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[Anime] Shipping Debates

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You're about right, but as you progress in the world of shipping, you realize there's these freakin weird people that ship Pokemon and Humans. For your mental sake, you may have to redefine shipping. But that's good for now.
I suppose we shouldn't be letting you handle explaining what it is. It's comments like that that give the other hetero-norms a bad name.


@kessie (cute name, btw)
Shipping is a system of support within fandom (with no direct correlation to canon). If you support two (or three, or five) people together, then you are a shipper of those characters, and you support a shipping. By your own admission, you are an Abilityshipper, because you believe Ash and Anabel are a couple you support.

Now, if instead you wanted...say, Ash and Ritchie to be together, you would be a Leagueshipper. If you support...um, Roark and Gardenia as a couple, you would be a Mossshipper. If you support Skuntank and Absol, you are a Morrowshipper. If you support Brock and Charizard, you would be a Deniedshipper.

Shipping is support and preference. ....And should be also about preaching tolerance. <.< Pokémon's a big world; a lot goes on in it.
 
I'm pretty new here, so new that I think the term "shipping" is like crushes and stuff, right? Well I hope I'm right.

I wish it could happen, but Ash & Anabel would make the perfect couple. She's the Psychic Pokemon battle frontier Brain, and she's definitely got a thing for Ash, but he doesn't know it. I really wish they would quit making these 'Shipping' things come and go, or at least be heard from again in later episodes. She was one of the only people that liked Ash, that was normal. Then again, I'm not up to D&P yet only halfway through S9 so brb..

my B if this has already been mentioned in the... 23 pages of text.

Ha. Oh. 23 pages of text can be boiled down to very little about shipping--at least, little that you would run the risk of repeating, anyway.

So yeah, Frostik's answer was good, and AK's thing about Amazon is right on the money, but I just wanted to add that "ship" comes from the term "relationship" (which, incidentally, came about around a decade ago in reference to Rocketshipping, my favorite ship). Just a little history in case you were unaware of that. Oh, and welcome! :) If you stick around, best prepare your shield...
 
Was I predicting? I was merely telling the truth.






So it seems like this time, there will be a relationship between the girl and third-person (this time Dento). Because there was hardly any relationship between Dawn and Brock.

Come to think of it, I can see how Iris and Dento can work out. If she has some hidden "village-power" of some kind...

Telling the truth=No.
You can't see into the future, so you don't know a thing about that.
I do think Iris and Dento will develope a friendship, now I'll force my opinion on every one and say, friendship only not relationship Hurray!
It will be like Gymshipping you know BrockxMisty? But AshxIris will be closer like all the main girlxAsh ships are.

AdvancedK47 I know many Negaishippers on many forums so don't worry.

Kessie I ship abilityshipping too, thought they were cute together.
 
Telling the truth=No.
You can't see into the future, so you don't know a thing about that.

lol wow there's no need to be defensive. I don't know how long you've been in the fandom, but I do know no ship with Ash works out like they should.
 
lol wow there's no need to be defensive. I don't know how long you've been in the fandom, but I do know no ship with Ash works out like they should.

I've been with Pokemon since series one, so I know how it works. Girl gets switched every series, which is why I'm a multi Ash shipper. Fandom wise, I forget how long but these forums just recently. I understand your point of view too, just don't like people acting like some things a fact is all when we haven't even seen the show yet :)
 
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What? o_O

So it seems like this time, there will be a relationship between the girl and third-person (this time Dento). Because there was hardly any relationship between Dawn and Brock.

Come to think of it, I can see how Iris and Dento can work out. If she has some hidden "village-power" of some kind...

Good thing you're not a Pearlshipper, I mean.

I hope they do it right this time round - Dawn and Brock only talked during battles (and that wasn't even a legitimate conversation), and they only talked for one sentence in the recent episode, but Ash was there.

C8 That would be an interesting pair...

Also. I thought I said only Iris x Ash. Damn it you insubordinate people!

Shut up. You don't own the thread. We have free speech. If you like your LOVELY ship so much make your own ship thread and make a fuss out of it.

