Counter that Pokemon! (READ THE FREAKING FIRST POST)

[rob_thijs]

Torterra @ leftovers
Ability: Shell armor
Nature sassy
EV's 252 Sp.def / 251 / sp. attk / 7 attk
- Grass Pledge
- Synthesis
- Outrage
- Grassy Terrain

How is that a counter?

Lanturn moves first and uses Ice Beam on Torterra.

252 SpA Torterra Giga Drain vs. 196 HP / 60 SpD Lanturn: 200-236 (45.4 - 53.6%) -- 40.2% chance to 2HKO Grass pledge has 80 and giga drain has 75 so I used it as comparison. Cause pledge is not in the calculating options.
4 Atk Torterra Outrage vs. 196 HP / 0 Def Lanturn: 145-171 (32.9 - 38.8%) -- 99.8% chance to 3HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Lanturn Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 252+ SpD Torterra: 364-432 (109.9 - 130.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[Nah]

Posting counter to Torterra:

-Cryogonal w/Focus Sash
Nature: Timid
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Sp.Attack, 252 Speed, 4 Defense
Moves: Ice Beam Freeze Dry, Rapid Spin, Hidden Power Ground

7 Atk Torterra Outrage vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Cryogonal: 226-266 (80.4 - 94.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Cryogonal Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 252+ SpD Torterra: 384-456 (116 - 137.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[Megan]

Bronzong @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Brave Nature
- Trick Room
- Earthquake
- Gyro Ball
- Explosion

Wall'd

 

[Professor_Jared]

Heatran@Air Balloon
Ability: Flash Fire
Nature: Timid Nature
EVs: 252 Special Attack/4 Defense/252 Speed

Move set:
Lava Plume
Earth Power
Flash Cannon
Toxic

Oh what's that Charizard X, you sacrificed one of your dragon stabs just to use Earthquake as a coverage move for Heatran? Well what if that Heatran was lifted up by an air balloon and you can't pop it, because you sacrificed your Dragon STAB move in place of Earthquake. Oh yeah, and did I mention Flare Blitz and Will-O-Wisp only make Heatran's fire attacks stronger via Flash Fire.

So toxic stall or death by Earth Power for Bulky Will-o-wisp Zard X.

 

[Kameken]

Charizard @ Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 248 HP / 142 SpD / 114 Spe
Careful
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Will-O-Wisp
- Roost

GG, no re

 

[Professor_Jared]

Altaria@Altarianite
Ability: Pixilate
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 Special Attack

Moveset:
Hyper Voice
Draco Meteor
Heal Bell
Roost

0+ Atk Mega Charizard X Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mega Altaria: 73-87 (20.6 - 24.5%) -- guaranteed 5HKO

4+ SpA Mega Altaria Draco Meteor vs. 248 HP / 142+ SpD Mega Charizard X: 300-354 (83.5 - 98.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

4+ SpA Pixilate Mega Altaria Hyper Voice vs. 248 HP / 142+ SpD Mega Charizard X: 135-159 (37.6 - 44.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Poofy the Mega Altaria: heals burns, tanks Earthquake, and heals the damage off. Dragon Claw does nothing to it, and Poofy in turn can Hyper Voice Mega Charizard X to death or destroy it with Draco Meteor.

 

[faf]

@ Focus Sash
Trait: Wonder Guard
EVs: 252atk/252spe/4 whatever
Adamant nature (+Atk, -Sp. Atk)
-Will-o-Wisp
-Swords Dance
-Shadow Sneak
-X-Scissor

'sup bruh! Can freely set up and plus Roost only has 16 PP so stalling Shedinja out wouldn't work.
+6 252+ Atk Shedinja Shadow Sneak vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Altaria: 151-178 (42.6 - 50.2%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO

 

[Nah]

Arcanine w/Life Orb
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Moves: Flare Blitz, Close Combat, Wild Charge, Extreme Speed

Your only attack is a Fire one? And I have Flash Fire? Oooh, sucks for you.

 

[Professor_Jared]

Clefable@Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
Nature: Bold
252 HP/252 Def/4 SpDef

Move set:
Calm Mind
Moonblast
Softboiled
Thunder Wave

252+ Atk Choice Band Salamence Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 162-191 (41.1 - 48.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Salamence: 264-312 (79.7 - 94.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Clefable comes in, paralyzes Salamence with Thunder Wave, heals off the damage possibly dealt to it by Earthquake with Soft-boiled, gets off a calm mind, and proceeds to decimate it with Moonblast.

 

[Thursday]

Steelix@Steelixite
Ability: Rock Head/Sand Force
Nature: Sassy
252 HP/252 Sp.Def/4 Def

Move set:
Earthquake
Heavy Slam
Aqua Tail
Thunder Fang

Steelix when switching:
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Steelix: 46-54 (12.9 - 15.2%) -- possible 7HKO

Steelix after mega evolving:
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Mega Steelix: 36-43 (10.1 - 12.1%) -- possible 9HKO

0 Atk Mega Steelix Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 276-326 (70 - 82.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Mega Steelix Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 115-136 (29.1 - 34.5%) -- 99.9% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

The only reason it wouldn't be a 3HKO is because of Softboiled and it only has 16 PP. I could take out all PP with switching to Aqua Tail/Thunder Fang to run its PP down.

