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Serious 2020 Democratic Primaries

All I'm going to say that I probably agree with Nate Silver's implication in that this debate probably hasn't changed anyone's minds that weren't already made up to begin with. It was certainly entertaining, though! Especially the spanish-speaking parts!

To be honest though, Castro put on quite the impressive showing. I wonder if his poll numbers would reflect that.
 
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To be honest though, Castro put on quite the impressive showing. I wonder if his poll numbers would reflect that.

Not sure how his polling is right now as far as popularity but depending on which source you look at he either came out third in the debate or second-to-last. Given how good the showing was though and that iirc there was a jump in the people searching him up, I'm leaning more towards more people being happy with him or not. What is interesting is that both of those polls have Tulsi Gabbard #1 by a wide margin and Elizabeth Warren at second. I didn't expect her to be so popular really given that she hasn't exactly been considered much of a contender nor did she get as much talking time as many of the other participants.

Granted, this comes off of reading a single article very quickly after a quick search. When I look deeper into it what I find might be very different.
 
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I do want to point out that one should be very careful in regards to either reader polls or focus group polling. Seems like certain polls that cater to a particular demographic can be very misleading.

I'm going to hold off on the "who won" stuff and see if any of the more reputable pollsters come forth with any data.
 
That's always a danger to keep in mind with statistics in general really. Especially so with political polls, since people are liable to not always be particularly honest or objective about it.

Booker in particular was my least favourite,
why's that?
 
That's always a danger to keep in mind with statistics in general really. Especially so with political polls, since people are liable to not always be particularly honest or objective about it.


why's that?

There was no substance. He was pretty fluff and a lot of "hey guys, I'm black, vote for me." He also made several attempts to associate himself with Castro, I assume because Castro was actually doing well and he wanted to snag his voters if he dropped out.
 
If I were an American democrat supporter I'd probably vote for Tulsi. I have no clue how good her chances would be against Trump but I respect her firm anti-war stance. She seems pretty moderate and I'm not all that liberal to be honest. My one knock would be that out of everyone she sounded the most like someone who was reading off a script.
 
Concur with Adri. Biden's a republican's democrat.
He is not for student loan forgiveness and taxing those who have the most. Biden actually made it harder for people who were drowning in debt, and is unlikely to have voted for laws that Obama signed like the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility and Disclosure Act that shielded consumers from predatory lenders. Biden's true purpose on the ticket was to siphon votes from McCain. He did not align with Obama on a series of important issues like criminal justice reform, women's right to choose, the war in Iraq, the environment. There are enough policy-based reasons to reject him even without the disturbing allegations. Let's see if the candidates he's running against can bring that out in the next debate.
https://truthout.org/articles/millennials-are-the-most-indebted-generation-they-can-thank-joe-biden/

Speaking of debates, I watched the first debate last night. It was a good debate. I am getting ready for the next one in a few minutes. My thoughts on last night's show are that due in part to the large field of candidates the pacing meandered at times. I will be glad when the field gets cleared out more and things speed up. The questions were also very soft ball and allowed for too many heartwarming stories to be accepted as answers. Seldom did the moderators force candidates to answer questions, and they rarely brought up controversy like Cory Booker voting against Amy Klobuchar's bill to import drugs from Canada cheaper or accusations that Julian Castro did not properly investigate discrimination accusations under HUD.

There were still some interesting to watch moments here nonetheless, and I was able to pick up some valuable information.

It was helpful for me to hear Elizabeth Warren take an unequivocal stance on Medicare For All. There was some ambiguity as to where she stood on this position and if she was for the same approach as Bernie Sanders. Glad to hear that they do in fact have the very same position. She is all for it and specifically seeks to end private insurance as he does. Anyway I think she hit all the right notes tonight and made herself seem very progressive.

