A Nice Little Note for All of PC to Read... (Long Post)

Aye, I see my long post get buried by controversies of keeping the thread open... XD
 
tmbjr said:
I guess those last couple of posts are a good example of the arguments mods have that Frosty mentioned...some want to close this and ban Frosty, others want to allow this to stay open and let him stay...

I'm getting interested in this thread. I might just watch every post anticipatingly.

[EDIT] why is all the posts here in bold text? I try to turn it off in my posts and it won't work...
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I completely agree. I stay neutral on the arguements to avoid them (well except for the Sean one, and that's becasue he flamed me previously...). I keep my opinions on the inside to avoid mod confrontations and to remain unbiased.

And I see no bold text O.o
 
I, as an everyday member have noticed that mods seem to argue alot more then any regular member. And if a member is argueing, it's usually with a mod...interesting. I really have no problem with any of the mods, I just think things should change and tempers should be quelled.

I don't want to sound flamish, and I didn't even intent to post here in the first place but Shining Arcanine, you closed this just because you were offended...just you? I mean yes Alyssa was also upset by it but I think this thread should have been made along time ago. Certain people need to hear this and this is a good place for them to work it out.
 
Shadow said:
I completely agree. I stay neutral on the arguements to avoid them (well except for the Sean one, and that's becasue he flamed me previously...). I keep my opinions on the inside to avoid mod confrontations and to remain unbiased.

And I see no bold text O.o
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hmm...if you see no bold text, it may just be my computer acting up again...*kicks computer* XD

I saw your post Oni Flygon and completely agree with it ^^
BTW, were you referring to SPPF at the end "(coughsuperstrictcough)"?
 
...psst.. Only Omega and I think it's so strict since all of the threads we go to (especially Purin) get closed just because our sigs link to our site (and we, Pokespecial fans, like to correct him, a "poser", a lot)
 
oni flygon said:
Aye, I see my long post get buried by controversies of keeping the thread open... XD
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no I read the post, and I know what you're talking about. I guess I wasn't being clear earlier... let me try an example perhaps regarding role playing. None of the following is real and is crappy because i'm just not a role palyer

topic: how old are you?

Person A: I'm 80 yrs old XD Yeah i'm old
Person B: Lol *sends (person A) to the hospital in case of heart attack*
Person A: *flushs (person B) down the toilet*
Person B: *reincarnates as a ghost and haunts person A)

the above: pure role play which is fine but is now off topic by a lot shot...

topic: how old are you?

Person A: I'm 80 yrs old XD Yeah I'm old
Person B: Lol *sends (person A) to the hospital in case of heart attack*
(but seriously 80 isn't that old yet)

the above: perfect... i don't mind role playing, but just have something that stays on topic somewhere in the post. ^_^

As the name changing stuff... If name changing isn't a problem, why is that rule made in the first place? There must be a problem with name changing if that rule (which is the newest out of all PC rule) is made, so let's enforce it like all the other rules.
 
frostweaver said:
no I read the post, and I know what you're talking about. I guess I wasn't being clear earlier... let me try an example perhaps regarding role playing. None of the following is real and is crappy because i'm just not a role palyer

topic: how old are you?

Person A: I'm 80 yrs old XD Yeah i'm old
Person B: Lol *sends (person A) to the hospital in case of heart attack*
Person A: *flushs (person B) down the toilet*
Person B: *reincarnates as a ghost and haunts person A)

the above: pure role play which is fine but is now off topic by a lot shot...

topic: how old are you?

Person A: I'm 80 yrs old XD Yeah I'm old
Person B: Lol *sends (person A) to the hospital in case of heart attack*
(but seriously 80 isn't that old yet)

the above: perfect... i don't mind role playing, but just have something that stays on topic somewhere in the post. ^_^

As the name changing stuff... If name changing isn't a problem, why is that rule made in the first place? There must be a problem with name changing if that rule (which is the newest out of all PC rule) is made, so let's enforce it like all the other rules.
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I se that alot in DCC...not so much lately, but a while back. Whenever I try to RP in a regular thread my post is usually like the latter example. I feel naked if my post doesn't contribute to the topic at hand.
 
