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5th Gen Adventures in Unova - RETURNS!

Good job with this Dragon, a great idea :D
 
Alllright this is gonna be messy. xD But here we go; new scenario below too!


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[PokeCommunity.com] Adventures in Unova - RETURNS!


It's Team Plasma!!​

So for this scenario, just answer this. When you've first encountered Team Plasma at the Dreamyard, what did you think of them, as they kept on kicking a Munna? Why did you think they needed the Dream Mist? Could of been an alternative to their plans?

As always, contributing to this discussion will net you a reward! The person who contributes to this discussion the most, as well as give the most well thought out answer, will receive a shiny pokemon! So, have fun, and lemme know if you have any concerns. c:​
 
Definitely doing this, would so want an awesome shiny...

When you've first encountered Team Plasma at the Dreamyard, what did you think of them, as they kept on kicking a Munna?
As someone who's heard of the terrible stuff about animal cruelty (plus the PETA jokes that Team Plasma have been made into) I felt bad for that Munna, because it was an innocent Pokemon just sitting there and the grunts kicking it for an absolutely unprovoked reason was just terrible to watch. It got even more interesting when Bianca's own Munna was taken by Team Plasma grunts in Castelia City.

Why did you think they needed the Dream Mist? Could of been an alternative to their plans?
I probably think their scientists wanted Dream Mist for their research, because I know Fennel (who is a scientist herself) was doing her research around Munna and the Dream Mist. We may never get to know what Team Plasma wanted it for, but the fact it remains a mystery was what made the game still intriguing. As for if I could imagine Dream Mist impacting on the plot, maybe I wouldn't think it would be as important as much as I'd think.
 
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When you've first encountered Team Plasma at the Dreamyard, what did you think of them, as they kept on kicking a Munna?
- When i was first encountering Plasma and their attempt at capturing a Munna I accepted that it must be part of their plan, but after looking back at it, it made no sense. They wanted to liberate Pokemon for their trainers, so how would Dream Mist help, which only helps to distort reality. At first though it made complete sense because i was not thinking about it that much. Secondly, when has kicking a Pokemon ever turned out well, it just scares them and keeps them cocooned essentially, it is not gonna make the Pokemon do what the Trainer or bad guy wants, EVER!

Why did you think they needed the Dream Mist? Could of been an alternative to their plans?
- The dream mist could have been an alternative to their plans but it was very poorly executed as they gave rather easily. I would have liked to seem them come back to the Dreamyard and try harder to get the Dream Mist as it could have been used to put Trainers into a trance of sorts (distort reality) where they gave up their Pokemon because it seemed correct in the dream they were having but not necessarily real life. That would have been a great backup plan but classic evil team doesn't realize it and ends up losing very epically lol

P.S. I would've been a great evil team exec, I love screwing nice trainers over {XD}
AND i know how to battle :)
 
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Can I get Pansage from my last two posts recorded? :)

A) What did you think of the Dreamyard? What sorts of secrets do you think it holds?

I quite liked the idea of the Dreamyard, though I was expecting a wrap type thing into the dreamworld haha XD


Also awnser to this if i can get Pansage:
Which Gym Leader, Cilan, Cress, or Chili, did you enjoy battling against the most (or in general)? What did you think of the Striaton City Pokémon Gym in general? How hard was this Gym Battle for you?
Cress has always been my personal favorite, but I found Chili the hardest out of the trio. Especially depending on which Pokemon you have, all three have their tough points.
I do beleive I had to re-try and train a little bit to beat Chili, though I probably did not battle enough so early on in the game xD


Also new posts:
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When you've first encountered Team Plasma at the Dreamyard, what did you think of them, as they kept on kicking a Munna? Why did you think they needed the Dream Mist? Could of been an alternative to their plans?
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When I saw that I was basically like "welp **** there goes any sort of moral ambiguity and subtlety they might've tried to go for". I mean, I knew the moment I saw them in Accumula Town that they weren't really going to be as truly moral and idealistic as Ghetsis's speech might've made them sound. Doesn't help that not long after you have to chase a couple of their grunts down after they steal some kid's Pokemon. You think that they would've tried to keep the charade up for longer than that.

As for what they wanted Dream Mist for.....there's no way to know for sure really. One possible idea though could be that they wanted it as some sort of mind control. Maybe using it on people could put them into a highly suggestive or hypnotic state. Get people to release their Pokemon or manipulate them in other ways.
 
When you've first encountered Team Plasma at the Dreamyard, what did you think of them, as they kept on kicking a Munna?