 

[Megan]

Tangrowth @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Sleep Powder
- Giga Drain
- Knock Off
- Synthesis


252+ Atk Mega Swampert Ice Punch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Tangrowth: 124-148 (30.7 - 36.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

0 SpA Tangrowth Giga Drain vs. 104 HP / 0 SpD Mega Swampert: 328-388 (89.3 - 105.7%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

 

[faf]

@ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252hp/252def/4spd
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
-Soft-Boiled
-Heal Bell
-Toxic
-Seismic Toss
100 SpA Roserade Leaf Storm vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Blissey: 142-168 (19.8 - 23.5%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery (and have fun with the Sp. Attack drops)

100 SpA Roserade Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Blissey: 99-117 (13.8 - 16.3%) -- possibly the worst move ever


Blissey Seismic Toss vs. 156 HP Roserade: 100-100 (33.3 - 33.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

 

[Nah]

-Lucario w/Life Orb
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
Moves: Close Combat, Swords Dance, Bullet Punch, Crunch

 

[Nah]

Tyranitar w/Choice Scarf
Nature: Jolly
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 Defense
Moves: Stone Edge, Crunch, Earthquake, Ice Beam

4 SpA Moltres Hidden Power Grass vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 70-84 (20.5 - 24.6%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
252 Atk Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Moltres: 516-612 (134.3 - 159.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[Megan]

Quagsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Scald
- Earthquake
- Toxic
- Recover

Why Jolly+Ice Beam?

 

[faf]

Are you ready for the ultimate set ever?

@ Choice Specs
Trait: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252hp/252spa/4spd
IVs: 30spa/30spd
Modest nature (+Sp. Atk, -Atk)
-Energy Ball
-Flash Cannon
-Thunderbolt
-Hidden Power [Ground]

0 Atk Quagsire Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Ferrothorn: 76-90 (21.5 - 25.5%) -- 0.4% chance to 4HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Ferrothorn Energy Ball vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Quagsire: 784-928 (198.9 - 235.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Plus, it's immune to Toxic.


#ChangingTheMeta

 

[rob_thijs]

Hydreigon @ Life Orb
Nature - Timid
Ability - Levitate
EV's - 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
- Dark Pulse
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power

252 SpA Life Orb Hydreigon Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Ferrothorn: 530-629 (150.5 - 178.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Ferrothorn Flash Cannon vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Hydreigon: 91-108 (27.9 - 33.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

Let me see that Fairy Counter -.-

 

[Nah]

Ah dammit if I got here sooner I could've used Specs Machamp against Zinnia's Specs Ferro =(

But for the Hydreigon counter:

EDIT: Shit I forgot to put in moves but now there's moves thanks for pointing that out Zeffy

Clefable w/Life Orb
Nature: Calm
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP, 160 Defense, 96 Sp.Defense
Moves: Moonblast, Flamethrower, Calm Mind, Soft-Boiled

252 SpA Life Orb Hydreigon Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 96+ SpD Clefable: 136-161 (34.5 - 40.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

And Moonblast wrecks.

Why Jolly+Ice Beam?

Guarantees the 2HKO against physically defensive Lando-T/Garchomp/Gliscor, common counters, though Ice Punch is better against Sp.Defensive Gliscor. Suppose I could've ran Ice Punch anyway though.

 

[Zeffy]

Clefable has no moves so anything can counter it lol

Excadrill @Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 SDef
Adamant nature
- Swords Dance
- Iron Head
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide

EDIT: well right after your edit, excadrill is no longer a counter :p

 

[Megan]

Swamper @ Choice Band
EVs: 252 HP / 92 Atk / 160 Def / 4 Spe
Ability: Torrent
Adamant Nature
- Iron Tail
- Waterfall
- Earthquake
- Ice Punch

Clefable:
0 SpA Life Orb Clefable Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Swampert: 140-165 (34.6 - 40.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 0 SpA Life Orb Clefable Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Swampert: 208-247 (51.4 - 61.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

92+ Atk Choice Band Swampert Iron Tail vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Clefable: 296-350 (75.1 - 88.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

4 Spe EVs allow Swampert to outspeed Clefable

Excadrill:
252+ Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Swampert: 169-201 (41.8 - 49.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+2 252+ Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 160 Def Swampert: 339-400 (83.9 - 99%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

92+ Atk Choice Band Swampert Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Excadrill: 632-746 (175 - 206.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO


Mega Swampert would have been a little bit better, but I'm not particularly sure, how megas are handled here. Do you switch in the unevolved Pokemon first and let it mevo in the next turn, or can we just assume that the Pokemon is already mega evolved on the switch in?

It's probably more of a check than it is a counter, but w/e

Also: I hate you two. (not really though <3)