.
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Christ's love was expressed in his act of dying to atone for your sins. This atonement is what saves believers. Those who don't believe are rejecting the free gift of forgiveness.
 
Mr. X said:
Im sorry, but that is the exact reason why I have a issue with Christianity.

Basicly, if you don't believe in him then you will be sent into a pit full of fire and pain where you will suffer for ever and ever until the end of time. But, he loves you.

Is it just me or does it seem that pain is a strange way to express love? Unless you get off on pain, its not really a good showing of love.
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Why are you just pointing out Christianity? if you don't follow x religion then you will go to hell. Jehovah's Witnesses say only a select few of believers will go to paradise while everyone else is stuck on earth suffering the apocalypse.
 
People just need something to believe in, its like Santa Clause for kids... While I am certain there is no god, everything has a beginning. Most people have faith, they believe if its here something must have created it So it must be GOD. However I don't see it that way. But take for instance this Bulletin Board, someone created it. If you never visted PC and a friend told you about it would you believe it(Have Faith)? or try to prove it exists. What if you could not find it(Your friend gave you the wrong web address)? Does that mean it doesn't exist? Obviously no. But this is a material thing it exists inside the realm of possibility. However GOD does not. Even if you wanted to prove he existed how would you? Can anyone really part a Sea just cause they have the power of GOD on their side? This is why it's hard to prove he exists because if he does then he would live in the realm of possibility and therefore cannot do impossible(Supernatural)things that defy gravity, law of physics etc.. People will have their faith and continue to support GOD and follow their beliefs, but why shouldn't they? If he does exist then their probably going to heaven after death. If he doesn't then it doesn't matter. God is a way for people to cope with the unexplainable the strange and death. There is no doubt that weird things can happen. But one thing I do not believe in is GOD, GHOSTS, GOBLINS or anything Supernatural...

Oh and the commandment I. Thou shalt have no other god before me
This never sat well with me, how could a loving god be so selfish. How can you demand people to love and worship you and if they don't they go in an eternal pit of fire.. Doesn't seem quite fair. Then again Is this even the case? Were't humans made before hell? I know the answer is yes, because the story of Lucifer began because he didn't wanna be our servants. Although I don't think not believing in God makes you go to directly to hell. I believe its something to do with if you don't believe your not pure and therefore Lucifer gets your soul or some junk like that... But if you believe hell exists then why not believe in heaven... Ugh its complicated issue that will always raise more questions than answers and that to me is why I cannot believe in heaven because it seems like one big lie to scare kids into being good that got outta control...
 
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People need a reason to live. Their raison d'etre. Most people find theirs in a belief in the afterlife: that after they die physically, they will still be able to live on in another existence. Their concept of the afterlife changing depending on denomination, but usually resulting in a paradise like state that is only accessible when one's life is committed to good acts in the name of their denomination.

My reason for living is the Internet, anime, and other silly worldly desires. Being a former Catholic, I've accepted that there is no afterlife, and if there is, purgatory/hell can't be that bad since I have already died and thus have no need for mortal concepts such as "feel". Thus, I do not feel any kind of spiritual connection with any kind of god. Besides, if he is truly all forgiving as his second testament claims, then I should have no worries if I've seen the errors of my ways. Of course, I'm not going to let a "if" after I die hold me back in how I live my life now. Of course, this doesn't mean I am without morals. Because, you know, it's called not being a dick?
 
jpp8 said:
People need a reason to live. Their raison d'etre. Most people find theirs in a belief in the afterlife: that after they die physically, they will still be able to live on in another existence. Their concept of the afterlife changing depending on denomination, but usually resulting in a paradise like state that is only accessible when one's life is committed to good acts in the name of their denomination.

My reason for living is the Internet, anime, and other silly worldly desires. Being a former Catholic, I've accepted that there is no afterlife, and if there is, purgatory/hell can't be that bad since I have already died and thus have no need for mortal concepts such as "feel". Thus, I do not feel any kind of spiritual connection with any kind of god. Besides, if he is truly all forgiving as his second testament claims, then I should have no worries if I've seen the errors of my ways. Of course, I'm not going to let a "if" after I die hold me back in how I live my life now. Of course, this doesn't mean I am without morals. Because, you know, it's called not being a dick?
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If I recall correctly all we need to do is ask God for forgiveness before we die and then we'll go to heaven.

Also; if we do go to hell, we do feel pain. I'm not sure how it works but it sounds pretty serious business.
 
Zet said:

If I recall correctly all we need to do is ask God for forgiveness before we die and then we'll go to heaven.
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I don't know about others, but I won't do this. I would be betraying myself and what I believe in. I'll be atheist until the end.
 
Zet said:

If I recall correctly all we need to do is ask God for forgiveness before we die and then we'll go to heaven.
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I think that's a bit of a cop-out. Firstly, I think ignoring something your whole life and then expecting full benefits for jumping on it at the last minute is selfish. Secondly, a certain percentage of people aren't going to know when they'll die.

If people are going to treat it like insurance, then there should be a waiting period (between signing up and being covered).

Agnosticism is probably the best word for my belief. I don't think we can say either way, as there's no proof or argument that can persuade me either way (assuming you can't disprove the existence of something if any location is possible). As such, I work on the theory that there isn't and I am not remotely superstitious.

That said, I do envy (not the right word at ALL, lol) those people with a sense of belonging and higher purpose from religion. I also respect any beliefs that other people may have.
 
i never had a view of God TBH..but when i try to think God gave us love..so i see god in the love between people..god wants us to be honest to each other..so i see god in every truth i say..god always care about me and give me strength..i saw God in every weak poit i reach and every hard time i face also God,forgive us so i have to forgive too....God gave us lots of good beautiful things..while we keep doing the bad things by ourselves...we made war,lies hatred and evil..these by human...so God is Happiness and peace ^^
 
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