6th Gen Corocoro (release for July) and E3 Speculation and Discussion thread

["HoneyClaws"]

I never liked the over-sexualization of Skyla either. Im pretty sure GF wont have too many sexualized females. Its still a game meant for all ages after all.

I'm more concerned about the reduction of the "cool/badass" factor that came out of the pokecentric stylization the past 4 gens had on their characters, the detail, the unique outfits that reflected their world and their skill to their personalities. I'm disappointed that this unwritten role was not carried over in this game despite Gen 3 having the most particularly stylized visuals in the franchise. Since Gen 5 that was all lost in favour of simplicity only worsened by X/Y. Look at Calem wears compared to what Lucas or Red used to wear, major downgrade with the "modern" hypster look taking over, the unreasonably tight pants, awkward had and unused glasses really depress me. I don't GF to take real-world tacky trends as their inspiration anymore. Theres no creativity, no complexity, no detail at all.

This is what I feel has ruined May as well, there isnt any style to her at all anymore.

Except Kris and Lyra aren't technically the same character.

Rhetorically speaking - pretending if they were, is what is basically happening to may and what they might as well be doing. The example was taking Kris the original character we identify with, redesigning her (Lyra) and expecting the followers to see that as the same character. The degree of alteration I see done to May might as well be making her another character.

 

[Belldandy]

May just looks quirky now. Brendan was well-updated to avoid confusion about his hat (thankfully), but May's bangs are just blah. She doesn't have any hips, either; she just looks like a plank. I hope customization returns.

 

[DJTiki]

I'm more concerned about the reduction of the "cool/badass" factor that came out of the pokecentric stylization the past 4 gens had on their characters, the detail, the unique outfits that reflected their world and their skill to their personalities. I'm disappointed that this unwritten role was not carried over in this game despite Gen 3 having the most particularly stylized visuals in the franchise. Since Gen 5 that was all lost in favour of simplicity only worsened by X/Y. Look at Calem wears compared to what Lucas or Red used to wear, major downgrade with the "modern" hypster look taking over, the unreasonably tight pants, awkward had and unused glasses really depress me. I don't GF to take real-world tacky trends as their inspiration anymore. Theres no creativity, no complexity, no detail at all.

This is what I feel has ruined May as well, there isnt any style to her at all anymore.

Rhetorically speaking - pretending if they were, is what is basically happening to may and what they might as well be doing. The example was taking Kris the original character we identify with, redesigning her (Lyra) and expecting the followers to see that as the same character. The degree of alteration I see done to May might as well be making her another character.

Well then again each generation had their own look to it and different themes
Gen1 had the basic look and themes to be found in a series beginnings
Gen2 had the somewhat of the same themes but were more fresh and refined.
Gen3 had the conflicting themes are tropical and mountain-esque rough looking, along with alot of nature
Gen4 had a lot of atmosphere, conflicting godly Pokemon, it had an epic feel
Gen5 went back to the basics had that with a combination of style to it(Alder, and the starting gym)
Gen6 had obviously the beauty theme

 

["HoneyClaws"]

Well then again each generation had their own look to it and different themes

Whats the theme now? Everyone looks like a damn flashy-fashionista now post-X/Y.-_-
Isnt it also weird that Team Magma is all about heat yet Aqua are the tanned ones?

I was honestly hoping for a retro look to the game...kinda sad that it seems they've just copied the X and Y look... Makes me less excited for the game.

Team Magma looks almost exactly like Team-Flare now with horns.

Tabitha became a big fatso

I didnt even notice what they did to Tabitha. His old sprite used to look menacing, he used to look like a psychopath. Now hes just that clumsy, fat screw up character type.~_~

 

[DJTiki]

Whats the theme now? Everyone looks like a damn flashy-fashionista now post-X/Y.-_-
Isnt it also weird that Team Magma is all about heat yet Aqua are the tanned ones?


Team Magma looks almost exactly like Team-Flare now with horns.