When Warren is not point blank asked a question she will not seize an opening, and as her questions were directed largely at the beginning and end she sat on the sidelines in the middle and didn't stand out to ne as much, but she started strong and closed strong. She sometimes seems a little tightly-wired, but hey, that is Warren. She is bringing great values to the debate nonetheless, and is not running away from the bold policies like breaking up big tech companies. She was alrightie, and still in the running for my vote.

Who I was pleasantly surprised by was Julian Castro. I had not previously considered him, and was watching for Warren, Gabbard and Inslee but I got to hand it to Castro for stealing the show in the middle. He brought a youthful vigor and was very fiery, while still looking presidential. He didn't run away from any questions nor was he afraid to call out his opponents on their differences. He was very on point. I think he was great on speaking about women's issues and lgbt rights. I initially had some concerns about how he did on housing as mayor, but I am willing to give him another look now that I know more about him.

Where Castro just shined above the rest was on the immigration topic. I was impressed by his willingness to talk about specific laws like repealing Section 1325-- that needs to go to bring us a more humane immigration system, let it be a civil offense. I was able to fully appreciate the contrast between Castro on this and O'Rourke. He just stomped O'Rourke.

The only thing that gives me some pause with Castro was when he said he wanted a marshall plan for Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador. I am all for giving asylum to those who seek it. I am not opposed to sending economic relief per say even, but what it sounds like he could be for is nation-building abroad, and I don't want to actually run another country's government. I am not Daenerys Targaryen. That may not be what he meant, but I am just curious for him to speak more about this. For now though I think he did a great job performing on the stage, and I think he was the winner of the debate personally. The media says it is Warren. I like Warren more overall but I think it was Castro actually who made the best showing.

O'Rourke was terrible. He looked frightened, scattered and was talking for a long time without saying anything. I would be alright if he was not for some of these things, i.e being against the Eisenhower year tax rates is not a deal breaker for me, you can say no. But he would just repeatedly not give answers in order to play both sides, and it wasn't subtle, after awhile nobody wants to hear any more rambling. I learned the least about his policies out of everyone in the debate, and do not care to know any more. I have heard enough.

Klobuchar by contrast I think is dry, but she looks competent at least unlike O'Rourke. I am not with her on the incrementalist policies, but I think she handled herself ok in the debate in terms or performance, she was assertive and pointed out that she and all of the women on the stage had similar backgrounds fighting for women's reproductive rights.

Booker does get a little platitude-driven, and can try too hard to be homey, but he gave some policy still, he talked about abolishing ICE and legislation he currently has in the senate on criminal justice reform. Where he lost me policy-wise was when he expressed reluctance to rejoin the Iran Nuclear Deal, and was talking about renegotiating it. That is too much of a politician's answer that could mean you would kill the deal like Trump is renegotiating it. This concerns me in conjunction with knowing that Booker voted for Trump's giant military budget, though it was not brought in this debate.

Just looking at his performance objectively I think he did good in that he was articulate and aggressive, he was not afraid to elbow his way in when a question was for someone else, and use it as opprtunity to share his views, like saying not enough, he would go even further on civil rights after Gabbard spoke, and laid it out. He's doing what he needs to do to try to come out near the top.

Delaney. I think was possibly the worst in the debate. He was not for almost any progressive policies. It isn't just that he is searching for the middle ground or bipartisan support. He just didn't have enough of his own ideas. I do not know why he is running. He looked weak, and when he was asked specifically for his views on impeachment of Trump, he just said he didn't know and he was sure Nancy Pelosi did, and he would trust her. He looked unqualified.

Tulsi I think started off average but got very good as the night went on. She looked calm and beautiful. She was given the least questions, and thus has to learn to push her way into the conversation when she is being ignored like the fellas in the room do. It was an awkward first attempt because she used the question about women's income and instead made a pitch for her campaign on ending the wars. I love her foreign policy but she missed the opportunity to broaden her demographics as this is yet another area where she is good on. She is a co-sponsor of the paycheck fairness act.