Geez. Rabid shippers.
 
Eh? What's Brock and Dawn's interactions have to do with being a Pearlshipper? I admit it was bad, it was like they were hardly friends and just joined up cuz of Ash. That doesn't mean its bad being a Pearlshipper =/ They had good chemistry, well my opinion any ways, they interacted a lot too and helped each other out with many problems. I've just realized I've been posting a lot in this threadXD


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I also hope Iris and Dento have more of a friendship than what Brock and Dawn did, I mean like I said more of the lines like Brock and Misty. You could tell they were friends for sure. Of course I want Ash to develope a friendship with both of them too, I want this group to have chemistry and for people to say this was the best group since the Kanto days. I've been hearing people say, wow the D/P group was so bad cuz Dawn and Brock hardly had any interactions blah blah I didn't mind it, I mean Brock's always kind of been apart from the gang, he was slightly better in AG with shopping with May that's all. So I'm glad Brock's leaving cuz of that.
 
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I've been watching a few clips of the earlier series's recently, and it seems that, pretty much in general, the conversations the group have together in DP are dull and bland in comparison. Do even Ash and Dawn really have interesting conversations together? Maybe one or two arguments in the early DP episodes. At least Ash and Misty used to tease each other and joke about, and at times, even Brock. I was pretty amazed actually, even early Johto Ash still had some personality left in him o.O

I'm watching one of the season 1 episodes now. The openings really weren't that much better back then. Hehe, the song is so 90's sounding. Po-kuh-mon. Misty has a dream about her being on an expensive cruise sunbathing, and Brock shatters it; after Jessie says "radical", Ash says, "do you know anyone who says "radical" anymore?". Random, small amusing interactions like that are what's missing from DP :( I can't even imagine DP Ash making an observation like that.
 
Tachibana Azumi said:
Good thing you're not a Pearlshipper, I mean.

Ah...

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Random, small amusing interactions like that are what's missing from DP :( I can't even imagine DP Ash making an observation like that.

Probably due to the fact that the franchise has received such milkage, and has become bloated because of it. Or in other words, it's hit mainstream popularity that you don't see originality that much.
 
I've been watching a few clips of the earlier series's recently, and it seems that, pretty much in general, the conversations the group have together in DP are dull and bland in comparison. Do even Ash and Dawn really have interesting conversations together? Maybe one or two arguments in the early DP episodes. At least Ash and Misty used to tease each other and joke about, and at times, even Brock. I was pretty amazed actually, even early Johto Ash still had some personality left in him o.O

I'm watching one of the season 1 episodes now. The openings really weren't that much better back then. Hehe, the song is so 90's sounding. Po-kuh-mon. Misty has a dream about her being on an expensive cruise sunbathing, and Brock shatters it; after Jessie says "radical", Ash says, "do you know anyone who says "radical" anymore?". Random, small amusing interactions like that are what's missing from DP :( I can't even imagine DP Ash making an observation like that.

Oh man haha you're so right! I agree, the newer female leads don't have great interactions with him. Ash and Misty seemed like, "Hey we're friends because even though we get on each other's nerves, we still joke around and are doing this together." May and Dawn seem more like, "Hey, we're friends... BECAUSE THE WRITERS SAY SO."
 
Oh man haha you're so right! I agree, the newer female leads don't have great interactions with him. Ash and Misty seemed like, "Hey we're friends because even though we get on each other's nerves, we still joke around and are doing this together." May and Dawn seem more like, "Hey, we're friends... BECAUSE THE WRITERS SAY SO."

Guess we feel different, for me it seemed like Misty was forced into the group herself. Ash didn't even want her around with him in the begining, she just stalked him to join the group. At least Dawn and May asked to join and Ash was ok with it. Friendship between Ash and the two girls started from the start, Misty took till series 2 maybe for me to see a friendship between them. Still found it extra annoying in Jhoto how Misty kept saying mean things to Ash when he didn't deserve it, which is why I don't ship Pokeshipping.
 