Teara said:
I, as an everyday member have noticed that mods seem to argue alot more then any regular member. And if a member is argueing, it's usually with a mod...interesting. I really have no problem with any of the mods, I just think things should change and tempers should be quelled.

I don't want to sound flamish, and I didn't even intent to post here in the first place but Shining Arcanine, you closed this just because you were offended...just you? I mean yes Alyssa was also upset by it but I think this thread should have been made along time ago. Certain people need to hear this and this is a good place for them to work it out.
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I don't have to explain my reasons for closing this and know that this will be seen as wavering (2 times) on my part but I will anyway. I didn't want the thread to become a flame fest after I banned frostweaver for offending Haruka, offending myself and asking to be banned.

Edit: By the way, people are entitled to their opinions (even if they can get them in trouble) and arguing would not change anything besides how angry the people arguing are therefore I refuse to argue with frostweaver.
 
Satoshi-kun said:
We have different name changings.

Account changing is allowed, but not name changing.

Account changing - basically changing your name, and any associated powers. It is allowed.
Name changing - Only admins can do this and aren't allowed to. It actually is changing their name by editing their profile.
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Then how come your name was changed but you didn't need to make another account? If you're allowed a name change, then surely Alyssa should be able to, to spare her from making 12 different accounts.

Anyways, I am glad that you made this Frosty, you have said things that have been bothering me for a while, although it may be because I come from a forum where things are handled differently and people have different personalities. As for your comments about SA and Alyssa? Well, I am sure you'll understand why I am not going to say a thing, not like I have any big problems with them anways.
 
I believe that the point of the stop to name changing is because of the extreme amount of requests from people changing their names, involving work.

"Account changing" is doing the same amount of work involving whoever capable of doing this pressing the probably same amount of buttons to shift the powers back and forth. So... doesnt' that really defeat the purpose of the rule to begin with?
 
frostweaver said:
First of all, just because i'm starting a new thread, that doesn't mean I'm coming back to PC to post everyday... Just that I can't stand to see PC in such a mess according to the views of others through Instant Messages. There are so many things to address to PC that it's not even funny. I heard many people's opinion through IM, but didn't hear any of them doing anything about them. So I might as well be the evil man (and the rebel) and risk a ban that i don't really care about.

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Firstly, the staff members have an important role to play in PC. They act as role models for PC members to follow. They maintain orders within PC, and improve PC so that PC will be even better. Some mods are more casual, some mods are "mod-bots." That doesn't matter as that's their modding style. However, the problem is...

The first staff on my hist list: Alyssa/Haruka/whatever stupid name you have now, here's something for you-

As a mod and a devoted member who has been on PC for a long time, please for once stick with the rules that you created with your staff members... It's just so sick and tiring of you to constantly change your names. Last time it's decided how no one will change name unless you're starting a new account. So why don't YOU follow that as well? Arcanine tried to point that out to you last time, but that thick skull of yours dodged it. Well face fact... you keep complaining how some members need to act with a lot more respect towards mods. Guess what... you don't gain respect through status. You earn it through your actions. And following the rules maybe one good starting point for you? Same for any other mods who are constantly changing names too.

Another good start for you is to stop saying irrelevant posts that is pretty much summed up to "yeah s/he is right oh dear my post count +1!" Like how last time you quoted SA's annoucement and pretty much said "yeah listen to him"... well duh? Please... just to be straight to the point but blunt: act up now or be crushed. You finally earned that mod spot you so wanted, so let's do a good job of keeping it. *ALL* the other mods and even some members tried to warn you before, but after 2 weeks you forget everything they say. I dont' care what you do on your own vb board, but PC is PC, and it's not your place.