However, she found her footing when Ryan started saber rattling. I think real passion spontaneously came to the surface with Gabbard, she spoke out of turn and just took him down brutally the way Castro took down O'Rourke. She came across as someone strong who knew what she was talking about, and for him it was the opposite. I think she gave a good closing statement. I would say she gave a solid performance, not the winner, but came out showing potential I think.

On Ryan I think whatever platitudes he had about the working man got overshadowed by his foreign policy mistakes. He not only sounded like the most hawkish person there, but also seemed not knowledgeable, a dangerous combination. One of my least favorites.

De Blasio I responded to similarly to Castro. I had my reservations due to all of the problems with election integrity in the New York 2016 primary, and hearing him now talk about Russia as the biggest geopolitical threat makes him not seem credible to be as the person to fix our election system. But yes, he did a great job on the debate stage in all fairness. I have to be honest.

He was really a forceful presence that shook up the stage, had a commanding voice. He talked very progressively on every domestic policy from criminal justice to a medicare for all package that ends the private insurance industry. He was good at making it passionate without feeling like he was veering away from the substantive policy into anecdotes, while also making the case for being able to achieve his goals. He talked about what he had realized already in his city like the fight for 15.

Jay Inslee. I was always interested to know more about him because he is the climate change candidate in the race and the only person to get a perfect score from greenpeace, and was not taking corporate pac money. I'd vote for him. He looked dedicated and spoke well. Though climate change is the most central part of his campaign it was nice to hear where he falls on more issues like the way he was ready to accept the refugees and was not intimidated by Trump. He needed to do more of that though, as he isn't the only candidate with a good environmental record, so my advice would be to have more of a diversity of issues. But I kinda like him even if he wasn't the winner. It was a fair performance. Like de Blasio he talked about what he had accomplished, if not to the same extent as de Blasio. It way ay alright.

Anyway, the next debate is starting shortly and I can't wait. I better sign off and get to watching. I don't want to miss a word.
 
Watching creepy Joe get btfo'd repeatedly was very satisfying. Yang completely shit the bed. I've never seen someone roll over and accept defeat so quickly. Not that I had high hopes for him in the first place but he had the power of memes on his side. Safe to say that Kamala Harris won that debate. Still pulling for Tulsi out of all of them so far.
 
Kamala Harris - I think a lot of people would agree that she came out the strongest in this night's debate. Unfortunately I was having connection issues watching the stream the moment she roasted Biden, but honestly? I'm glad it finally happened. I don't consider myself a Harris supporter by any means but I welcome any chance to attack Biden. In short, she made Biden look weak and certainly out-of-touch and unappealing. Whether one likes Harris or not, she positioned herself as a candidate not to be messed with because she will and can drag.

The question being: will any candidate have the gall to drag Harris on her history as a prosecutor for denying trans-inmates surgery? That's essentially the biggest target on her back so far (and she's far too prison-friendly). Harris is certainly not without weakness despite how she comes across, so I'm wondering if there will be a moment where someone will call her out on that.

Sanders - I think he did okay. I don't think Sanders came off strong, but I don't think he came off weak, either. I think Sanders could've certainly done better; oftentimes he went off on tangents instead of directly answering the question given to him in particular. I think his closing argument however, was certainly pretty strong and gave voters a more or less convincing argument to vote for him. Essentially, he did about average when he could've had the spotlight shine on him, bit I wonder if that's because this field is too crowded and he's saving his much more memorable talking points for when the candidate field thins out.

Biden - Did terribly. And it was deserved in pretty much every way. I'm sure most people thought Biden was a risky candidate from the get-go, but this debate really showed it. There's just too much ammunition to hit Biden with that I'm not confident in the slightest that he'll last against Trump should he be picked for the nomination.