Upon meeting Ash for the first time, Misty thought he was an insensitive trainer. She sees how seriously injured his Pikachu was, and comes to the conclusion that he simply doesn't care about his Pokémon. She was concerned about his Pikachu, and even told him where he could go to heal it. All of a sudden, they see a flock of angry Spearow heading towards them. He takes her bike without asking. She's confused about what's going on. She's bothered by his behavior. It's feasible, because it happened so suddenly. Then, we, the audience, see what happened with the Spearow. We know that Ash is a good guy, but HELLO! Misty doesn't! She has no idea. She doesn't know him like we do. Remember, Misty was never told about what happened to her bike. She wasn't there when it happened. Later, Ash is at the Pokémon center taking care of Pikachu. Misty enters, insulting him for destroying her bike. She still thinks he's an insensitive jerk. Then, Team Rocket shows up, not giving them a chance to explain what happened. They work together and get Team Rocket to leave. She's still ticked off about him, thinking he's not a nice person. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. He doesn't understand why she's angry with him. Meanwhile, neither of them explained their side of the story to the other in order to understand each other. Instead of telling her what happened, he tried running away from the situation.

Later, Misty learns Ash really does care about Pokémon. She's pleased knowing that. This is when she discovers she was wrong about him being a bad guy. He didn't see her reaction or even heard her. The problem is now, Ash is mad at her for how she treated him, and he's rude towards her. She gets upset about it. She just learned she was wrong, and now he's not giving her a chance. He's wondering why she's following him, and she lies saying it's because of her bike. He tells her to get over it. She thinks he's being insensitive again.

She's actually following him, because she wants to get to know him better. He doesn't know how to pick up on subtle hints, and that pushes her buttons. Misty is wondering, "How does he not get it?" With Ash, you have to be straightforward with him, or else he won't get what you're trying to say.

If the episode was from Misty's point of view, you'd see Ash as some rude, careless trainer who doesn't care about his Pokémon's condition, who took her bike without permission and destroyed it on her. He never explained the situation to her! If he did, she would have been okay with it. He didn't think he had to. He actually thought Misty was only following him for her bike. It is clear Misty was lying. She even stuttered like she was trying to come up with an excuse to be with him. Misty is the type of person who doesn't express herself in a straightforward way. She's subtle and mysterious. You have to be in her shoes to really understand her.