I didnt even notice what they did to Tabitha. His old sprite used to look menacing, he used to look like a psychopath. Now hes just that clumsy, fat screw up character type.~_~

Well thats pretty much it, the same theme as nature, with a combination of flashy, somewhat unjustified if you ask me. But I'm fine with it.

 

[antemortem]

you can't honestly think May could be confused as an entirely new character ahah

 

[DJTiki]

Do you know how much i will laugh if that was the case. and here we were so worried.

 

["HoneyClaws"]

Well thats pretty much it, the same theme as nature, with a combination of flashy, somewhat unjustified if you ask me. But I'm fine with it.

Unjustified is just that. It doesnt make sense. The Wetsuit for Brendan I perfectly get. If they wanted a theme they could have had that as the consistancy, make the protagonists more like those animal watchers, or marine biologists or something. That would be fine. Having the residue of Gen 6's tacky-fashion obession seep into this game is what throws away any sense of structured theme at all. The giant bow is just there to look obnoxious. There is no reason behind it.

 

[DJTiki]

Unjustified is just that. It doesnt make sense. The Wetsuit for Brendan I perfectly get. If they wanted a theme they could have had that as the consistancy, make the protagonists more like those animal watchers, or marine biologists or something. That would be fine. Having the residue of Gen 6's tacky-fashion obession seep into this game is what throws away any sense of structured theme at all. The giant bow is just there to look obnoxious. There is no reason behind it.

I can't actually argue considering I hated Team Flare, Lysandre excluded. So I can see why you would be upset.

 

[Cerberus87]

LOL @ Team Magma looking like Team Flare. The differences are obvious. The only similarity is that they're both red, and not even the same shade of red.

 

[DJTiki]

No its mainly Maxie, who looks like one of their tacky scientists.

 

[psy_commando]

I'm mostly concerned with Brawly, after seeing what happened to Tabitha.
(I also don't want any of the female Gym Leaders or Elite Four to become over-sexualized, they had perfectly fine designs originally.)

I'm sure Brawly will rival mega swampert in terms of muscle bulk, if the other redesigns are any indications XD

And yeah, definitely I hope they don't go too crazy with them and the rest..

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I'd be a bit better at ease with Brendan if he didnt have that exaggerated, anime happy-go-lucky look in his face from that picture. It was fine when he had that normal smile in the old artwork and confident look, now he looks weird to stare at.

I didn't like shauna much either.. But then again, the "friends" in X/Y were incredibly shallow, even for a pokemon game ! Its really too bad because I liked where some of them were heading. Trevor reminded me of Max in the advanced series anime, and Tierno was.. different. Ultimately, Tierno ended up staring in many unflattering drawings on the miiverse, but not doing much else..

What annoys me the most in the designs is the slenderman look they give their characters since gen 6.. Well, actually, they were always kinda thin, but now, its just approaching uncanny valley..
The characters in X/Y looked kinda creepy at times.. :/

I guess I'll have to live with it.. Hopefully, they still got a couple more chances of not disappointing me enough to skip this one..

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I don't GF to take real-world tacky trends as their inspiration anymore. Theres no creativity, no complexity, no detail at all.

This is what I feel has ruined May as well, there isnt any style to her at all anymore.
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Well, I wouldn't say there is no creativity. Creativity is mainly subjective, there can be creativity in doing something ugly/disliked or beautiful/liked. But I gotta admit, her clothes do look kinda plain now.. The green accents added a nice touch.

[QUOTE="HoneyClaws";]
I didnt even notice what they did to Tabitha. His old sprite used to look menacing, he used to look like a psychopath. Now hes just that clumsy, fat screw up character type.
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Retconned into a cheesy-looking comic relief character, a sad demise.. He was the only vilain I identified with.. (well mainly in the anime)
Well, by identify, I don't mean I don't like any other villains, because the Rocket Trio and etc, are still some of my favorites.