Buttigieg - He did fine. Unless I've missed something, he avoided getting into any scuffles or throwing any potshots entirely, which honestly might've been the best judgment call since he's still trying to build up his name recognition out there. Unfortunately for Pete, playing it constantly safe makes him seem rather boring and milquetoast as a result. He's definitely good at delivering articulate responses to questions given to him so it's obvious he's a polished interviewee, but at some point he's going to have to tussle with some of the bigger names out there, and I'm wondering how he'll respond.

Williamson - I had no idea who she was before today, but it's safe to say that she was the meme for the night for sure! I stan someone who embraces love to defeat Trump.

Andrew Yang - Can someone remind me what is so special about Yang? He didn't stand out in this debate at all, nor offered anything new or interesting. I understand that he wants to give everyone essentially free money which is a dream come true, but I was instantly on the doubt train once he was pressed more on how to accomplish that. In short, I don't think he's going very far if at all. Maybe I'm just not generally understanding his appeal?

Everyone else I pretty much forgot about as soon as the debate was over.
 
Andrew Yang - Can someone remind me what is so special about Yang? He didn't stand out in this debate at all, nor offered anything new or interesting. I understand that he wants to give everyone essentially free money which is a dream come true, but I was instantly on the doubt train once he was pressed more on how to accomplish that. In short, I don't think he's going very far if at all. Maybe I'm just not generally understanding his appeal?

Nothing. He got a bit of buzz because of meme culture but he didn't have the charisma to keep up the momentum. His showing was pretty pathetic.
 
My thoughts on the debate are probably pretty well lined up with everyone else's.

Kamala Harris: Absolutely dominated the debate. There is no question at all that she won the debate even without her tactical nuke to Biden, but I enjoyed that very much and I think it boosted her even further ahead. She gave clear and concise answers to questions, didn't take shit from anyone and wasn't afraid to actually debate, carried herself very well and had an answer for everything. I'm not her number one fan because she's too friendly with Israel, but I think she actually stands the best chance of coming out in front against Trump because of her fire, oration and ability to control a debate.

Bernie Sanders: I really like Bernie. His policy and his drive resonate really strongly with me and if you guys don't want him I'd love for him to suddenly develop a desire to move to Australia lmao. That being said, a recurring problem with Bernie is that he isn't strong in a debate. As passionate as he is, he often goes off on tangents that don't answer the questions as well as they should and he isn't an amazingly skilled orator. He handled himself reasonably well in the debate and certainly didn't lose any ground, but it wasn't a strong and commanding showing like Harris had either.

Joe Biden: He's a centrist that could just as easily be in the Republican party as the Democrats and his "left" ideas and his campaign are motivated a lot more by a desire to be President than they are a desire to do well for the US or the world. So I found it very satisfying to see him floundering. He struggled to answer some of the questions, didn't put on a strong showing and wasn't even able to handle the, frankly, petty attack from Swalwell early on well let alone hold any ground when Kamala Harris got to him.

Eric Swalwell: He was utterly terrible for the entirety of the first half. His interruptions were irritating and everything he said lacked substance. His attack against Biden has me torn because on the one hand it was a solid point against Biden but it also came off impertinent and petty and served as the entirety of his platform for the early part of the debate. He did however improve dramatically during the segment against gun control and he remained fairly strong after that. I don't think he's got a chance but he wasn't as terrible as initially he appeared.

Pete Buttigieg: He had a solid showing I thought. He answered questions well and mostly displayed solid plans. I don't agree with everything he said, but as a general rule I don't dislike his overall policy. I think overall he did a really solid job of connecting with his audience and I think that while it's unlikely he'll come out the nominee, he'll be in the race for the long hall with the likes of Warren, Sanders, Harris and Biden.

Andrew Yang: Now, I think he got stiffed a bit. He definitely got asked far fewer questions than the other candidates. He has some interesting policy ideas too, although he didn't explain them well enough for me to get a good grip of exactly what he's planning. Which was a recurring theme with him. He wasn't getting the same attention as the others so he needed to be on-the-ball when he did get a chance to speak but instead he was either unclear or just flat out flubbed every answer he gave. There's a lot of social media hype around him but I don't think he actually has a hope in hell and he was definitely one of the worst during the debate.

