I'm saying that outside of the situations I've already outlined about a hundred times it should be illegal. Outside of those situations it is also morally wrong. Killing things without a good reason tends to be.
Yes sex is natural. So? I resist the natural urge to punch people I dislike all the damn time.
On top of that, people are very creative. There is lots of other ways you can get those orgasms your craving without having sex if you don't want to run the risk of pregnancy. "It's a natural urge" does not change the fact that you're making a choice and that sometimes choices have consequences.
It's not a parasite, it's a human being and it has the same rights that any other human being does. To suggest a human child is equatable to a parasite is appalling.
The US government could quite easily provide each child in the country with a comfortable middle class life through a cut to government funding that would still have them as the number one military spender in the world. We might currently live in a world where we can't look after those kids but we don't have to.
"You don't want to run the risk of experiencing pregnancy and birth, don't have sex."
Yes we have established that the urge to have sex is natural. This does not change the fact that it is also a choice to partake in it and that choices have consequences. I will say it again, that "clump of cells" is not a parasite like some sort of tapeworm it is a human life and has the same right to life that you or I do. Please refrain from referring to foetuses as such because quite frankly it's appalling behaviour and sensationalism that poisons the debate.
I'm comparing it do dumb things? No, I'm comparing them to other choices. You call my comparisons dumb because they refute your worldview and you don't like it. Many people are attracted to stealing by nature by the way.
I have not once said sex is bad. I don't recall ever saying as such and you shouldn't put words in my mouth. Drinking isn't inherently bad either, but choosing to do so can still result in unwanted consequences and the same is true of sex and many other actions. Sex being natural changes nothing at all. You make the choice, then deal with consequences.
How are you going to enforce that? Are you going to force rape victims to prove they were raped? And what are you going to do about those people who get abortions outside of the legal way? Banning abortions isn't going to make people get less abortions, it'll just make it more difficult for people to do so.
Your rights end where someone else's rights begin. You can naturally feel the need to punch someone but we have laws against that for a reason. There are no laws against having sex. Don't even try to compare the two, that's asinine.
Yes, a fetus is a parasite by the very definition of parasite:
an organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense.
A fetus lives in another organism (the mother) and benefits from her nutrients (which is why pregnant women tend to eat certain things) and it is at the expense of the host, as the host has to suffer through it all. It's not a human, so quit calling it that. It's not a human any more than any other clump of cells is a human, no matter how hard you want to believe that.
There are a lot of things the US government can do that it won't. You know what would benefit more from government spending? Taking care of things that are actually here and alive, not things that haven't been born yet. Let's take care of the kids that ARE born, let's make college free so we can have more people with a good education, let's use the money to help people that are alive and not those you want to be alive in the next few years.
How is calling something by its name appalling? If you can't handle literal definitions that make you feel queasy, then I apologize for using the words, but maybe you shouldn't be in a debate forum. The real world isn't pretty. Calling a fetus a parasite is completely fine, whether it upsets you or not. I do apologize for it, but I will not insult the facts by not doing so. It's relevant to this conversation.
No, because once again; stealing isn't a natural urge that we are all (for the most part) born with. Sex is. Sex is something almost everyone is born with an urge for. It's ridiculous to say that we need to punish people for doing it. We live in a society where you don't NEED to suffer the consequences for doing something that is a completely natural urge, that is a great thing. People can satisfy their sexual needs and then if they want to choose to have a family and not carry something that will leech off them and make them feel horrible for 9 months, they have that choice. They can CHOOSE when to have kids and when not to have kids.
According to science, a fetus is not a person. According to the law, a fetus is not a person. You might have an opinion that it is, but none of the data and evidence seems to agree with you on that. So maybe it's your world view which isn't correct? Don't insult mine, look at your own.
You might not have said it directly, but the way you compare sex to alcoholism and robbery shows that you don't see sex as a good thing. Which means you likely see it as a bad thing. You don't need to say things to imply them. Yes, some people may feel the natural urge to steal. That's called a mental illness. We take care of those people so they can fit into society.