But still, if they freaking fix mightyena/poochyena for the remake, that would completely make everything right for me :3
With the physical / special split from the types, the never ending upgrades to all the other pokes in Hoenn, and the lack of updates on poochyena/mightyena I can't really see how it'll be able to do its job better, or even just as well as it used to during the SP campaign in Emerald..

 

["HoneyClaws"]

I can't actually argue considering I hated Team Flare, Lysandre excluded. So I can see why you would be upset.

I hated team flare because they were boring and were underdeveloped completely with a terrible early motivation and etc... horrible team. It seemed like they were trying to go for the classic-team rocket look where everyone looked the same, grunts were all useless and Admins were nothing but talk. I never understood how Genwunners people prefered that. The only team that scheme worked best for was Team Snaggem, where they were pretty strong and their Admins could actually back up their taunts.

I'm happy Team Magma and Team Aqua, were given individuality, more so than expected. Getting the team Galactic treatment is fine with me but would be even better if they added new Admins rather than distort the old ones. Shelly looks like the polar opposite of what she used to be. I don't even know whos who anymore, thus the nostalgia factor for these remakes to work is lost. If they were going to just change all the characters this might as well be a sequel. Though I do like to assume the Team Aqua members are all black now considering we barely have any black people in the games but would rather they be their own characters.

 

[DJTiki]

I hated team flare because they were boring and were underdeveloped completely with a terrible early motivation and etc... horrible team. It seemed like they were trying to go for the classic-team rocket look where everyone looked the same, grunts were all useless and Admins were nothing but talk. I never understood how Genwunners liked that. The only team that scheme worked best for was Team Snaggem, where they were pretty strong and their Admins could actually back up their taunts.

I'm happy Team Magma and Team Aqua, were given individuality, more so than expected. Getting the team Galactic treatment is fine with me but would be even better if they added new Admins rather than distort the old ones. Shelly looks like the polar opposite of what she used to be. I don't even know whos who anymore, thus the nostalgia factor for these remakes to work is lost. If they were going to just change all the characters this might as well be a sequel. Though I do like to assume the Team Aqua members are all black now considering we barely have any black people in the games but would rather they be their own characters.

Yeah, i really, really, really, really hated Team Flare, they were just there, and they had little to no development what so ever.

 

[bewbs]

Team Flare were just a lame rocket clone. Anyway I love the new mega-evos. Megadiance looks beautiful.

 

[Cerberus87]

I hated team flare because they were boring and were underdeveloped completely with a terrible early motivation and etc... horrible team. It seemed like they were trying to go for the classic-team rocket look where everyone looked the same, grunts were all useless and Admins were nothing but talk. I never understood how Genwunners liked that. The only team that scheme worked best for was Team Snaggem, where they were pretty strong and their Admins could actually back up their taunts.

I'm happy Team Magma and Team Aqua, were given individuality, more so than expected. Getting the team Galactic treatment is fine with me but would be even better if they added new Admins rather than distort the old ones. Shelly looks like the polar opposite of what she used to be. I don't even know whos who anymore, thus the nostalgia factor for these remakes to work is lost. If they were going to just change all the characters this might as well be a sequel. Though I do like to assume the Team Aqua members are all black now considering we barely have any black people in the games but would rather they be their own characters.

But, you know... Grunts are all useless. In all games. And the admins/sages are all talk. In all games. Except Ghetsis in BW.

Calling 1st gen fans "genwunners" doesn't help your case, too. Do you want me to call you a "hoennbabby" because you feel so sad about the redesigns?

Team Flare were just a lame rocket clone.

All of them teams are.

 

["HoneyClaws"]

I didn't like shauna much either.. But then again, the "friends" in X/Y were incredibly shallow, even for a pokemon game ! Its really too bad because I liked where some of them were heading. Trevor reminded me of Max in the advanced series anime, and Tierno was.. different. Ultimately, Tierno ended up staring in many unflattering drawings on the miiverse, but not doing much else..