Michael Bennet: Second worst of the night. While his policy wasn't bad it wasn't the best either... I think. It's hard to say because he came across an absolute moron. He wasn't attentive, he spoke painfully slowly and yet still managed to stumble over every answer he gave. I didn't come out of that debate with anything resembling a positive opinion of him.

Kirsten Gillibrand: Gillibrand was solid, albeit a bit one-note and braggy. Her policy ideas do seem pretty good and she represented herself alright. That being said, she essentially gave the appearance of being Kamala Harris Lite. She said a lot of similar things but not nearly as well or with the same level of detail. She talked a lot about how she had the best plan but never actually elaborated on what that plan was. She doesn't have a chance.

John Hickenlooper: Similarly to Gillibrand, he said a lot of "I am the only one/I have the best" shit without ever actually saying anything that set him apart from the others. His policy is okay, but isn't as good as any of the (good) big players or dark horses like Castro from the previous debate. He was overall really forgettable apart from looking like a discount Mr. Rogers. No hope in hell.

Marianne Williamson: Get the fuck out.


Harris was by far the winner of the debate while Buttegieg and Sanders were solid. The rest were either middling, forgettable or terrible.

Overall, I think the ones who actually have a shot at getting the nomination are Kamala Harris, Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren. Julian Castro, Pete Buttigieg and Corey Booker and maybe Tulsi Gabbard have a darkhorse shot but I wouldn't consider any of them likely winners. Of that group I think Kamala Harris is the only one I am absolutely certain of winning over Trump while Biden is the only one I'm certain of losing. My personal favourites are Bernie and Warren but I also quite like Harris and Castro and I think Buttigieg and Gabbard are alright. Can't stand Biden or Booker but fuck it, I'd take them over Trump.
 
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Something I have to wonder about the debates is how sincere all of the candidates are about everything they said. I remember, at least in the first debate, there was a lot of "yeah fuck the corporations and the 1%, power to the people!!1!!1!" statements being made, but I have a hard time buying that everyone who said something like that really means it. Some of them, sure, but everyone? Nah. American politicians on both sides of aisle have never exactly been not friendly with corporations and the super wealthy so I'm skeptical of everyone or mostly everyone suddenly apparently being like this.

I don't think that it was only issue that garnered more similar responses than I thought it would, but my memory's not always the best and I wasn't exactly sober for either debate night.

on a side note, Marianne Williamson is a gem, but in a "you're a fun meme" way and not a "you'd make for a good president" way
 
Whoa, debate night 2 blew the first one out of the water to me. Been busy these last few days and had to put off giving my take, but it was just a fantastic debate I thought. It looked more spontaneous with folks talking over each other, it was confrontational in tone and watching the sheer circus of it was my guilty pleasure. My thoughts on everyone in no particular order.

Bernie Sanders-- I think he did a good job and was one of the people who came off looking strong. He has been in the game a long time and will speak plainly and forcefully, not allowing other candidates to talk over him, nor let his positions be twisted or moderators to derail his messsge. He was loud and clear about what he was for, single payer healthcare, and explained why radical change was necessary with sucessful examples. He not only has an ambitious platform, he is a straight shooter about it i.e yes, taxes would increase, stil without education or healthcare expenses you ultimately have more money in the bank.

He also seized a good opportunity to highlight having a sane voting record on foreign policy and opposing the Iraq when Biden was for it. I think Bernie came off looking the most responsible with the military out of all the people on that debate stage. He had a good comeback in response to his electability, reminding them he had a 10 pt lead on Trump.

Kamala Harris-- Now even though I think Bernie was a highlight, who I think had the most standout debate performance was to my surprise Kamala. As with Julian Castro this candidate was not one I had placed that high on my list because of some issues I had with her record as attorney general such as the truancy laws. That being said, I gotta give the devil it's due. She hit Biden with a hyperbeam. That was one of the most powerful and compelling arguments I have seen, and I hope she steals voters from him.

