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    -Avalugg w/Leftovers
    Nature: Impish
    Ability: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Attack
    Moves: Avalanche, Recover, Rapid Spin, Earthquake

    252+ Atk Dragonite Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 86-102 (21.8 - 25.8%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
    4 Atk Avalugg Avalanche vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 308-366 (95 - 112.9%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

    Ice table wins.
     

    Chocolate™

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  • Charizard w/ Charizardite Y.
    Nature: Modest.
    Ability: Drought.
    EVs: 252 Atck, 252 Speed, 4 HP.
    Moves: Fire Blast, Air Slash, Solar Beam, Focus Blast.

    252+ SpA Mega Charizard Y Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Avalugg: 614-724 (155.8 - 183.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    252+ SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Avalugg in Sun: 1268-1494 (321.8 - 379.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    4 Atk Avalugg Avalanche vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 183-216 (61.4 - 72.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    Charizard easily brings it down to 1 HP with FB and then kills with Air Slash.
     

    PlatinumDude

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  • Charizard w/ Charizardite Y.
    Nature: Modest.
    Ability: Drought.
    EVs: 252 Atck, 252 Speed, 4 HP.
    Moves: Fire Blast, Air Slash, Solar Beam, Focus Blast.

    252+ SpA Mega Charizard Y Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Avalugg: 614-724 (155.8 - 183.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    252+ SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Avalugg in Sun: 1268-1494 (321.8 - 379.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    4 Atk Avalugg Avalanche vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 183-216 (61.4 - 72.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    Charizard easily brings it down to 1 HP with FB and then kills with Air Slash.

    Correction: when Avalugg uses Avalanche as Charizard Y switches in, this is what happens:

    4 Atk Avalugg Avalanche vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 93-109 (31.2 - 36.5%) -- 65.5% chance to 3HKO

    That's because Avalanche only doubles in power if Avalugg gets hit by an attack.

    As a result, Charizard Y is a check, not a counter, to a full-health Avalugg. While it can switch in to Earthquake and Avalanche on a full-health Avalugg, if it takes a hit from the latter and brings Avalugg down to 1 HP (via Sturdy), Avalugg can KO back with the boosted Avalanche.

    Anyway:

    Snorlax:
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    -Body Slam
    -Earthquake
    -Fire Punch
    -Crunch
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 Atk/252 SDef/4 Spe
    Item:Assault Vest
    Ability: Thick Fat

    All of Charizard Y's attacks can't even 2HKO Snorlax while Snorlax 2HKOs back with Body Slam.
     
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    Machamp (M) @ Choice Band
    Trait: No Guard
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Bullet Punch
    - Dynamic Punch
    - Ice Punch
    - Stone Edge

    Could withstand an attack or two from Snorlax, then Dynamic Punch its way.
     

    Nah

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    -Cofagrigus w/Leftovers
    Nature: Bold
    Ability: Mummy
    EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Sp.Attack
    Moves: Shadow Ball, Will-o-Wisp, Rest, Knock Off

    Can take a few Stone Edges, then burns Machamp (which is easy enough to do because of No Guard). After that, just takes a nap while Machamp's HP slowly decreases.
     

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    Houndoom @ Life Orb
    Nature: Timid
    Ability: Flash Fire
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    - Dark Pulse
    - Fire Blast
    - Nasty Plot
    - Hidden Power Fighting

    Shadow Ball is a 5HKO, Knock Off is an 8HKO, and Houndoom is immune to burn. This is a battle Cofagrigus has no chance in winning.

    252 SpA Life Orb Houndoom Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Cofagrigus: 291-346 (90.9 - 108.1%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
    4 SpA Cofagrigus Shadow Ball vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Houndoom: 50-59 (17.1 - 20.2%) -- possible 5HKO
     
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    Conkeldurr (M) @ Assault Vest
    Ability: Guts
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
    Adamant Nature
    - Knock Off
    - Drain Punch
    - Mach Punch
    - Ice Punch

    Knocks Houndoom down pretty easily with either Mach or Drain Punch.