Look at how her sisters treat her. Doesn't it seem like Misty treats Ash the same way her sisters treat her? That's how her sisters show love. That's the only way she knows how to behave. Ash is completely ignorant and doesn't realize Misty's feelings. Also, he teases her. She cares and he's hurting her feelings. She cares about his opinion of her. Ash and Misty argued, because they never talked things out, thoroughly. Misty began to develop feelings for him and even cried when he wasn't around. She didn't want anyone to let Ash know how she felt about him, because she feared he would reject her. Look at when Team Rocket called Ash and Misty lovebirds. They stared at each other blushing, shocked. They didn't think the other one actually cared, so they denied their feelings. "Aww, they're blushing!" exclaimed Jessie. James added, "Kissy kissy!' Ash seemed sad when he's said "It's not true!" He also got jealous when Rudy liked her, and when Misty showed Danny affection. She probably did it, because Ash denied liking her, saying "you must be crazy!" She was trying to be with those other guys, to heal her broken heart. But, when she had to choose between Rudy and Ash, she chose Ash. She still had feelings for him. Rudy was a nice guy, and seemed perfect, but she loves Ash. That must be why she would sometimes tease him for "no reason." She was still hurt by what he said in that cage. She didn't want to show emotions in front of him, because she had a tough facade. She assumed Ash would be smart enough to pick up on her hints, but he wasn't. He was completely clueless. He was also very arrogant, and thought he can be great at Pokémon with minimal effort. Training Pokémon takes lot of work. You can't slack off with it. Misty was trying to show him that, but he was getting very defensive by her remarks, and vice versa. He didn't want to admit he was wrong to her. He felt he had to prove something to her. Why would he care what she thinks? She says something, and he gets defensive. Why does he care about her opinion of him?
Brock was annoyed about the constant arguing. He'd see why they're doing it, but he wouldn't tell Ash why Misty is mad. Misty got incredibly jealous and offended when Ash thought Giselle was pretty. She would pull Brock's ear, because she doesn't want Ash to copy Brock's behavior. (However, that is a theory.) Another theory would be that she didn't want Brock to leave, because if he found someone, he'd be out of the group. She needed someone to get along with and talk about Ash to. I think Brock knew Misty's feelings for Ash. Even Team Rocket pointed it out. However, no one told Ash why Misty was there. Misty didn't want Ash to know her feelings, because of the cage incident.
Notice how the arguing lessoned in the Orange Islands and Johto? The bike wasn't mentioned as much. When Misty got her bike back, she was disappointed. She lost her fake excuse for staying with him. She was upset thinking he didn't even care. He thought she was only there for the bike. She was there because she liked him, and he didn't realize. Later in the episode, he compliments her and tells her that he thinks they met for a reason. It was meant to be for them to meet and become friends. He was being kind to her, and it made her feel better. It showed he does care about her feelings. When he cried, it showed he cared about her. That's what she wanted all along. To know he cares. But, them being young, and them off on separate goals, they need time apart to grow. Misty has to take care of the gym, and Ash is going from region to region collecting badges. She came back a few times, and he wanted to be with her. He was the first to run after the blimp that Misty was in. Also, he waved with both hands, and Misty looked really happy. (Note, he didn't even bother try hanging out with May in her cameo. He let her hang out with Dawn.) Also, he's very protective of his Misty lure, and doesn't want Dawn to hold it. Why would he care so much about a lure? Misty doesn't get mad at him anymore. She matured while she was away from him.
I think Ash starts fights with May and Dawn, because deep down, he misses arguing with Misty. He even behaved the way Misty did when May and Dawn would act the way he used to. He'd scold them and tell them what they did wrong. However, he apologized for it, because he didn't want them to have a grudge against him. The other two girls were upset by Ash's remarks. His first female friend left unexpectedly. Ash didn't cry when May left, because he knew she'd be back just like Misty came back. Also, May seemed to have feelings for Drew. Ash was a good friend to her, and didn't want to interfere. He got jealous when Misty would show affection to Rudy and Danny, but didn't care when Drew flirted with May. He didn't even care when Kenny teased Dawn. I think Ash knows that Kenny likes Dawn, but won't say anything. Like Brock said, when someone likes someone else, they tease the person, because they don't know any other way. Ash said, "of course!" I think that's when Dawn realized Kenny may like her at that point. That was a hint for Pokeshipping, Contestshipping AND Penguinshipping.

If the writers didn't like Misty, why would they even have her as a character in the first place? It's on the contract that only her voice actress can play the role, but she's off doing something else. May and Dawn got replaced, because it wouldn't be fair if they stayed and Misty didn't. Also, May and Dawn were only there to advertise the games. Misty stayed for Kanto, Orange Islands, and Johto. GameFreak made it so half the Hoenn region was in Water! Even Manaphy was a water type. Misty would have enjoyed it. It was like GameFreak made it for her. But, sadly, her voice actress left. In Sinnoh, they evolved Misty's baby Pokemon, Togepi, into Togekiss. But, since the writers set it free, they had to give it to Dawn instead. Now, in Issu, there appears to be a Luvdisc evolution. Misty has a Luvdisc as seen in Pokemon Chronicles. Maybe she'll evolve hers if she gets a cameo?
Misty has shown that she cares about him. The two of them have been through so much together. She taught him a lot. Ash does for May and Dawn what Misty did for him. It's like he's doing that to honor her. He even has her handkerchief and her Misty lure. Brock is also Misty's friend, yet she never gave him any gifts. Ash uses her presents without her there. He was even proud to show his lure to Dawn, but wouldn't let her use it. (IMO, it was a cute moment.) I think if Misty and Ash do get together, it will be when he's older. Ash only took out the ribbon when May showed up. It's not like he looked at it when she wasn't there. Misty was very special to him. He treats May and Dawn as friends. The writers make references to the past sometimes, to show that Ash's past still matters. Just because she has an obligation to her gym and isn't always around, doesn't mean she doesn't care. She knows he has a goal, and he's getting better at it. Also, Brock has been with him. She saw him in the Hoenn league on a television set. But, she has a responsibility to the gym. She knows he's in good hands, and he'll always be in her heart. Just because someone isn't around you all the time, doesn't mean they don't still care. Like she said in Pokémon 2000, "Ash is never really alone, because he has …me." Misty is a good person, too. I'm still a Pokeshipper, because I have faith that these two, despite whatever misunderstandings they've had, still care for one another, and when they're older, they can have a future together. Misty cares the most. If anything, the other girls are just infatuated with him in my opinion.