The mods were clearly trying to be as gentle with Biden as they could. They questioned Mayor Pete about his commitment to racial justice, and not Joe Biden? Kamala held Biden accountable for his friendship with senators who promoted segregation in the south, and more specifically his legislation to block the department of education from bussing black students into white schools in the 70s.

Kamala continued to hammer Biden on issues in a way that nobody dared, she was even better than Castro when the topic shifted to immigration and bringing out what she had done to stop the deportations in her state.

She was running knees touching elbows towards progressives with major policies in her messenger bag like ending private insurance. Now is she really for all these ambitious things that Warren and Sanders are for? I wouldn't get my hopes up. Right after the debate she backed away from the healthcare position she adopted.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1024756
But whether it was all razzle dazzle or not, a debate is a performance, and think she won that debate by miles through sheer boldness.

Marianne Williamson-- Marianne was a dark horse for me. I always thought she looked like a lovely human being, but I was concerned that she may not have known enough about the issues. She has an eccentric way of communicating that I had to get used to, but I honestly thought she was a breath of air and I liked what she had to say as the night went on. What she said about the history of our country's involvement in Latin America and how it has contributed to the immigration crises was actually profound. She had humane answers on healthcare and immigration, and I think she has a unique platform and voice to offer that other candidates don't. I don't think anyone else on the stage is for reparations checks for American descents of slaves, which is radical. Not even Kamala Harris goes this far if you look at her plan in detail.

I think Miss Marianne was witty, she looked beautiful and was really good at elbowing her way into the conversation even when she was not called on, and took a jab at Eric Swalwell, noting that young bodies can still have old ideas. I see this colorful character as the Ross Perot of 2020.

Andrew Yang-- Yang I thought was very disappointing actually. He was someone I knew of prior to this night who I think has a lot of wonderful ideas that are outside of the box, banking services through the post office, UBI, treating Puerto Rico like a real state, universal Pre-K, criminal cases against pharmaceutical executives who use false marketing and fudge testing, medical technology investments, autism intervention. It is a fascinating platform. I really wanted to get to know him even better Thursday night. I did not accomplish that. He looked visibly bored and annoyed that he was not getting questions, and seems to have somewhere along the line given up trying to become part of the conversation.

He says that his microphone was turned off until he was specifically called on. I initially questioned if Yang could really be that passive to let them do that to him, but Marianne Williamson also said they did the same thing to her. Its is very troubling now that two different candidates have said they experienced this.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/heavy.com/news/2019/06/marianne-williamson-mic-muted-yang-debate/amp/

In the case of Yang I think saying so little really took away from his performance, and if he was trying to speak but being blocked then that is unacceptable.

I like what he is for UBI/ The Freedom Dividend, and we got a brief introduction to that policy which might make some people curious if they did not know him. But he was not shown off to his full potential sadly. Do not let them silence you.

Joe Biden-- I thought the debates would be the biggest challenge Biden faced, and my prophecy I think is coming true. Joe Biden flubs his lines regularly, has old ideas, drifts off topic, struggles with simple questions, stops abruptly, makes contradictory statements and will just not have the facts. He does not take assaults well from aggressive opponents and was annihilated by Kamala Harris. He is going to have to watchout for Booker, De Blasio, Castro and other candidates with forceful personalities. God have mercy if more than one of them are on stage with him at the same time.

When he was asked what he would work to accomplish if he could get only one thing done in office he had no answer for us, he just went into the rehearsed line that he would defeat Trump, even when it nothing to do with the question. Other candidates said gun control, healthcare. Biden couldn't do this I think because he doesn't stand for anything. Are you really running to help people Joe or are you just a party big wig there to sit in the middle of the road and block progressives from leading the party? It doesn't look like you have thought much about what you are going to do *if* you get in office.