    252 SpA Life Orb Houndoom Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Conkeldurr: 196-231 (47.3 - 55.7%) -- 79.3% chance to 2HKO

    252+ Atk Conkeldurr Drain Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Houndoom: 492-582 (168.4 - 199.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252+ Atk Conkeldurr Mach Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Houndoom: 264-312 (90.4 - 106.8%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
     

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    -Sylveon w/Leftovers
    Nature: Bold
    Ability: Pixilate
    EVs: 252 HP, 244 Defense, 12 Sp.Attack
    Moves: Hyper Voice, Wish, Protect, Toxic

    Not even Conkeldurr's burly arms and concrete pillars can smash this Sylveon:

    252+ Atk Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 244+ Def Sylveon: 90-107 (22.8 - 27.1%) -- 52% chance to 4HKO
    252+ Atk Conkeldurr Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 244+ Def Sylveon: 67-80 (17 - 20.3%) -- possible 5HKO

    12 SpA Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Conkeldurr: 260-308 (62.8 - 74.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
     

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    Escavalier @ Assault Vest
    Nature: Adamant
    Ability: Swarm
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Sp.Def
    - Megahorn
    - Iron Head
    - Pursuit
    - Drill Run

    Conkeldurr might not be able to smash the fluttering Sylveon, but Escavalier will.

    252+ Atk Escavalier Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 244+ Def Sylveon: 282-332 (71.5 - 84.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

    12 SpA Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Escavalier: 44-52 (12.7 - 15.1%) -- possible 7HKO
     

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  • Primeape, Adamant @ Sitrus Berry
    Ability: Vital Spirit
    EVs: 252 Atk/252 Sp. Def/6 HP
    Brick Break, Taunt, U-Turn, Thunderpunch

    If there's one thing I don't like, it's the phrase "Nothing can beat this". Vital Spirit nulls your sleep mechanic, while Taunt prevents you from getting too far setup. Throw in a resistance to Dark-type and a Sitrus Berry to keep Primeape in a little longer if need be.

    Primeape switches in after the previous pokemon gets put to sleep (likely when you'll set up sub).

    252 SpA Darkrai Dark Pulse vs. 6 HP / 252 SpD Primeape: 66-78 (24.2 - 28.6%) -- 99.2% chance to 4HKO

    252 Atk Primeape Brick Break vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Darkrai: 234-276 (83.2 - 98.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
     
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    Reuniclus @ Life Orb
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
    Ability: Magic Guard
    Nature: Bold
    • Calm Mind
    • Psychic
    • Focus Blast
    • Recover

    Defeats Primeape with one Psychic attack. Calm Mind's there so that it could gain some special-based stats boost whenever it needs to, and with Recover, it could restore itself whenever its health is down.

    4 SpA Life Orb Reuniclus Psychic vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Primeape: 304-359 (111.7 - 131.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252+ Atk Primeape U-turn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Reuniclus: 126-150 (29.7 - 35.3%) -- 24% chance to 3HKO
     

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    Escavalier @ Assault Vest
    Nature: Adamant
    Ability: Swarm
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Sp.Def
    - Megahorn
    - Iron Head
    - Pursuit
    - Drill Run

    The bug knight strikes again! totally didn't just c/p'd from the last page.

    252+ Atk Escavalier Megahorn vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Reuniclus: 384-452 (90.5 - 106.6%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

    4 SpA Life Orb Reuniclus Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Escavalier: 88-104 (25.5 - 30.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
    4 SpA Life Orb Reuniclus Psychic vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Escavalier: 49-58 (14.2 - 16.8%) -- possible 6HKO
     

    Nah

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    -Charizard w/Charizardite Y
    Nature: Modest
    Ability: Blaze--->Drought
    EVs: 252 Sp.Attack, 252 Speed, 4 Defense
    Moves: Flamethrower, Solar Beam, Dragon Pulse, Focus Blast

    That Assault Vest isn't as flame retardant as Escavalier would like:

    252+ SpA Charizard Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Escavalier: 372-436 (108.1 - 126.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
     
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    Chansey (F) @ Evolution Stone
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 252 HP / 248 SDef / 8 Spd
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Wish
    - Thunder Wave
    - Seismic Toss
    - Heal Bell

    Since this is a special-attacker, it gets completely walled. Then, it cripples Charizard with Thunder Wave and takes it down slowly with Seismic Toss.