I apologize if this was a bit tl;dr, but it's 3 pages on word. When I saw the old episodes, I watched from Misty's POV.
 
I'm sorta impressed by your determination to write that big freakin wall of text.

And I agree. By looking at this from Misty's side, you have to be able to tell she had feelings for Ash.

But, in the end, Ash was still a clueless and immature 10 year old early on. That one little barrier is what makes Pokeshipping an absolute joke. No matter how much fact it was that Misty had feelings. It's more reasonable to support Advanceshipping because of the mentor relationship. More reasonable for Pearlshipping because their attitude is a BFF attitude. And more reasonable for Negaishipping... umm. Give me a few months and I'll have something good. Trust me.
 
It's more reasonable to support Advanceshipping because of the mentor relationship.

Yeah, by what three, four episodes?

More reasonable for Pearlshipping because their attitude is a BFF attitude.

Which was actually throughout the whole series.
 
Fine, so Misty treats Ash that way cuz of how her sisters treated her? Just cuz of that doesn't mean I support it, I hate abusive relationships like that. Ash is my favorite character and I don't like seeing him get yelled at or hurt for no reason even if its how she treats people she loves. Its just not how I like relationships normally. Also I don't see how they were hinting at Penguineshipping? Contestshipping yah. Penguineshipping? Every person Dawn had to choose between, she went with Ash. Appealshipping? Zoey asked Dawn if she wanted to go with her, what happened? She went with Ash to cheer him on the entire league. Penguineshipping? Kenny was jealous of AshxDawn's relationship the whole series, finally he went crazy in his last episode and had to battle Ash for Dawn to travel with him. Again, what happened? Dawn turned him down to stay with Ash, it looks like she's not heading off with Kenny since in the last episode of D/P she's at her home. Also, I still say Misty was forced into the group due to just stalking Ash. Some of you said Dawn and May were? Like I said at least Ash said it was ok for them to come, Misty just followed him. That was the only reason for bringing that up.

But nice paragraph I must say Sweet Smoochum.
 
*Observes that the claws are out* I do think it's something we'll have to agree to disagree on. Plainly, if a girl isn't in the series anymore, the ship becomes deactivated. Maybe temporarily, but it will not happen with Misty, May, or now Dawn unless they return in some form.

I just think Misty's more likely of the three to return to Ash at the end... *dodges bullets*
 
*Observes that the claws are out* I do think it's something we'll have to agree to disagree on. Plainly, if a girl isn't in the series anymore, the ship becomes deactivated. Maybe temporarily, but it will not happen with Misty, May, or now Dawn unless they return in some form.

I just think Misty's more likely of the three to return to Ash at the end... *dodges bullets*

And I think Dawn's more likely since she's the newest girl of the cast that just leftXD
 
I just think Misty's more likely of the three to return to Ash at the end... *dodges bullets*

So, what's that piece of iron that's like one centimeter away from your bra─... Oh well, too late. I guess I better move to Mexico before anyone finds out about this.

And I think Dawn's more likely since she's the newest girl of the cast that just leftXD

According to that logic, Iris is more likely. She looks sexier in the anime than in her artwork.
 
So, what's that piece of iron that's like one centimeter away from your bra─...

o_O

According to that logic, Iris is more likely. She looks sexier in the anime than in her artwork.

Aagrhh, enough with the Iris-drooling. >< It's driving me nuts since you've jumped ship.
 
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