Were coming to that age where rivals arent even challenging anymore, everyone just wants to be your friends and skip down the yellow brick road. What happened to the badasses I was used to? The rivals that actually wanted to surpass you and humiliate you through it? That ended at Gen 2.

What annoys me the most in the designs is the slenderman look they give their characters since gen 6.. Well, actually, they were always kinda thin, but now, its just approaching uncanny valley.. The characters in X/Y looked kinda creepy at times..

If you mean in game, yes their blank stares looked really strange especially with only one facial expression.

I wouldn't say there is no creativity. Creativity is mainly subjective, there can be creativity in doing something ugly/disliked or beautiful/liked. But I gotta admit, her clothes do look kinda plain now.. The green accents added a nice touch.

the problem for me seems to be the lack of pokecentric art we're getting. The clothing just looks like generic clothing to fit anime memes instead of keeping consistency with the in-universe.

But still, if they freaking fix mightyena/poochyena for the remake, that would completely make everything right for me :3
With the physical / special split from the types, the never ending upgrades to all the other pokes in Hoenn, and the lack of updates on poochyena/mightyena I can't really see how it'll be able to do its job better, or even just as well as it used to during the SP campaign in Emerald..

I really wish they would evolve some regular pokemon first and not just Mega-glue everything. Like Sableye. First stage pokemon should never get a mega. I'd rather a longer chain; and Mightyena needs a Third Stage before a Mega. Its really weak.

All of them teams are.

Nope. Not all the teams did the same thing and some achieved more than others on different levels of competence.

Calling 1st gen fans "genwunners" doesn't help your case, too. Do you want me to call you a "hoennbabby" because you feel so sad about the redesigns?
All of them teams are.

Excuse it as a poor choice of words. I'm no different in this situation. :(

 

[DJTiki]

Were coming to that age where rivals arent even challenging anymore, everyone just wants to be your friends and skip down the yellow brick road. What happened to the badasses I was used to? The rivals that actually wanted to surpass you and humiliate you through it? That ended at Gen 2.

If you mean in game, yes their blank stares looked really strange especially with only one facial expression.
the problem for me seems to be the lack of pokecentric art we're getting. The clothing just looks like generic clothing to fit anime memes instead of keeping consistency with the in-universe.

I really wish they would evolve some regular pokemon first and not just Mega-glue everything. Like Sableye. First stage pokemon should never get a mega. I'd rather a longer chain; and Mightyena needs a Third Stage before a Mega. Its really weak.

I would probably have to disagree that somewhat challenging rivals ended at Gen 2, call me a "Genfiver" or whatever, but Hugh and N were not that bad. Considering N caught a legendary and the only rival to battle you with all 17 types at the time, and Hugh, while little developed, wasn't all that bad. But i will agree that rivals were best in its early stages, and that XYs rivals, or should I say tag-alongs, were boring, annoying, and easy as hell.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

I would probably have to disagree that somewhat challenging rivals ended at Gen 2, call me a "Genfiver" or whatever, but Hugh and N were not that bad. Considering N caught a legendary and the only rival to battle you with all 17 types at the time, and Hugh, while little developed, wasn't all that bad. But i will agree that rivals were best in its early stages, and that XYs rivals, or should I say tag-alongs, were boring, annoying, and easy as hell.

N was the villainous team leader so I don't consider him a Rival. For me Hugh was one of the easiest, but that may or may not have something to do with our teams having been different.

I think Barry was the last true hard rival.

Anyways after the redesigns perhaps this is what GF meant by "New World" in their ad...some of them are unrecognizable xD.

 

[DJTiki]

N was the villainous team leader so I don't consider him a Rival. For me Hugh was one of the easiest, but that may or may not have something to do with our teams having been different.

I think Barry was the last true hard rival.

Anyways after the redesigns perhaps this is what GF meant by "New World" in their ad...some of them are unrecognizable xD.

Barry was cool, and thats that.
Anyone who disagrees will pay me $10000000000000