    252+ SpA Mega Charizard Y Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 248+ SpD Eviolite Chansey: 158-186 (22.4 - 26.4%) -- 16% chance to 4HKO
    Chansey Seismic Toss vs. 4 HP Mega Charizard Y: 100-100 (33.5 - 33.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
     

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    Ursaring @ Toxic Orb
    Ability: Guts
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
    Nature: Adamant
    - Close Combat
    - Crunch
    - Facade
    - Protect

    It's unfortunate that Physical is the bane of Chansey. It's also unfortunate that Mama-bear here is great at it.

    252+ Atk Guts Ursaring Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Chansey: 1470-1730 (208.8 - 245.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    Chansey Seismic Toss vs. 252 HP Ursaring: 100-100 (26 - 26%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after toxic damage
     
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  • Scizor (M) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Bullet Punch
    - U-turn
    - Superpower
    - Pursuit

    252+ Atk Guts Ursaring Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Scizor: 215-253 (62.5 - 73.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
    252+ Atk Guts Ursaring Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Scizor: 187-221 (54.3 - 64.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    252+ Atk Choice Band Scizor Superpower vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Ursaring: 546-644 (142.1 - 167.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
     

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    Zapdos@Leftovers
    248 hp / 164 Def / 96 Speed
    Bold Nature
    Trait: Pressure
    - Discharge
    - Toxic
    - Substitute
    - Roost

    Walls you indefinitely and resists everything bar Pursuit which doesnt do much lol.
     
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  • Steelix (M) @Leftovers
    252 HP / 220 Atk / 36 Def
    Bold Nature
    Trait: Sturdy

    -Sandstorm
    -Curse
    -Rock Blast
    -Toxic

    Resists all attacks by Zapdos, sets up sandstorm to counter leftovers recovery, boosts with curse to guarantee sub destruction with Rock Blast (1 boost with Bold nature breaks a sub with 2 hits and could do a 2HKO with 5 hits). Oh, and because of roost recovery and PP stall, he sneaks in Toxic.


    EDIT3: TL;DR: dat big bird got some worm problems.
     
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    PlatinumDude

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  • Steelix (M) @Leftovers
    252 HP / 220 Atk / 36 Def
    Bold Nature
    Trait: Sturdy

    -Sandstorm
    -Curse
    -Rock Blast
    -Toxic

    Resists all attacks by Zapdos, sets up sandstorm to counter leftovers recovery, boosts with curse to guarantee sub destruction with Rock Blast (1 boost with Bold nature breaks a sub with 2 hits and could do a 2HKO with 5 hits). Oh, and because of roost recovery and PP stall, he sneaks in Toxic.

    Why Bold when you use physical attacks? That's pointless. Also, Defense-boosting natures and Curse are redundant; Steelix needs more specially defensive investment to patch up its exposed Special Defense. And an unSTABed Rock Blast isn't that great without Skill Link.

    Anyway:

    Excadrill:
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    -Swords Dance
    -Earthquake
    -Iron Head
    -Rock Slide
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb
    Ability: Sand Rush

    (using the Battle Trozei sprite instead of the B/W sprite or the X/Y model because I can)

    Excadrill cares nothing about what Steelix can do; it benefits from Steelix's sandstorm, can take advantage of Curse turns by setting up Swords Dance and takes a pittance from Rock Blast.
     
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    Suicune @ Leftovers
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    • Calm Mind
    • Scald
    • Rest
    • Sleep Talk

    4 SpA Suicune Scald vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Excadrill: 224-266 (62 - 73.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    252+ Atk Life Orb Mold Breaker Excadrill Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 157-187 (38.8 - 46.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
    252+ Atk Life Orb Mold Breaker Excadrill Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 79-94 (19.5 - 23.2%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
     
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