Pete Buttigieg-- Mayor Pete I think did well. I recognize that he would not govern in the same way that I would, but he is open about his policies, which I always appreciate, and he provides details of what he would do as an alternative. I.e I would not implement medicare for all because I am concerned about the effects of a radical change like this on the economy, I instead support creating a public option where you can buy-in to medicare to better control costs. He speaks intelligently, looks presidential and is able to answer questions in a calm, cool assuring way that is thorough. I think his answer to tough questions about imperfections of the criminal justice system he faced as mayor came across as honest, humble even. So I think he showed the ability to weather attacks.

Eric Swalwell-- I think he was more memorable than Hickenlooper or Bennet. He had at least 1 major policy he was clear and consistent about, banning assault weapons, confiscating guns if need be. He showed willingness to go after his opponents, whether it was his gun control record vs Bernie Sanders, firing questions at Mayor Pete about his response to police shootings in his city, telling Biden essentially that he was the embodiment of what is old and out of touch. I know a lot of folks didn't like him, but I thought his performance wasn't that bad tbh. He just isn't the best storyteller, with the goofy analogy of politics being like changing diapers, the overly dramatic line about remember what your kids are wearing as they go off to school because you may need to identify their bodies later, and the joke about breaking up with Russia and getting back with NATO. It is his speech writer who needs to be fired, other than that I think he's alright.

Gillibrand-- I liked her a little more than I expected too, I felt her debate performance was comparable to Mayor Pete's. She went into detail about things she had done and what she was for, paid family leave, co-sponsporing medicare for all legislation, voting against all of Trump's cabinet appointments. I think her personality gets overshadowed at times by some of the giants she was around, but she looked like she had knowledge of the subjects, and fought her way into the conversation. She was really putting in the effort. I thought she came across strong when she was talking about her record and vision on women's and lgbtq rights. She made a passionate plea. It was pretty good honestly. She has some good positions like abolishing ICE.

Hickenlooper-- I don't like campaigns that are too general. He is running against an idea. He doesn't stand for anything, just against socialism as Biden is against Trump. There's not enough to distunguish Hickenlooper from any other conservative democrat, other than looking like a prosecutor for the House of Un-American Activities Committees in the 1940s with the constant trying to scare people with labels.

Bennett-- I think his policies are a little vague, but because he has an interesting and sad family history as a descendent of holocaust survivors he stuck out to me l more than Ryan, Delaney or Hickenlooper, though they all feel like similar candidates. I think he is also a little better at debating perhaps since he called Biden out for securing the Bush tax breaks and made clear to the viewers that what he was doing behind the scenes was not something to brag about.
 
Something I have to wonder about the debates is how sincere all of the candidates are about everything they said. I remember, at least in the first debate, there was a lot of "yeah fuck the corporations and the 1%, power to the people!!1!!1!" statements being made, but I have a hard time buying that everyone who said something like that really means it. Some of them, sure, but everyone? Nah. American politicians on both sides of aisle have never exactly been not friendly with corporations and the super wealthy so I'm skeptical of everyone or mostly everyone suddenly apparently being like this.

I don't think that it was only issue that garnered more similar responses than I thought it would, but my memory's not always the best and I wasn't exactly sober for either debate night.

on a side note, Marianne Williamson is a gem, but in a "you're a fun meme" way and not a "you'd make for a good president" way

I think the most important thing to note is how many of the candidate were against things like medicare for all before Bernie's 2016 run and how many of them now back it and other policies lifted straight from his hymn sheet. Outside of Bernie I think the only three candidates with any level of integrity behind their words are Gabbard, the Crystal meme queen and possibly Warren. Bobby, Mayor Pete, Dirty Joe and Booker might as well be the same low energy, no plan candidates and Harris is literally ridiculous to pull the bussing thing when, as DA, she put in policy that tore economically poor black families apart for non crimes. Harris is and always will be a cop at heart and as your ol' uncle Hands says, "ACAB"
 
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