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For Shining Arcanine:

Last time i checked, the main admin is Kwesi. And that means: PC is just not yours. Are you the one who paid for this board? Nope... So should the whole board listen to your opinions and your way how it is run? Nope... Enough with closing topics just because it's not with your opinion, or threatening to leave just to get rid of Roms Section. Your opinion i have no right to say if it's right or wrong, nor if i must force you to change your opinion. But please don't use mod powers to your advantage in arguements. I've already addressed this problem once secretly before to other Smods/Praetor, but this time since I'm being the rebel anyway, let's bring it up again as a reminder in response to the rom section debate that Kwesi put an end to (hurray for him!)

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For all of the other mods:

How can a group act in the well-being of the whole community if there's more disputes than agreements within all of you? I hear a certain Smod calling another mod "dumb", and resulted in almost 2 staff members leaving PC on the same day. That is rather hot tempered? It's always hard to control your temper, but this is online and therefore it's a lot easier to control yourself. If you see something not right, go outside take a walk and a drink of cold water, then come back and reflect on it, and then finally post on it. Should there be any disputes between you and some other member, settle it privately in PM arguements, or Instant Messages. That is true for each and every other members too.

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For the gameboy section/game mods:

"Where do you catch Feebas? Help!"
"Shiny Pokemon discussion"

There must be at least 40+ threads about those 2 topics... The Feebas topic is already posted in FAQ section, with a constant Shiny ______ discussion out there... yet there are still the other 38 copies floating around... that can do some work. Plus for all the game section participants fo PC, PLEASE USE THE SIMPLE QUESTION THREAD ALREADY! "Where is (this item)", "Where to catch (this Pokemon)" all goes in that one thread together... I believe the mods made that thread sticky for a reason... Gameboy section attracts the most newcomers which is a good thing. At the same time, it attracts the most members who didn't read the rules as well... Put stuff in the right topic and do not repeat the same Feebas/Eon Pokemon/Wynaut question twice a month. I just checked and voila! Another Feebas question right at the top! Ahem...?

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Regarding Pokemon Trivia and Games/Pokeland, and Post Counts:

So before I got on today... I was chatting with some PC members. And when I mentioned Pokeland, the response was "What's that?"

Obviously Post Count doing its trick again... Pokeland is the subforum within Other Chat that has no post counts. For all the older members in PC, we all remember the "the one above" and alike threads. They were extremely popular back then, earning up to perhaps even 100 post a day within that thread alone in the past. Now...? Emm... 5 post max a day?

There is that post count discussion within OC... yes i know about it. There are both pros and cons regarding it too. But let's be consistent... If part of PC has no post count, then the no post count section will be forgotton. You must admit that there will be *some people* who post to get higher post counts. So let's be fair to all threads and either have no post count throughout entire PC, or post count throughout all of PC. If Pokeland has no Post Count because "they're just games... lacking quality post," then how does Trivia/Pokemon Game section not "games" and has more "quality" than Pokeland, deserving to have "post counts?"

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A Message to Everyone:

Firstly, being a mod may be something very fun to you, being able to serve the community and so on. But please... it's not as fun as it seems (according to Lightning in an old post), and once you become mod, be serious about it. Let's not just "I want to be mod!", hope to get modded, and then after 1 week when the fresh feelings of being a mod faded, you quit... though fortunately this didn't happen yet, it's still a good thing to remind ourselves "why do I want to be a mod" when some people scream out to be mod. And to be certain: some mods now don't really deserve the mod spot, while some members now should be mod (or a mod now should deserve something of higher position). Mods will look for you if you're someone worthy of being a mod. Drop the brushups to mods with special MOTM cases by seperating praetor away from the smod category for example, just so certain Smods can get more votes. "PC Politics" should not exist in PC. We're all here to have fun.