As I mentioned before, Team Plasma basically screamed "We're the villains!" back in Accumula Town, what with the ominous music and the fact that they're dressed like they belong in the Knights Templar (seriously, there's a whole trope for that), but their motives seemed at least reasonable — protecting Pokémon from cruelty. So seeing two of their members kicking that poor Munna was a real slap in the face. I do feel like it was added as a Kick The Dog moment, just to make it clear that we're not meant to be on their side, and I would have preferred it not be there, but I'll admit it does work as an example of the Well-Intentioned Extremist that the group is portrayed as. But whatever the reason, that moment, as I mentioned previously, is the first real sign that perhaps Team Plasma aren't to be trusted, whatever their intentions, because the end of obtaining some Dream Mist does not justify abusing a defenceless Munna. Speaking of Dream Mist...

Why did you think they needed the Dream Mist? Could it have been an alternative to their plans?

I believe the reason is briefly mentioned during the encounter — they want to use it to make everybody believe that they should release their Pokémon. Unfortunately we don't really see the Dream Mist in action, but given how Musharna drives the two grunts off, I'd assume it works by inducing hallucinations in everybody who breathes it in; I'd also assume that, since the two grunts, the protagonist, and, presumably, Bianca all see Ghetsis appear in the Dreamyard, that the nature of the hallucinations can be controlled. I'm assuming that particular Musharna had its Hidden Ability of Telepathy, since it had probably never seen Ghetsis, or, indeed, Team Plasma before — they only way it would have been able to replicate Ghetsis's mannerisms, speech and appearance would be by reading the grunts' thoughts. (Hmm... I wonder if the HA Musharna you can catch in the postgame is the same one who drives off Team Plasma? Food for thought!)

Now, I assume Musharna and Munna can decide what will appear in the hallucinations they induce, but I'm not sure how anyone else could. Perhaps another Psychic-type could manage it? All Ghetsis would have to do is tell it what he wanted the populace to see and hear, and the Psychic-type could perhaps replicate it. I mean, we know Ghetsis isn't above using Pokémon as tools — it would be perfectly in-character for him.

As for how the Mist could be spread through the population.. well, Team Plasma has scientists, right? And we know that Dr Fennel works with Dream Mist, so it is a legitimate area of research. Perhaps Team Plasma's scientists could figure out the components of the Mist and refine it into a form more easily distributable... maybe create a liquid that could be introduced into the water? That way, a good chunk of the region will be dosed up on the Mist at any particular time, at which point the aforementioned Psychic-type (or whatever) can induce a mass hallucination — tell people to release their Pokémon — and they'd do it, because the Mist would make them more suggestible — you know, in a dream-like state. Sure, it'd be a fairly brief hallucination, but once everyone wakes up and the Mist is out of their systems, the vast majority of everyone affected has already done as their vision said. Yeah, there'll be some who weren't affected, but what can those few do against the rest of Team Plasma? — especially if there was some subliminal effect of the Mist that left those affected convinced that what they saw and what they did was right, meaning that they wouldn't go out and become trainers again. Ghetsis would effectively have an army of followers who, while they couldn't do any fighting, could hinder anyone who resisted. Even better, Ghetsis could still have his initial "Have N become the Hero" plan going on in the background to quell any resistance — because what could a few people scattered across the region do against the legendary Hero and his Dragon? And if Team Plasma could replicate the Dream Mist and keep the population dosed up... well, it's be like something out of The Demon Headmaster — an army of drones who would do whatever they were told.

...Wow, I think I just scared myself.

In short, I reckon the Dream Mist could have been the catalyst for a wide-scale brainwashing scheme, had those two grunts not screwed it all up. Man, the protagonist really is the Spanner in the Works of Team Plasma's scheme, isn't s/he?

(Holy crap, over 500 words on Dream Mist alone. I've thought way too hard about this.)

EDIT: Related to this, I've just had a thought as to why one of Munna and Musharna's standard abilities is Forewarn. From the Musharna's use of Dream Mist to drive away the two Team Plasma grunts, we can infer that the ability to produce the Mist is primarily a self-defence adaptation. In that case, having Forewarn would make a lot of sense — Munna and Musharna could then sense danger and produce Dream Mist to disorient its attacker; their Hidden Ability, Telepathy, would then exist for the same reason.
 
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Sorry about before guys, but this is now back!

Congrats to ShiningKami for winning the shiny pokemon!

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The rest of you gain a new medal!

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Who is Team Plasma, really? This Medal is for those who met them in battle.

The next scenario will come really soon (either tonight or tomorrow), and anyone is free to sign up, and chat in this thread expressing interest (even those who are in this already) in the meantime!
 
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