One more "am I a veteran" thread made, and I'll hunt the thread creator down like a blood thirsty dog... And whoever said "Do I have enough post counts to be veteran" will be killed. You don't earn status with a number first of all as you earn it through your posts and actions. And on top of that, *screw status.* Just because someone is here for a long time, you don't have superior power over others, and for relatively new members to PC, you shouldn't be afraid of members with high post counts too. A spammer can spam to get post count to make his "number" high, and a good devoted member can also get the same amount of post count posting essays after essays. We're all evil human beings who have done something wrong before, and we're all equal. Mods do accept opinions from members, and members should also listen to advices from mods. In the end, we're all equal (basic belief in democracy?)

Role Play is certainly something very fun to do at times. You can have unimaginable fun with it. However, let's not "modify" a thread to be pure role play away from the original intent of the topic. If you want to role play, feel free to do so, but remember to contribute at least a bit at the end of your post. This is very disturbing how many threads get off track and become pure role play. Contribute to the topic a little hey? Oh, and "yes i agree" is not contributing but just repeating what someone says. Say "why" or "why not."

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The above is the collected opinions of many people who may not want to speak out about it, or if they don't really care if it's done or not. (And also most of it is my opinion as well). Thanks for reading through an entire essay.

And now, ban/flame away.
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Thank you so much frostweaver :) Thanks to you, I have the courage to speak again :) I do have things to say, and everyone will hear it.
 
Shining Arcanine said:
I'm glad you are being so reasonable as, in 2 ways, you just asked me to ban you, which I'm going to do for a week. *Waves good bye and closes*
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Right there! You just closed this thread because it was against your opinion. I'm not siding with anyone but I just had to say that out loud.
 
Shining Arcanine said:
I don't have to explain my reasons for closing this and know that this will be seen as wavering (2 times) on my part but I will anyway. I didn't want the thread to become a flame fest after I banned frostweaver for offending Haruka, offending myself and asking to be banned.
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But surely you must have noticed that people have been having problems lately and they need to work them out. If this hadn't been made the thing on everyone's mind would never be put out into the open to be fixed. Whether we like it or not, there is a problem and this is a perfect way to make everyone aware of it. It was bound to happen sooner or later, and why not sooner?
 
latiosspud said:
Right there! You just closed this thread because it was against your opinion. I'm not siding with anyone but I just had to say that out loud.
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Some people don't read everything... Please read my post after that.
 
Shining Arcanine said:
Some people don't read everything... Please read my post after that.
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I actually read that before my last post but you actually banned him for a second or two. In real life, if you kill someone and then realize your mistake it's too late. It is because of people like you that people are too scared to speak out. In real life, most people who spoke up never got credited until years after he/she died but not this time, not this time.
 
latiosspud said:
I actually read that before my last post but you actually banned him for a second or two. In real life, if you kill someone and then realize your mistake it's too late. It is because of people like you that people are too scared to speak out. In real life, most people who spoke up never got credited until years after he/she died but not this time, not this time.
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latiosspud does point out an interesting fact. I see SA as someone who wants to rule a forum with an iron fist. Absoutely something I loathe..
 
latiosspud said:
I actually read that before my last post but you actually banned him for a second or two. In real life, if you kill someone and then realize your mistake it's too late. It is because of people like you that people are too scared to speak out. In real life, most people who spoke up never got credited until years after he/she died but not this time, not this time.
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You take things too seriously (comparing this to life offline, it is a message board, things that change the board stay on the board, they are not these revoluntionary things that change the world). I banned him because he asked me to, which normally wouldn't be a reason to ban someone but considering that he asked a 2nd time by telling me that I had no authority and insulting Haruka, it was. I closed the thread to prevent further flames and I now regret yielding to Arcanine and Kairi.
 
oni flygon said:
latiosspud does point out an interesting fact. I see SA as someone who wants to rule a forum with an iron fist. Absoutely something I loathe..
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Frostweaver pointed out btw...all I did was resaid it added what I thought about. I'm not trying to take sides though although frosty does seem to have good points. :P


EDIT: You banned him because he asked you? Common sense please...
 
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